It's not about disagreeing with me, it's about the damage y'all did to the program, irrationally. It was just as insane as what the Cajuns are going through now.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
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It's not about disagreeing with me, it's about the damage y'all did to the program, irrationally. It was just as insane as what the Cajuns are going through now.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
How did a group of fans on a fan board damage a program?Quote:
Originally Posted by T1
There are numerous ex-players and coaches on here and I think to a person they would argue against that fact till their faces turned blue...
And I would like to take it a step further - the good this board does as far as connecting fans to the program through donations, ticket sales and program growth far out weighs any perceived damage you and certain other's think it might cause
$50k+ in direct donations and counting
And not a dime is going in any of the administrators or moderators pockets
Think about that...
Just a sampling from the "Fire Holtz" thread from last year: Would a sane person run out and buy season tickets to see this team next year:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
Should have never hired this guy. If you can't win in the Big East and you're coaching a school in Florida, you can't win period. (Dawgtired)
I'm done wasting time on this team until he is gone. No need to watch the crapfest he has produced. I don't see it getting any better until he is gone. (Salvatore Asante)
Maybe he'll have some pride and RETIRE! (markay714)
Can we hire Doug Williams? Omg. Still better than holtz. (1962DAWG)
...in a few years, our program could well be dead. Teams like Tech don't have years for evaluations. We made a bad hire. We needed someone young, hungry, and skilled. We got someone who is none of those things. The only way to rectify this situation is to act decisively and quickly. (johnnylightnin)
Not sure why they hired this guy, I mean what has he done to deserve this position?????? I played under Bick so I can only imagine what is happening behind the scene. I really feel bad for those players…. I don't believe Holtz is the right coach to lead this program. Just my honest opinion. (T.Alexander32)
He will get two years, but my guess is that 6 wins maybe in those 2 years combined...It was a bad hire from the get go…. If its me calling the shots I sell one more home game and buy him out at the end of the year. (Dwayne From Minden)
I like this plan! (HogDawg)
When we finish how I think we will finish (3-9 at best, probably 2-10), he should be fired. When that happens, I'm confident in knowing Skip isn't the guy for the job. As somebody said, cut our losses! When it happens and it will. (touchdown123)
You don't have to give him a couple of years when you gave him, arguably, the easiest schedule in FBS. (Brian96)
I am in the camp with those who feel we don't need to waste any more time. His ceiling seems like most coaches basement. (techman05)
I just don't understand the enablers. The people that say, "stop complaining" or "give him time," despite the fact that Skip Holtz is a proven loser. (Cory)
We may have him for the rest of the year if we lose tonight, but if we lose, he is a goner and won't be back for next year. (maddawg)
Losers find ways to lose and winners find ways to win. (Dwayne From Minden)
I'm sick of all the lame and inaccurate excuses. Skip is responsible for this crappy product. We need to get rid of him as soon as the team gets back from losing to UTSA. Things aren't gonna get better under Skip. (Dawg06)
I would be very happy if Holtz is fired Monday. This guy is clueless. (RougeDawg)
Don't wait. Fire him now. Doug Williams would probably fill in for free until we hire a new coach. Doug might do a terrible job but at least it would be an improvement. (LTUIronDawg)
We have to fire Holtz at the end of the season. If we keep Holtz we will probably lose a lot of our recruits because Holtz is so shitty. Why would any recruit want to come here with Holtz coaching us? (upsetpuppydog)
For the record, I'm on the bandwagon. (LATechBanjo)
We need a different kind of coach than skip to be successful. (cscollis)
Don't bring logical thought into this discussion, it will confuse the holtz backer. yes, there is only 1 now..... (Geaux Dawgs)
Is he FIRED yet? (T.Alexander32)
For it to happen now, I think our only option is to force him to quit. (Bill Brasky)
Is he FIRED yet? (HogDawg)
Snake oil. We bought a truckload. (Mildawg)
