Be interesting to see what they say about April!!! Here in PA the local "experts" are saying it -- so far -- is the coldest on record!
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Be interesting to see what they say about April!!! Here in PA the local "experts" are saying it -- so far -- is the coldest on record!
The NOAA will release a report saying that the month of April is the second hottest on record. The body of the text will then say that they were looking at April 1-6, and 18-30. April 7-16 will be omitted because the data is not good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Pup60
LOL. Pretty weak. NOAA, to date, hasnt offered any opinion on GW. Just the facts on temps. Sorry if you cant handle that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Getting pretty desperate when you start questioning average temps. Even us non "scientists" can add and divide.
Average global/hemispheric temperature is a pseudoscience highly susceptible to manipulation.Quote:
Originally Posted by altadawg
many a well-intentioned scientist has fallen victim to the fallacy of over-simplification.Quote:
Originally Posted by altadawg
LOL. Are you really that misguided/brainwashed/stupid? Its an absolute temp, taken once an hour, 3 feet off the ground in shade. The spot never moves. It is taken every 15 minutes(in some cases once a 1/2 hr or per hr) for 24 hours, 365 days a year, year after year after year!Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Period. I realize you want to sound "scientific", but your quote above clearly demonstrates your ignorance on the subject. Try again, doc.
And nonscientists, right, Salty?Quote:
Originally Posted by arkansasbob
Where is THIS SPOT?Quote:
Originally Posted by altadawg
All that data tells us is average temp for that spot. Can be many, many reasons why THAT SPOT experiences fluctuations in temps, which do not mirror nor reflect changes elsewhere.
Really? Just ONE spot? Wow! That doesn't even begin to measure up....well, in fact the sampling error alone would render that data....trying to find a word that means like "a gazillion things wrong."
That can't be right. Probably there are thousands of such SPOTS worldwide where temps are being monitored. Even 1,000 spots would have a HUGE sampling error. So, it's probably 10s of thousands of spots.
How many data points to they take out in the West where cities are remote? How close are these data points to urban centers (and thus influenced by the urban heat effect)? Are cities expanding closer to these measurement SPOTS so as to expose the SPOTS to a greater amount of the urban heat effect over time? How many temperature spots do they have for the oceans? What about at different elevations (including in the Rockies)? How do you account for "elevation" factors? If the measurement spots are not equidistant from each other, how is "averaging" taking into account the distance between measurement spots? When you receive all this data, how do you determine which of the data is good and which data is misreported?Quote:
Originally Posted by altadawg
These questions barely scratch the surface of the problems of determining an average global/hemispheric temperature. Are YOU really that misguided/brainwashed/stupid? Are YOU the one trying to sound scientific?
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Could it be that the April 7-16 "missing data" was just too cold to fit the desired outcome??????Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Wow! Exactly where is this magic "spot" that never moves??Quote:
Originally Posted by altadawg
In 1970 there were about 15,000 surface measuring stations. Many have been discarded and fallen into disrepair. By 2000, the number had fallen to less than 5000. Most remaining ones ae in highly populated urban areas. Most of those lost were in rural areas. Under the best of conditions the surface coverage is very spotty and very clustered.
There is no "magic" place to record an average temperature for the earth. And there is no way to accurately CALCULATE an "average global temperature."
Alta, please go back and read my post of April 10 (#1556) in this thread and get a grip on just how sparsely deficient our measuring systems really are.
Bill I don't confuse us with facts. Algore and Hollywood say the numbers are good.
If we could just figure out a way to control the animal farts...
Maddawg, you talking about me and my high fiber diet?