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Originally Posted by dawg80

We are a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy and not even a "representative democracy" either. We are a Republic....period!

And be glad that we are too. None of us would want our laws based solely on the whim of the voting populous, that can change its philosophical view as quickly as the wind changes direction. Nor do we want to elect representatives who would also be subject to changing whims. Just think if we were TRULY a "representative democracy" as some say they want. The GOP controls Congress and the WH right now...they could vote to pass laws that outlaw anything they don't like, and make laws to support those things they do like. But, they can't, and neither can the 'craps (although they have the gonads to try) when they control Congress and the WH.

Nope in both cases. We are a Constitutional Republic with laws that over rule the whims of 535 people.

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The democracy index isn’t really a measure of whether you are more like a Republic or more like a pure democracy.

We used to be considered a “full democracy” based on the factors the study measures:

Electoral process and pluralism, Functioning of government, Political participation, Political culture, Civil liberties

We have since fallen out.

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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow

Yep, amazing. If there ends up being a dictator here in America, it is the snowflakes that will make it possible, because they are currently intent on overthrowing the results of a free and fair election, which will only lead to more of that in the future. That would be the end of our "REPRESENTATIVE" democratic system, which is NOT a "pure" democracy no matter what the writer said....but they are in the "I am going to sit in the corner and hold my breath until I get my way" mode right now, so there is no logical argument that will make them see reality.

The writer might also be made to understand that the UK is not a pure democracy either.

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I am sure the author is well aware of that. The democracy index measures and categorizes countries according to the following classifications: full democracy, flawed democracy, hybrid, authoritarian. The two categories we have fallen in since he beginning of the study are:

Full democracies are nations where civil liberties and basic political freedoms are not only respected, but also reinforced by a political culture conducive to the thriving of democratic principles. These nations have a valid system of governmental checks and balances, independent judiciary whose decisions are enforced, governments that function adequately, and media that is diverse and independent. These nations have only limited problems in democratic functioning.

Flawed democracies are nations where elections are fair and free and basic civil liberties are honored but may have issues (e.g. media freedom infringement). Nonetheless, these nations have significant faults in other democratic aspects, including underdeveloped political culture, low levels of participation in politics, and issues in the functioning of governance.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

I am sure the author is well aware of that. The democracy index measures and categorizes countries according to the following classifications: full democracy, flawed democracy, hybrid, authoritarian. The two categories we have fallen in since he beginning of the study are:

Full democracies are nations where civil liberties and basic political freedoms are not only respected, but also reinforced by a political culture conducive to the thriving of democratic principles. These nations have a valid system of governmental checks and balances, independent judiciary whose decisions are enforced, governments that function adequately, and media that is diverse and independent. These nations have only limited problems in democratic functioning.

Flawed democracies are nations where elections are fair and free and basic civil liberties are honored but may have issues (e.g. media freedom infringement). Nonetheless, these nations have significant faults in other democratic aspects, including underdeveloped political culture, low levels of participation in politics, and issues in the functioning of governance.

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So Brian Klaaus takes a shot at a guy he obviously hates in Trump, and you think he had all the above in mind when he made his reference to a crumbling democracy?:laugh:

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

So Brian Klaaus takes a shot at a guy he obviously hates in Trump, and you think he had all the above in mind when he made his reference to a crumbling democracy?:laugh:

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I thought we were talking about the author from Independent. That author would surely know what the democracy index is because that is what the article was about.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

I thought we were talking about the author from Independent. That author would surely know what the democracy index is because that is what the article was about.

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You used the article to back up your theories. Your first reference was to Brian Klauss's comment. That's the one I cracked on.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

You used the article to back up your theories. Your first reference was to Brian Klauss's comment. That's the one I cracked on.

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Ad Homs are another one of your favorite types of arguments since Trump was elected - up there with red herrings and strawman arguments. Really just shows that you are out of real arguments when it comes to the current administration.

