Too early for a 2-deep?

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Originally Posted by SixWings

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I don't think there's anything wrong with being a second chance school, as long as the 'candidates' have a very, very short leash. Just look at what Colt Brennan and that WR did at UH. They were both transfers with checkered pasts, right?

These players are kids, and kids can always change. You never know what a second chance combined with a structured, caring, family-style environment can do.

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Second chance is one thing. 4th or 5th is entirely different.

Ross has to feel as comfortable as a long tail cat in a room full of rocking chairs!!!!!!!

We are trying to get, or talking to, QBs all over the place, for this year..........I do not like the Masoli possibility, though I like the BCS transfers we have gotten so far. Masoli has Lawrence Phillips baggage. Not sure the team leader needs to be on the police blotter...........uh, er, sorry RJ.

Bring him on.. Get the kid away from all the trouble he's been in and maybe he gets a chance to turn his life around.. you never know, it's happened before and it'll happen again.. plus he does nothing but help if he straightens his act up.

I just want the pro-masoli people to answer these questions:

1. How many chances do you get?
2. How far is too far too accept in our program?
3. At what point would you throw up your hands and turn down Peyton Manning?

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Originally Posted by FishingBack

I just want the pro-masoli people to answer these questions:

1. How many chances do you get?
2. How far is too far too accept in our program?
3. At what point would you throw up your hands and turn down Peyton Manning?

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depends on your ability (like in everything else)

Like Dwayne said, with 85 scholarships (and, how many of those are we actually using?), you've got a LOT of room for error. If he can't get his stuff straight, you cut your losses and you're done. The only negative is the perception issue. To me, that's not that big of a deal. As fans, we have an irrational view of our public perception anyway. It'd make the crawl on ESPN and be forgotten in 2 weeks...UNLESS the gamble pays off.

You remember all that flack we got for taking Melancon? Me neither.

Rape, Murder, Armed Robbery, Kidnapping, Child Molestation and serious Drug distribution are all offenses for which I wouldn't give a second chance.

Misdemeanor battery, simple possession and prank thefts are all relatively minor offenses for which I would give the right player a second chance with a VERY SHORT leash. Oregon may have given more than one chance to this kid but those were not given by us.

One and only one chance.... he has to be a perfect citizen. I would give him that chance in a heart-beat.

It is obviously his last chance wherever he enrolls. You would have to assume that if he has any sense he will make the best of it.

Meloncon was a prop and had not been arrested multiple times and kicked out of a university.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

depends on your ability (like in everything else)

Like Dwayne said, with 85 scholarships (and, how many of those are we actually using?), you've got a LOT of room for error. If he can't get his stuff straight, you cut your losses and you're done. The only negative is the perception issue. To me, that's not that big of a deal. As fans, we have an irrational view of our public perception anyway. It'd make the crawl on ESPN and be forgotten in 2 weeks...UNLESS the gamble pays off.

You remember all that flack we got for taking Melancon? Me neither.

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Originally Posted by FishingBack

Meloncon was a prop and had not been arrested multiple times and kicked out of a university.

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No, but he had baggage. Since this is the public forum, I'll not rehash some of our other players who've had legal baggage (I'm thinking of one on the football field and one on the basketball court) who were given short leashes and second chances. Both worked out.

I don't mind mentioning Zach Schreiber. He came from bama with some serious baggage and he didn't work out. There was one thread on the ULM board and about a week of news coverage when he was arrested.

It's a risk/reward thing. What we have to lose is small and Masoli's upside is big. Again, if he flops, it'll disappear quickly. If he's a success, we're that good hearted school that gave him a chance.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

No, but he had baggage. Since this is the public forum, I'll not rehash some of our other players who've had legal baggage (I'm thinking of one on the football field and one on the basketball court) who were given short leashes and second chances. Both worked out.

I don't mind mentioning Zach Schreiber. He came from bama with some serious baggage and he didn't work out. There was one thread on the ULM board and about a week of news coverage when he was arrested.

It's a risk/reward thing. What we have to lose is small and Masoli's upside is big. Again, if he flops, it'll disappear quickly. If he's a success, we're that good hearted school that gave him a chance.

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I would offer him a second or maybe even a third chance. Not a 4th, 5th, or more.

None of those players were as public as Masoli in their offenses. Honestly, none of them were 1/100th as public. This is the guy that single handily destroyed USC. Everyone knows who he is, and everyone knows he got kicked out of school.

You cannot compare this to Lando or Schreiber.

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Originally Posted by FishingBack

I would offer him a second or maybe even a third chance. Not a 4th, 5th, or more.

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What's the magic dividing line between 3rd and 4th? And, WE haven't given him any chances. If he comes to Tech, I'm certain it would be his first and ONLY chance.

Again, what do we have to lose?

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Originally Posted by CChandler

None of those players were as public as Masoli in their offenses. Honestly, none of them were 1/100th as public. This is the guy that single handily destroyed USC. Everyone knows who he is, and everyone knows he got kicked out of school.

You cannot compare this to Lando or Schreiber.

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Why not? Were his thefts more heinous than Schreibers? We already know he would likely be the only Tech athlete to have had a substance issue, but I think we could get past that.

I just don't see the media back-lash being as harsh as some here seem to. As far as his ability, that's WHY he gets a shot when a 4th string linebacker does not.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

What's the magic dividing line between 3rd and 4th? And, WE haven't given him any chances. If he comes to Tech, I'm certain it would be his first and ONLY chance.

Again, what do we have to lose?

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National reputation, especially if he does something high-profile here. There are espn blogs and such wondering what program is dumb enough to take him.

The magical line is just my opinion. What's yours?

Lets say he had 7 arrests and was kicked out of one school.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

Why not? Were his thefts more heinous than Schreibers? We already know he would likely be the only Tech athlete to have had a substance issue, but I think we could get past that.

I just don't see the media back-lash being as harsh as some here seem to. As far as his ability, that's WHY he gets a shot when a 4th string linebacker does not.

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We get 'how stupid is Louisiana Tech?' talking points brought up on PTI and First Take if we take Masoli. Taking everyone else mentioned isn't a blip on the state radar, much less the national one. There's a lot to lose.

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Originally Posted by CChandler

We get 'how stupid is Louisiana Tech?' talking points brought up on PTI and First Take if we take Masoli. Taking everyone else mentioned isn't a blip on the state radar, much less the national one. There's a lot to lose.

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And a TON to gain.