Independence Bowl sets sights on stability

Rose:pac12 vs B10
fiesta:
Cotton:
Sugar:sec vs big12
Peach
Orange:ACCvs
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1 garanteed spot and 6 openings. I see them getting 3 to 4 on a good year.

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Originally Posted by inudesu

Maybe so, but there is a relatively simple solution to that complicated problem.

If ADs didn't like their kick-back cruises so much, they'd realize that collectively they could have the leverage to swing the balance back in the direction of the schools (or even the fans).

I can see why it's nice to know ahead of time roughly what you're going to make on an event as far as setting your budget and helping the children and all, I just don't see why schools agree to let bowls dictate this when all the bowls really offer is a building and an event that each individual school is able to pull off on their own 5-8 times per year.

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This has nothing to do with kickbacks and cruises. Ticket guarantees are a direct result of conferences asking for larger payouts. As we all know the larger the payout, the higher selection a bowl has for their game. So there clearly is a driving factor in all of this.

As well with ticket guarantees, schools also get the assurance that bowl games will not directly market ticket sales in the schools home market. I am open to any suggestions you may have on how to sell tickets to a football game without being able to target the teams fans to buy tickets.

I cannot detect your tone so you are either being sarcastic or you really do not understand that bowl games are more than the games themselves. I will assume you are being sarcastic but still answer your logic. Bowl games are much more than a game. There is typically a week long buildup to each game with special opportunities available for the players and coaches to be a part of. In fact the first bowl game (Rose Bowl for the few that didn't know) actually started as an additional event as part of the Rose Parade.

But apart from that much more work goes into a bowl game than a regular home game. I know you know this unless you honestly thing the hosting the Super Bowl is no different than a regular season game for NFL teams. Regular season games are about your fans. Bowl games are about providing top notch hospitality to all. When you go to a bowl game, you should be treated differently than when you attend a typically game. You are not as much as customer/fan as a guest. From a fan's perspective you might never notice that. Simply because it is really hard to treat 50-80K people as a valued guest. But I can guarantee you that each school's athletic department feels that way. I have heard countless stories from Athletic staff members regarding how the Poinsettie Bowl rolled out the red carpet for us a couple of years ago. That should be the typical treatment. Some bowls are much better than others. The little secret most fans do not know is that those bowls are not always the highest paying bowls. Which brings up another idea that the destination bowl for many schools may not actually be the bowl fans have in mind as they go down the selection order for their confernce. But that is another train of thought.

By the way while schools do put on 5-8 individual games a year, they also do so with a much larger staff than a bowl game. In fact I would be willing to bet that ULM has more athletic department employees than most bowl games out there. Hopefully next year you go to a bowl game you will have a good understanding of how much individual work goes into pulling that "one game" off and actually see the nuances of what makes this game different than anything else all year.

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Originally Posted by dawgs1

One of the largest issues all bowls are dealing with is lack of butts in the seats & intriguing tv matchups. You should tie into a regional conference (for a better power rating & butts) & a power conference for their ability to draw a tv audience. Two 6-6's from power conferences is never going to get the job done. There is intrigue in matching a 9-3 CUSA team vs a 6-6 Tennessee or Miss St. This would be the best scenario for the Indy Bowl...but they are either too proud or too stupid to forge this route. This will be their ultimate demise. They want LSPoo vs Notre Dame every year.

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That's what I was trying to say.

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Originally Posted by GatorDawg

This has nothing to do with kickbacks and cruises. Ticket guarantees are a direct result of conferences asking for larger payouts. As we all know the larger the payout, the higher selection a bowl has for their game. So there clearly is a driving factor in all of this.

As well with ticket guarantees, schools also get the assurance that bowl games will not directly market ticket sales in the schools home market. I am open to any suggestions you may have on how to sell tickets to a football game without being able to target the teams fans to buy tickets.

I cannot detect your tone so you are either being sarcastic or you really do not understand that bowl games are more than the games themselves. I will assume you are being sarcastic but still answer your logic. Bowl games are much more than a game. There is typically a week long buildup to each game with special opportunities available for the players and coaches to be a part of. In fact the first bowl game (Rose Bowl for the few that didn't know) actually started as an additional event as part of the Rose Parade.

