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I agree with the withdrawal from Afghanistan.. I would dare say others here do too.. It was how the withdrawal was executed is the issue. It was a cluster.. Very embarrassing for the largest, most sophisticated, and most technical, and trained military in the world.. wouldn't you say?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Circle back Jen said today that they are not planning any resignations from generals or staff related to this debacle.. In other words.. no one will be held accountable for this...Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
So this admin after 8 months in office, couldn't renegotiate "Trumps deal" or plan and execute a better withdrawal than what took place? Bush Jr. in 4 months started and completed the move of all of the US military (tanks, planes, troops, support, etc.) required for the invasion of Kuwait and Iraq. Biden admin couldn't plan and execute an evacuation in double that time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Trump had 4 years to get us out. Biden got it done in 8 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
And no, we weren’t exactly in a strong position to renegotiate unless we were willing to deploy more troops and extend the war. Trump left 2500 troops in the area, release more than that in Taliban fighters, and left the Taliban in the strongest position in over a decade.
Obama had 8 years, nearly doubled our deployment to Afghanistan, and ordered a complete withdrawal in 2016. The withdrawal, of course, never happened. I know he, allegedly, wasn’t your guy, but why so tough on Trump when Obama had twice as long and all he did was bolster our forces in Afghanistan to almost 100,000?
It’s obvious there is more to it than, “we’re just going to leave.” Something obviously wasn’t right or we, hopefully, would have been able to leave some time between 2002 and 2020. It’s overly simplistic, but there is a reason abuses women don’t leave, smokers can’t quit, and drunks can’t put down the bottle. Sometimes there is more to it. Biden seems to have said, “screw the details and backlash, we’re out.” It feels like the only way the leader of the free world and the greatest military power on the planet could goof this is because it was intentional. Do I believe that? Not really, but deliberate screwing up is about equal to the incompetence on display as far as the stupid scale is concerned.
Obama deserves the criticism too. I never voted for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Trump left Biden two choices - bring in more troops or get the hell out as fast as you can. Staying longer with the 2500 troops we had we the worst option and just risked our troops becoming targets in an increasingly insecure area. There really weren’t any good options, particularly if you believe that our effort to prop up our preferred government would ultimately fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
The reason that no one left is that it is BAD to leave a battlefield you haven’t conquered. Sometimes pursuing the futile seems like a better option that accepting the bad outcome, but that is exactly what led to this war lasting 20 years. Like we forgot the lesson of Vietnam.
You started a defense thread for him and seemed to love being an Obama lover.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
A “defense thread” for him? You have it backwards. I am the one that started the thread calling him the worst POTUS ever. But, of course, that seems pretty silly since we had Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
…we all knew what you were doing. You were the biggest ever Obama fan. Read your own postsQuote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
How ‘bout that watch check by the adult idiot?
You are the one that clearly needs to read them.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showt...President-Ever
What sort of long game do you think I was playing in 2009?
He is half black. You loved him for that. It must have helped ease your white guilt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
What decade does Sleepy's think he is in? If ANY high-profile conservative committed a gaffe this bad, they would be canceled within 10 minutes.
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