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Damn! Maybe there is some middle ground with you. Trump did not create this crisis, but he hasn’t led. What this country needs right now are leaders, not politicians. Trump has not led through this crisis, he has deferred to others. We haven’t had a true leader in this country in a long time....The only way through this is to face it. You can’t defer to Dr.’s and Governors when the shit hits the fan. Make no mistake there will be casualties...Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
So, if the NY numbers prove to be consistent, across the country, it appears that 21% of the population has been infected with C-19. If that holds it will match the exact number of the 2009-2010 Swine Flu epidemic when 61 million Americans were infected with that flu. That would also greatly lower the death rate down closer to regular flu outbreaks. Interesting.
Trump hasn't led? He has deferred to others? Ya mean like medical experts? Ya mean to governors who wanted to lead in their own states, i.e. decide about level of lockdown, etc? You can't defer to doctors and governors when the shit hits the fan? So....you want the POTUS, whoever it might be, to act as a dictator and as a medical expert and unilaterally make ALL decisions??? Are you for real?Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle2180
The NY numbers should be much higher than the rest of he country.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
I've suspected for several days that Louisiana is not fully reporting all the data and our numbers are skewed. Our governor... No need to treat the rest of the state like Orleans/Jefferson.
From USAToday
ALBANY, N.Y. – New York may have 13.9% of its population infected with coronavirus, meaning 2.7 million residents could have had the virus, preliminary state results Thursday showed.New York heath officials conducted an antibody test of a sample of 3,000 people in recent days. The immediate results, released Thursday, suggested a death rate of about 0.5% of those infected because about 15,500 New Yorkers have died of confirmed COVID-19 cases.
If this is true, the mortality rate for this goes through the floor.
That number isn’t representative because they were only testing people that were out and about at stores. This skews the numbers towards people whose behavior puts them at greater risk of transmission. Doesn’t include those that are bunkering.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
But it is kind of a double edge sword - if the disease has lower mortality, then it has much higher transmissibility. This means herd immunity, if possible, would require a higher percentage of the population to get it.
Mortality rate of the flu goes underground if you count the asymptomatic.
What do you mean by there is “no need to treat the rest of the state like Orleans/Jefferson”?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
I agree that NYC and NOLA have higher infection rates.
Population density alone would put them much higher than the rest of the country. I don't think you can use those numbers an assume the whole country is similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
I mean that the "re-start" guidelines for other areas of the state should not be as stringent as those south of I-10 and in the Orleans/Jefferson area in particular.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The more dense the area, the more potential for spread right? My point is/was that less dense areas should not be treated like those...Ruston should be able to move back to normal faster than some of the higher density areas. Most of which are south of I-10 and even more dense in and around New Orleans.Quote:
Originally Posted by detltu
It all depends on the communities ability to test, which is still inadequate. That is the limiting factor right now, even though the guidelines suggest seeing decreasing case counts over 14 day period as well. Places like Ruston are still increasing.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
In Caddo Parrish we have problems with certain areas not following the guide lines and surprise they are the hot spots. The problem is the mobility so your chances of exposure can’t be sure of being relatively safe anywhere. I could see a parish by parish guidelines but all that would do is have people go to the less restrictive area . I just hope we don’t get a second wave as occurred in 1918. From September through November of 1918, the death rate from the Spanish flu skyrocketed. In the United States alone, 195,000 Americans died from the Spanish flu in just the month of October. And unlike a normal seasonal flu, which mostly claims victims among the very young and very old, the second wave of the Spanish flu exhibited what’s called a “W curve”—high numbers of deaths among the young and old, but also a huge spike in the middle composed of otherwise healthy 25- to 35-year-olds in the prime of their life.
DeBlasio says he wants to have a ticker tape parade for healthcare workers. I don't think he said exactly when, but the mere mention of it brought a wave of criticism recalling the premature "celebration" parade in NYC in 1918. Tens of thousands of parade goers were swept into the Spanish Flu 2nd wave, which was worst than the first wave.Quote:
Originally Posted by tech70
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/24/coro...-concerns.htmlQuote:
Citing a “primary outcome” of death, researchers cut short a study testing anti-malaria drug chloroquine as a potential treatment for Covid-19 after some patients developed irregular heart rates and nearly two dozen of them died after taking doses of the drug daily.
The mantra about wearing a mask to keep from getting sick or to keep from getting others sick is annoying. So many people are buying into that BS and are offended when they even see somebody not wearing a make-shift bandanna mask. SOS with the gloves. Yeah, put on a fresh pair every time you pick up an avocado to feel for freshness...
The doses cited in this article are considerably higher than what MOST every other doctor has been giving. Dr. Smith, one of the biggest advocates for the use of HCQ, has been giving doses of 240 mg. This said doses up to 600 mg. That's a whole bunch more. Dr. Smith has said he, and others, are looking at the doses with an eye on adjusting them to be patient-specific. Smith cited an early study where the same dosage was being given to an 85 yr old, 90 lb woman as was being given to a 45 yr old 300 lb man. One or the other was being given the wrong dosage. But, nowhere have I seen anyone giving 600 mg dosages. Appears these researchers were deliberately trying to kill the patients just so they could discredit the use of the drug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp