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The problem is MTG, and a few others, are making the old "straw man" argument that makes no sense. They say it's an either/or between funding Ukraine's defense efforts and closing the border. No it isn't! That is so STUPID it is beyond ridiculous. I HOPE, I mean I really HOPE I don't have to explain the flaw in that line of thinking.

Get us a real POTUS and the border will be closed, and we can continue to help Ukraine defeat the evil Putin. The money is already there to do both.

MTG just needs to go. Her stupidity sheds a negative light on the GOP and hinders the efforts to win back the WH and both houses of Congress. No, not with conservatives, and no this has no effect on converting dimwitted dems to the right side, but rather on the important independents who are always fence-sitting. The GOP is a laughing-stock and this casts a pall over "the government" being able to carry out its duties. This is what independent voters see and think. Of course, the lefties, who know how to play politics, use MTG's antics as a weapon to convince the fence-sitters the GOP cannot be trusted to conduct the government's business. And my gosh! they have a point.

You'll be disappointed if Trump doesn't keep the spigot open for the Ukraine corruption to continue? I suppose a true "conservative" would just continue to look the other way in the give and take world of the swamp. Government business is the problem, not the solution.

You may have missed the point. I said conservatives are not the issue, but rather the independents who see government shutdowns and delays in passing legislation, etc. as a problem. So morons like MTG who have accomplished nothing except making it harder for the GOP to win back Congress, plays into the hands of the dems who win support from the independents in close elections.

You can’t view the world through your very narrow lens. In fact you come across as if you are speaking to yourself in a mirror. Doesn’t matter how you view MTG, it’s how those independents do.

I didn’t answer your question, yes I am concerned about what Trump will do about Ukraine. I can/will elaborate a little more on this matter as I hear him speak on this more.

We have different views on the responsibility of our leaders. American citizens should come first. We don’t and haven’t in many decades. We are NOT the world’s keeper, but as long as the swamp is allowed to keep skimming off the top of every aid package, American citizens take a back seat. FWIW we need Israel more than Israel needs us. Not even close to the situation in your favorite cause.

For the record I support both Israel and Ukraine, and Taiwan too. I suppose you think it'll be just fine for the Chicoms to invade Taiwan. Let's not get involved in that one either, right?

We need Israel more than they need us? Ummm, you better rethink that one. If the US were to turn our backs on Israel they would cease to exist in less than 24 hours. They need us for their very existence!

As for Ukraine, it's not just about them, but rather thwarting Putin's plans of reestablishing the old Soviet Union. This war could be happening in one of the Baltic countries, or Hungary, or Romania and my position would have been the same: Putin needs to be stopped. My "favorite cause" is justice, it is a moral obligation to fight evil wherever it exists. And in this case, Putin represents a real danger to our interests, to US interests, to "American citizens who should come first" interests. We ARE the world's keeper and we better sure as hell remain that or we will all see problems as "American citizens who should come first" like none of us dare think about. Together with our allies around the world, we MUST be the world's police.

Trump knows that too, which is why I am not going to throw him under the bus on this issue. Trump built back the US military second only to how Reagan built our military (since the end of WWII), and Trump built coalitions with our allies, his Quads, and the world knew peace for 4 years. Trump is no fool, like that silly MTG is, and while he talks about "being friends" with the likes of Putin and Xi, behind the scenes he has made it clear to them they had better behave themselves. So, I suppose you won't support Trump when he does continue to, maybe even ramp up, aid to Ukraine, which I think he will.

This whole STUPID notion that the money (mostly in the form of physical assets: military weapons, equipment, ammo) going to Ukraine leaves the US unable to do other things is ridiculous. First, there is already MORE money allocated to closing the border than is needed to do so. But right now, we have that puppet in the WH who won't enforce the law. Trump will close the border and won't have to ask Congress for a special spending package to do so. Then what will you and that bimbo MTG say?

I agree with anyone, including you, that the Swamp is our single biggest problem. The Federal "govmint" spends WAAAY too much money and has seized too much power. The states need to reassert their 10th Amendment rights and authority. We could both elaborate on examples of this. But for now, I will remain steadfast in the US always occupying the moral high ground and I strongly believe that supporting Ukraine in their fight against pure evil, is where the US needs to stand. Let's be on the right side of history.

We need Israel more than they need us? Ummm, you better rethink that one. If the US were to turn our backs on Israel they would cease to exist in less than 24 hours. They need us for their very existence!

Nah, I'm good with that and history proves me right. The Israel thing is WAY bigger than the other crap the swamp has allowed to go on in the world. You might want to rethink it based on scripture instead of your gut.

Not going to get into the scripture discussion. I don't believe that God's timeline of events matches what we puny mortals think it should be.

I wouldn't want to be standing on the frontline of Israel in the case of US abandonment holding the Old Testament in my hands... give me a bunch of Patriot missile batteries and then I can trust in the good Lord a little better.

Lines from an old song...

"The Lord's our Savior, goes the psalm
but just in case, better give us the bomb."

Okay. So you don't believe the recent past is an indication of God protecting Israel? Brush up on your history since since 1947.

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Okay. So you don't believe the recent past is an indication of God protecting Israel? Brush up on your history since since 1947.

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Still doesn't mean that Armageddon is going to occur anytime soon. After you mentioned scripture, I did "brush up" on it. And while one can see some of the pieces coming into place, that still does mean it's going to happen in our earthly lifetimes. No one, but God, knows the day of the Second Coming.

And it's been God protecting Israel through the vehicle of the US! We have been, and are, the conduit of God's protection for Israel. You said "we need Israel more than they need us," and I disagree. And as for my "brush up on your history..." Well, I think I have forgotten more than you will ever know. (that wasn't very nice of me :icon_roll:)

Again, there is no need for this "argument." In today's reality there is evil in the world, and I advocate for standing up to all of it. Unlike others I don't want to pick and choose which portrayers of evil the US should stand against. Evil is evil, wherever it can be found, and the US has a moral obligation to take a stand.

Nobody said anything about the second coming. What I said and has been proven many times is that God is looking out for Israel. Israel does not depend on the US for its survival and won't be dictated to by a bunch of DC swampers/scammers. They don't need us as much as we need them.

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Nobody said anything about the second coming. What I said and has been proven many times is that God is looking out for Israel. Israel does not depend on the US for its survival and won't be dictated to by a bunch of DC swampers/scammers. They don't need us as much as we need them.

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I'll bite...why do we need them? For what? And if they don't need us than let's immediately cut them off from ALL military aid, and no more shared intelligence with them either. And, make it clear to Iran, we're done with Israel, have at 'em. Let's see what happens then, eh.

But, first, please tell me why the US "needs" them?

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I'll bite...why do we need them? For what? And if they don't need us than let's immediately cut them off from ALL military aid, and no more shared intelligence with them either. And, make it clear to Iran, we're done with Israel, have at 'em. Let's see what happens then, eh.

But, first, please tell me why the US "needs" them?

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Our only true ally in the mid-east.

Biden and the swamp has cut them off.

Good vs Evil

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Our only true ally in the mid-east.

Biden and the swamp has cut them off.

Good vs Evil

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Just playing devil's advocate, why do we need an ally in the middle-east? Let's throw Israel to the wolves and make friends with all the Arab/Islamic nations. Whalloh! no more problems.

The GOP is so weak that most pundits think IF they take the senate it'll be a 51-49 margin. As much as the democraps have screwed up the country it is remarkable it can (will?) end up this close.