Covid - 19

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Originally Posted by dawg80

The NIH does not offer a recommendation for or against the use. It states "patients being treated with HCQ for C-19 treatment should be monitored." Ya think!?

Now, "the panel" did issue a recommendation against the use of HCQ. The panel is composed of pharma-funded researchers. Hello! you think they are going to recommend a generic drug that won't make their sponsors $mega-millions!? Hell no!

It's also disingenuous to say there have been no "clinical studies." There haven't been in the truest definition of the term, because, obviously, there hasn't been time nor the luxury of a non-emergency environment of setting up a "clinical study." But! such as the 1,000-patient study conducted in France, with incredible results, and now over 400 other "studies" to create a volume of data that can be analyzed. Some of these "studies" are better than others. One study I glanced at, listed on the NIH website, treated just 19 patients, all hand-picked as to demographic stats (age, etc...). Obviously very limited, but it did have "positive" results for that "test" group. By itself it doesn't mean much of anything. Taken with the overall results from the other 400+ "studies" it contributes to the consensus that there is something to the use of HCQ for the treatment of C-19.

BTW, that French doctor who spearheaded the 1,000-patient study wrote a stinging rebuttal of the VA "study." Perhaps not surprisingly, given his self-professed position on the matter. But his rebuttal does include a scientific analysis of the VA report and why it should be disregarded. I glanced at it, but such medical terminology and scientific methodology is above my pay-grade.

For me...IDK. I, at first, accepted at face value the VA "study." I had no reason not to. I even defended its results by offering even if it fell short of a "study" it was still an observation of some results and should be included in the wealth of information being gathered. Then I saw a whole lot more about it and now think the methodology was skewed toward "making" HCQ fail as a treatment for C-19.

I still don't "know" much. None of us do. Even those actively engaged in the research don't know as much as they need to, and will know, eventually.

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Maybe you didn’t read this part of the link:

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Except in the context of a clinical trial, the COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel (the Panel) recommends against the use of the following drugs for the treatment of COVID-19:
The combination of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin (AIII) because of the potential for toxicities.

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It literally says it recommends against it unless you are part of a clinical trial. Just like I said.

Literally, what I posted "the panel" which has ulterior motives. Thanks for helping to make my point.

And there are many good reasons why no one puts much stock in the French study (extreme selection bias and failure to follow the study’s own procedures) or the opinions of Didier Raoult (which are outside of the scientific mainstream on many other issues).

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Literally, what I posted "the panel" which has ulterior motives. Thanks for helping to make my point.

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What is the panel’s ulterior motive?

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Originally Posted by MoonPieBlue

Here's the CDC data by percent. If I'm calculating correctly, Louisiana data shows 93% > 49 and and CDC data 91.7% > 54 (probably very similar results). CDC shows 78.9% for >64, Louisiana 83% >59, and New York 72.3% > 64 (Louisiana and CDC again very similar, New York not as many >64).

Closest we can compare 70+ is CDC >74 at 57.1%, Louisiana 70+ at 64%, and New York 47.7% at 75+ (if we had the same age breakdown I'd guess the numbers would be very close for 70+).

Age range	Deaths	% of Total
<1	0	0.0%
1-4	2	0.0%
5-14	1	0.0%
15-24	21	0.1%
25-34	162	0.8%
35-44	423	2.0%
45-54	1129	5.4%
55-64	2712	12.9%
65-74	4574	21.7%
75-84	5801	27.6%
85+	6225	29.6%

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If you just assume half of the 65-74 age group is above 70 you get almost about 68% which tracks very closely with the Louisiana Data.

I see some of you are still arguing with the smartest guy in the room...you won't learn anything of value from him and you can't teach him anything...it's a complete waste of time because he's convinced you are lemmings!

Remdesivir apparently flopped in its China trial.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

There is so much I can rebut in this post. And will, over time. For now, I will focus in on just one point: "he creates crisis." Only for those who want to destroy this country in favor of their one-world globalist desire.

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Originally Posted by CARTEK

I see some of you are still arguing with the smartest guy in the room...you won't learn anything of value from him and you can't teach him anything...it's a complete waste of time because he's convinced you are lemmings!

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one-world globalist desires...

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

What is the panel’s ulterior motive?

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$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Originally Posted by dawg80

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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For whom?

:laugh:

I know you are not so naïve. Are ya...?

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Originally Posted by dawg80

:laugh:

I know you are not so naïve. Are ya...?

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I guess you don’t have a real answer or logical explanation?

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

one-world globalist desires...

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http://www.gondwana-collection.com/b...n-foil_300.jpg

Sweden to reach herd immunity very soon.

Its neighbors closed borders, schools, bars and businesses as the coronavirus pandemic swept through Europe, but Sweden went against the grain by keeping public life as unrestricted as possible.
The strategy — aimed at allowing some exposure to the virus in order to build immunity among the general population while protecting high-risk groups like the elderly — has been controversial. Some health experts liken it to playing Russian roulette with public health.


But now, the country’s chief epidemiologist said the strategy appears to be working and that “herd immunity” could be reached in the capital Stockholm in a matter of weeks


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-l...-in-weeks.html

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

I didn’t say it pleases me, but you have already admitted to taking pleasure in other’s grief. So wouldn’t that make you have a sick and F’d up brain?

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Oh, there's a difference. If you took a finger on each hand and put it into each ear, you'd be pointing with both fingers at the source of your grief. That's quite different than this virus.

I knew you'd go there because of your narcissism, because I knew you'd equate your inability to accept that anything exists outside of yourself with the physical pain and death of others.