Fire Holtz or we are going to get our asses kicked by ULL on the field next year and in recruiting. (upsetpuppydog)
So you like Holtz, "3 yards and a cloud of dust" scheme? That's not what he said he would do when he was hired? (maddawg)
I'm just very disappointed going into next year, because I know Holtz will get another year, and I just don't see how we can change our talent enough to be competitive in a one year time span. (SWarner63)
This crap is not going to get better. The only question is how long will it take before we admit our mistake? (Tech77)
I do not think Holtz should be allowed to finish out this season. Fire him tonight. (BuzDawg73)
Do it, Dr. Guice. I'm begging ya (EJ)
Skip Holtz is a horrible fit for LA Tech. He's completely killing our once proud football program. (HogDawg)
Mr AD please relieve us of another year of this misery and send Holtz back to where we found him - playing golf. (BruceWillisDawg)
Holltz is screwing up la tech football as bad as Obama is doing to America. Both are unacceptable. (cscollis)
Pull the trigger… Stop the bleeding. (EJ)
....Have we FIRED Skip Holtz yet? (HogDawg)
The worst part of watching this year is knowing we will not make a change and we will endure at least 1 more year of the same. Even if they make a change after next year, it will be too late. Your man has truly sucked the life out of this program- all in one short year. (Cal&Ken)
Skip Holtz couldn't motivate a fat kid to eat a free twinkie, much less figure out how to inspire a football team to win. (DogsWin)
I bought a Powerball ticket for this. If I win, I am giving Tech 2 million dollars to fire Holtz and 10 million to hire someone good. (Geaux Dawgs)
You have a far better chance of winning the lotto than Holtz has of magically becoming a good coach. (Blue Dawg)
Fire this clown. We will not regret it. (touchdown123)
We still haven't heard a vote of confidence from Guice or McClelland so there is still hope that Holtz gets fired! (Dawg06)
This guys sucks and he's killing the program. A boycott should be staged. Don't give another dime until T-Mac and LG give Skip the pink slip. (Bill Brasky)
Would love to see the Holtz video changed up...Holtz:"Guess what day it is!"....cut to T-Mac..."PINK SLIP DAY".......Whoop Whoop (1962Dawg)
Has this clown been fired yet? (StrongBad)
Check back next year. (Goose)
The guy is ultra conservative and freezes up in tough situations. He can't coach. (maddawg)
If we get the same season next year, he should be fired. It's him. We should see improvement with a year in the systems and more experienced players. (T1)
2 year evaluation process is over rated. (maddawg)
For the life of me I can't understand why anyone would pay any attention to T1's nonsense. Without a coaching change, the LA Tech program is in for a terrible period. In fact, it could get so bad that it finally kills our program. (HogDawg)
skippy sucks! Next year is equally predictable, skippy, and thus Tech, will suck again.
"Latech we have great coach so don't tell me we need new coach cause ima tell u we need new support!" (Kenneth Dixon)
KD has taken too many blows to the head (dawg80)
And a 19-yr old Kenneth Dixon is such an expert on coaches, right? (HogDawg)
We had no offense because we had no direction from the top from the get go - (Dwayne From Minden)
Once again - it is the modern day water coolerQuote:
Originally Posted by T1
Nothing different than anything that wasn't repeated at the barbershop, water cooler or at church the next Sunday morning
WE DO NOT MODERATE people's thoughts or curtail their expressions if they differ from someone else's or ours
That was our MAIN founding principle - like it or not
With the good comes the bad and with the bad comes the good
it's called the ebb and flow of life
And it's a hobby - nothing more or nothing less
Well it was "Cajun talk" none the less and did NOTHING positive for this program.
It's definitely about disagreeing with you (as evidenced by your weekly "I told you so" posts). And while I was upset with Holtz, I upped my LTAC contribution. You say I damaged the program...I say that's bull and you can't show anything that indicates the contrary. And, through it all, it was never personal. I never personally attacked you or anyone else who disagreed with me. At the first sign you might've found the proverbial nut, you started the personal attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by T1
And a point could be made that the program did NOTHING positive for the fans last year now did it?Quote:
Originally Posted by T1
And it will turn again sooner or later in all programs for the better, but more than often the worse...
