Hopefully, he can get his message out beyond just preaching to the choir. No one in that room disagrees with him.
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Hopefully, he can get his message out beyond just preaching to the choir. No one in that room disagrees with him.
Agree. Many people are pushing back against this nonsense. It's gaining momentum..enough that even Obama had to claim it was a "right wing conspiracy".. hopefully it continues..Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
i know i'm a little late on this, but there really hasn't been much valuable discussion since this comment. it's interesting that you call it a strawman, when you yourself have made comments (maybe even on this thread) that led me to believe that was your position (also, i like how you use "critics of systemic racism" to describe crt-mongers -- very blm of you). maybe you can clarify your position and disabuse us of our misperception: how will we know when systemic racism is finally over? what will be the proof that we finally have racial equality?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Not everyone should have the same outcomes, but you shouldn’t see significant differences when you aggregate all results for whites vs blacks. Differences at this macro level do justify critical evaluation and rectification.Quote:
Originally Posted by arkansasbob
The strawman is to take the macro argument and pretend that critics of systemic racism must explain each difference of outcome at the individual level.
so we're just talking semantics, then. in your opinion is it racist to think that individual differences could account for differences in the aggregate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Racist to think that? Where do you get that?Quote:
Originally Posted by arkansasbob
It is a law of averages type of thing. Each case is unique, but when you look at outcomes in a sufficiently large enough group, as an aggregate, the individual differences shouldn’t matter - they average out - so if there is a difference between the races it must come down to some factor that is biasing the outcomes in the aggregate.
The one thing that no one talks about with regard to differences in equality or outcomes, especially between whites and blacks and other races is the fact that 70%+ of black women have children out of wedlock and the fathers are usually not involved in the kids lives at all. BLM has stated in its charter that they are against the nuclear family? Why? It has been proven over and over that children who have two parents in their lives are much likely to be successful than those who don't. I'm sorry but systemic racism has nothing to do with a man choosing not to step up and be a dad.
My experience is anecdotal, but that’s not the case in the black fathers I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
But, my question (I’ll concede your figure for the moment) is why do you think that’s the case?
Lol. No one talks about it? Are you joking? We have that discussion every year here.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
Why don’t blacks form a nuclear family as often? Is it because of the perception that there is a high likelihood that a black man will be incarcerated at some point in his lifetime?
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/Llgsfp.pdf
Forget BLM.org. Literally no one supports that organization here.
https://voxeu.org/article/incarcerat...arriage-gap-usQuote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
It is just a cycle. Systemic racism begets more systemic racism. Incarceration/unemployment begets loss of nuclear family which begets worse outcomes and recycle.
So not having to take personal responsibility for one's own actions or behavior is systemic racism.. got it. Guy gets a girl pregnant and chooses not to be a dad because he "may" end up in prison... That's a BS excuse..
Nobody said that (which makes it a, you guessed it! Straw man!)…and you didn’t answer my question.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
Sorry Johnny, I skipped over your post. I don't know why black men choose not to be involved in their kids lives.. they don't want to be bothered? My son in law is black.. he's a great dad and father to my grand daughter. His dad.. is on his 3rd marriage.. wasn't really involved in my son in law's life growing up. He is a "player", and lives a lifestyle well beyond his means. My son in law has done mission work in India, we all attend church together as a family, and he thinks CRT is stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Goosey said that a black man may not get married because statistics say he may go to jail at some point in his lifetime..
Why don’t blacks form a nuclear family as often? Is it because of the perception that there is a high likelihood that a black man will be incarcerated at some point in his lifetime?
He's just reading the script he was given.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
The segregated black church is a problem. Nobody will touch that one, but it is a large part of the problem.
i get it straight from the mouths and keyboards of other "critics of systemic racism", but let's leave that aside for a moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
you claim it is a strawman to suggest that "critics of systemic racism" advocate for equal outcomes for everyone. this itself is a strawman when you define it the way you have. you changed your opponents position just enough to make it false. in truth they are criticizing exactly the opinions you have expressed on this thread -- the "equal outcomes on the aggregate" argument.
i (and many others who are not afraid of being bullied by "critics of systemic racism") fail to see the logical connections that you seem to think are so self-evident. maybe you can walk us through step by step so we can see what we're missing?