But apart from that much more work goes into a bowl game than a regular home game. I know you know this unless you honestly thing the hosting the Super Bowl is no different than a regular season game for NFL teams. Regular season games are about your fans. Bowl games are about providing top notch hospitality to all. When you go to a bowl game, you should be treated differently than when you attend a typically game. You are not as much as customer/fan as a guest. From a fan's perspective you might never notice that. Simply because it is really hard to treat 50-80K people as a valued guest. But I can guarantee you that each school's athletic department feels that way. I have heard countless stories from Athletic staff members regarding how the Poinsettie Bowl rolled out the red carpet for us a couple of years ago. That should be the typical treatment. Some bowls are much better than others. The little secret most fans do not know is that those bowls are not always the highest paying bowls. Which brings up another idea that the destination bowl for many schools may not actually be the bowl fans have in mind as they go down the selection order for their confernce. But that is another train of thought.

By the way while schools do put on 5-8 individual games a year, they also do so with a much larger staff than a bowl game. In fact I would be willing to bet that ULM has more athletic department employees than most bowl games out there. Hopefully next year you go to a bowl game you will have a good understanding of how much individual work goes into pulling that "one game" off and actually see the nuances of what makes this game different than anything else all year.

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Ok. Fine. Somebody has to run down to Best Buy and pick up some gift cards. :icon_wink:

On the other hand, with no teams there are no bowls. So the leverage is still with the teams (collectively), or should be. So no matter how hard it is to host a football game once a year that really treats the athletic staff super nice and buys tickets to the local theme park the schools should still be able to dictate terms.

Obviously there is a logical limit to this. At some point the bowl goes bankrupt and it is more trouble to have bowl groups coming and going every year than to deal with the same people (who already know how to fill out those 501(c)3 forms :) ).

All I am saying (here) is that if the fans kicked back enough, eventually the ADs and Presidents would too. And then ticket guarantees would drop and bowl ticket prices would begin to approach market value.

I like college football. I like bowls. I'm never one to think there should be fewer bowls for example. My point is that for one reason or another*, schools are giving up more than they should in the agreement between stakeholders here.




*That may or may not tangentially involve golf junkets and cruises.

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Originally Posted by champion110

I would rather be a top 25 team and make them wait 2 days and then turn them down.

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In case you didn't get the memo, LaTech is in no position to turn down any bowl invitation, ever.

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Originally Posted by supermel311

In case you didn't get the memo, LaTech is in no position to turn down any bowl invitation, ever.

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A simple-minded response to a very complicated discussion.

Then again, I'd expect nothing more.

In case the NLSC (or whatever) fan hasn't noticed we already did. Also we've now turned down as many as they been invited to.

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Originally Posted by Houston Techsan

In case the NLSC (or whatever) fan hasn't noticed we already did. Also we've now turned down as many as they been invited to.

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And the main thing is....NLU LOST!!!

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Originally Posted by 70TECHGRAD

And the main thing is....NLU LOST!!!

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...more like donkey stomped.

"Re: Independence Bowl sets sights on stability" Are they stable yet, or should Rougedawg start another progress thread?

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Originally Posted by OLDBLUE

"Re: Independence Bowl sets sights on stability" Are they stable yet, or should Rougedawg start another progress thread?

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Not quite yet. The Indy Bowl still has further to fall.

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Originally Posted by supermel311

In case you didn't get the memo, LaTech is in no position to turn down any bowl invitation, ever.

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In case you missed the memo, we've been there... done that.

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Originally Posted by OLDBLUE

"Re: Independence Bowl sets sights on stability" Are they stable yet, or should Rougedawg start another progress thread?

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Yep, they may be in a "stable". If they fall now...it will be into a pile of s_ _ t.

The I-Bowl House Bill is on the agenda of the House Municipal Committee meeting for tomorrow afternoon.

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Originally Posted by TechAlum05

The I-Bowl House Bill is on the agenda of the House Municipal Committee meeting for tomorrow afternoon.

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Sources tell me it is DOA.