I feel sorry for whoever has to follow Mike White - he will probably be crucified if he only wins 20 ballgames his first year
What gets me is that a lot of y'all want us to do as moderators/administrators EXACTLY what you accuse others of doing - trying to bully and control what people say and think
If someone says something you disagree with it its NOT ok - but if someone says something you agree with its ok - there is no room for anything else
Some people like catsup - some ketchup
I know I'm about tired of it - why folks can't have two different opposing points of view is beyond me - what happens if Skip loses 3 of his next 4? or wins 6 of the next 7? which ever case happens there are going to be differing opinions one way or another and THAT IS WHY THIS BOARD IS HERE and to raise and give TECH ATHLETICS alittle bit of money along the way
Sorry JL, I should not have told you to STFU. I apologize again.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I have not offered to eat my crow yet. I was quoted in that collection. I am excited for the effort our team has put out there. The evidence so far has shown we will beat teams with inferior QB play. When we beat teams that can move the ball and finish drives against our first team, I will be ready to convert. I will eat my crow when I am convinced it's not our competition, but it's us.
I'm not saying don't speak your mind, but last year this board made our fan base look ridiculous... like the Cajuns look now. But hey... I think the Cajuns believed y'all and took Skip for granted and he made them look like fools, so GOOD WORK guys!! :)
FACT- In 2013 (against arguably the easiest Div 1/FBS schedule in LA Tech's history) our football team grossly underachieved and finished with a shockingly deplorable 4-8 record. Longtime, solid Tech fans actually quit coming to Tech games to watch the underperformance.
FACT- In 2014 (against a harder schedule than 2013) our football team has performed remarkably well through it's first 3 games. If we finish the regular season with an 8-4 record there will be as much praise for the coaching staff and players as there was criticism last year.
I think most people understand this. Perhaps we should all MOVE ON & ENJOY 2014 vs continuing to relive the MASSIVE DISAPPOINTMENT that was 2013!
We have just beaten two teams that appear to have been awful and lost to a top 10 team. We actually put more points on the board agains OU than Tennessee did. One of the teams we beat just got beat down by a pretty good Ole Miss team about as bad as we beat them. I am not saying either team was great but maybe it was because of our play. They were favored. Except for the trash scores we did as well or better against NTU as Texas and Texas played UCLA pretty close.
Hopefully our first team will prevent other teams from finishing drives. If we can't stop the other team we will probably lose so techman05 will wait until we lose before he decides we aren't any good. He only has to wait two weeks until we play Auburn.
Frankly, I couldn't care less what you say or think about me on this topic, but don't apologize one week and then do the exact same thing the next. That's disingenuous. Address the rest of the post. Why is this personal for you? How has the program been hurt? Who did the board look ridiculous to? It's well noted that you thought it was ridiculous. Who else?Quote:
Originally Posted by T1
As much as that "other" board likes to talk about the personal attacks that take place here, I think it's funny that, lately, those attacks have been coming from one of their own.
It is personal to me because I was made to feel like a fool last year since I wasn't part of the group who thought it was all Holtz's fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
The program was hurt by people saying "if we don't fire him now, we will inevitably suck next year and the next and no one will join LTAC and no one will buy season tickets" and "I'm not giving one dime to the program until Holtz is fired." I've heard it said on here that LTAC and season ticket sales are indeed down this year.
The board looked ridiculous to everyone outside of Tech. Go read the CUSA boards last preseason. They were all saying Tech would not be good because we lost too much from the 2012 team. Y'all looked ridiculous to me because I was seeing an OL that was getting dominated, 2 QB's who weren't very good, and a bunch of possession receivers who couldn't stretch the field, and all y'all saw was "conservative play-calling" and "our head coach is a loser and that's why we are losing."
I'm not attacking anyone JL. I told you "good, now stfu" after you said you were happy with our performance because all I heard from you in the past 12 months was that our only option was to fire Holtz because he was the wrong hire for us. I got tired of hearing it. I should have been nicer about that.