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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Props for using the Marxist "bourgeois" analogy. :thumbsup: That is a classic Marx argument.

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Typical nonsense from somebody who should know better.:bigcry:

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Originally Posted by saltydawg

I'm not suggesting anything. Just asking our highly trained scientists and engineers to figure out what would be the average global temperature if the atmosphere had no CO2 in it. The answer can be with or without figuring the feedback from the other greenhouse gases. Guiesslapp, you might want to try your hand at it since you seem to possess above average intelligence.

The current average global temperature is about 54F.

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Ah, so you did find the average global temperature!

Congrats.

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Originally Posted by saltydawg

^ BillPup, with your high education in Engineering, do you think you are capable of figuring out what the
Earth's average global temperature would be if all CO2 were eleiminated from the atmosphere? After all, it's a 2nd year college question.

I asked our scientist buddy to do it but so far no respond.

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Salty...............

I have stated numerous times on here that there is no such thing as an"average global temperature". Temperature ia an intensive property which cannot be simply averaged either in space or in time. There is a temerature field which can depict large temperature gradients within a relatively small spatial realm and our earth is full of just such scenarios.

No, I am not capable of figuring out what an average global temperature is under any condition, for just the reasons I've cited above. If all CO2 was removed from the atmosphere, none of us would survive for very long, since CO2 is as essential for all plant life as oxygen is for us. Without CO2 we would have nothing to eat except ourselves.

As for the simple 2nd year college remark, since you think it's so simple why don't you tell us?????

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Originally Posted by 9701Dawg

Ah, so you did find the average global temperature!

Congrats.

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I was trying to help Bill Pup or randerizer. Anyway, the average global temperature (in 2004) was about 58F, not 54F.

And going up.

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Originally Posted by Bill Pup60

Salty...............


As for the simple 2nd year college remark, since you think it's so simple why don't you tell us?????

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And show your "math."

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

And show your "math."

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You need to exercise your little gray cells. And show your math.

Remember, I asked you first.

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Originally Posted by Bill Pup60

Salty...............

I have stated numerous times on here that there is no such thing as an"average global temperature". Temperature ia an intensive property which cannot be simply averaged either in space or in time. There is a temerature field which can depict large temperature gradients within a relatively small spatial realm and our earth is full of just such scenarios.

No, I am not capable of figuring out what an average global temperature is under any condition, for just the reasons I've cited above. If all CO2 was removed from the atmosphere, none of us would survive for very long, since CO2 is as essential for all plant life as oxygen is for us. Without CO2 we would have nothing to eat except ourselves.

As for the simple 2nd year college remark, since you think it's so simple why don't you tell us?????

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Hey, Bill, you don't have to make up weird story about "temperature gradiants." :D

Besides, it is a scientific exercise designed to test your knowledge of atmospheric physics of global warming.

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Originally Posted by saltydawg

You need to exercise your little gray cells. And show your math.

Remember, I asked you first.

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Anyway, I'm driving out to Las Vegas for a couple of weeks tomorrow. If none of you "whiz kids" can or won't do it, then I guess I will when I get back.

Still hoping that randerizer can do it.

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Originally Posted by saltydawg

Hey, Bill, you don't have to make up weird story about "temperature gradiants." :D

Besides, it is a scientific exercise designed to test your knowledge of atmospheric physics of global warming.

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Well, Salty, temperature field gradients (pay more attention to the spelling next time) are not weird. What's weird is the entire concept of an average global temperature.

My knowledge of atmospheric global warming doesn't need testing, especially by you!!!!! If you want to go back and read all my posts on this subject you will see that I have never claimed to be an expert on climatology as a whole. What I have pointed out on numerous posts is that there are serious problems with how the very basic data has been manipulated to form the basis for subsequent work by other ( probably very well meaning) scientists
who assume what they are working with is "accurate."

What I do have a fairly high level of expertise in is the mathematical simulation of multi dimensional thermodynamic systems on computers using discretized finite difference techniques. It is based on this background and my personal contacts with some of the IPCC modelers that I comment on the complete lack of true scientific validation of most of the crap that is being spewed by the likes of Al Gore and you!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by saltydawg

Anyway, I'm driving out to Las Vegas for a couple of weeks tomorrow. If none of you "whiz kids" can or won't do it, then I guess I will when I get back.

Still hoping that randerizer can do it.

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Well Salty, we're going to hold you to it when you get back from Vegas. BTW, why don't you just write down some of the dice results you get out there. that data will probably be just as good as some of the stuff currently parading as absolute "proof" of GW.

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Originally Posted by Bill Pup60

Well Salty, we're going to hold you to it when you get back from Vegas. BTW, why don't you just write down some of the dice results you get out there. that data will probably be just as good as some of the stuff currently parading as absolute "proof" of GW.

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"average global temperature" is not weird.

Anyway, you can sleep easy tonight knowing that all the fossil fuels you helped produced are not wrecking our environment. (j/k).

Do you dream of oil piplines gushing "black gold"? Do you get light-headed when you drive pass a gas station?

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Originally Posted by saltydawg

"average global temperature" is not weird.

Anyway, you can sleep easy tonight knowing that all the fossil fuels you helped produced are not wrecking our environment. (j/k).

Do you dream of oil piplines gushing "black gold"? Do you get light-headed when you drive pass a gas station?

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I think distillation columns are a beautiful sight. I love driving through the Deer Park/Pasadena area of Houston.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

I think distillation columns are a beautiful sight. I love driving through the Deer Park/Pasadena area of Houston.

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me too

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

I think distillation columns are a beautiful sight. I love driving through the Deer Park/Pasadena area of Houston.

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Exactly, I'd love to be down there.

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Originally Posted by 9701Dawg

Exactly, I'd love to be down there.

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Yeah, It's especially exhilirating to see the white clouds of steam rising away from the reformers. Oh wait........ steam??? .......... isn't that WATER VAPOR??? Oh and since water vapor is 95% of "greenhouse" gases we better not add any more. Sorry about that , Salty.

Anyway, Salty, enjoy Vegas. You seem to like being in make believe land anyway!!!!!