Technically the 31 year old is more of an expert in this field than any of us, so good luck with that even.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Ad Homs are another one of your favorite types of arguments since Trump was elected - up there with red herrings and strawman arguments. Really just shows that you are out of real arguments when it comes to the current administration.

Technically the 31 year old is more of an expert in this field than any of us, so good luck with that even.

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LOL. Says Mr "Fox News" is the answer for everything.

And I would argue that this 31 year old is only an expert on his opinion. He is willing to share it with anyone gullible enough to believe it (or read it).

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

You used the article to back up your theories. Your first reference was to Brian Klauss's comment. That's the one I cracked on.

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He used Brian's opinion piece to back him up on it being Trump's fault because the author from the Independent said it wasn't. He mixes sources when it suits his argument.

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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow

He used Brian's opinion piece to back him up on it being Trump's fault because the author from the Independent said it wasn't. He mixes sources when it suits his argument.

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Trump and his base are kind of two peas in a pod on this particular issue. Both spin and believe in conspiracy theories of a failed government. Deep state seems to be the current incarnation. Of course both are also a product of irresponsible right-wing pseudojournalism (some of which is getting significant airplay on FoxNews). To the extent our government is broken it more a function of hyperpartisanship, which itself has several root causes including gerrymandering leading to the more extreme folks getting elected to Congress, but it has gotten so much worse in that we have a significant minority of the population that believe the president when he alleges that negative reporting is “fake news” and believe in other odd conspiracy theories that are promoted in various conservative media.

So, yeah, in some respects Trump is a symptom that was aided and abetted by the disease of right wing hysteria, but he is also one of its greatest champions both before getting elected and after.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Trump and his base are kind of two peas in a pod on this particular issue. Both spin and believe in conspiracy theories of a failed government. Deep state seems to be the current incarnation. Of course both are also a product of irresponsible right-wing pseudojournalism (some of which is getting significant airplay on FoxNews). To the extent our government is broken it more a function of hyperpartisanship, which itself has several root causes including gerrymandering leading to the more extreme folks getting elected to Congress, but it has gotten so much worse in that we have a significant minority of the population that believe the president when he alleges that negative reporting is “fake news” and believe in other odd conspiracy theories that are promoted in various conservative media.

So, yeah, in some respects Trump is a symptom that was aided and abetted by the disease of right wing hysteria, but he is also one of its greatest champions both before getting elected and after.

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Is there a bigger conspiracy theory than the Trump/Russia collusion theory born from the unwillingness to accept a democratic election?

I think not.

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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow

Is there a bigger conspiracy theory than the Trump/Russia collusion theory born from the unwillingness to accept a democratic election?

I think not.

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What is the conspiracy theory?

That Russia said they had dirt on HRC and said they wanted Magnitsky Act lifted and then Trump called out to them on National TV to release the documents and they did?

Wow!

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

What is the conspiracy theory?

That Russia said they had dirt on HRC and said they wanted Magnitsky Act lifted and then Trump called out to them on National TV to release the documents and they did?

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Trump's comment was intended to be comical (I remember it) and he was referencing the fact that Hillary had done such a thorough job of obstructing justice in hammering phones and hard drives and bleach bitting all of her files while claiming to be transparent. But, there was nothing but e-mail about wedding planning and sweet notes to Billy on there anyway, right? That's what she said, anyway....so there was nothing to be worried about them being released.

The only Russain "dirt" I saw exposed was a piece of opposition research paid for by Hillary and the DNC, which was not verified, but used to get a FISA warrant to spy on an American. Shame shame.

Yep! Trump was referring to the "missing" 30,000 emails of Krooked Killary's and he jokingly suggested maybe the Russians had them and should publish them. (although he was probably close to the truth on that)

And yep! again. The only dirty stuff is Killary's and the DNC's paid-for dossier. That's the ONLY collusion, designed to wreck Trump's campaign. That's the criminal activity needing to be investigated. Although I'm not sure what needs to be investigated, the 'craps are guilty!

Trump being Un-Presidential is upsetting to the socialist snowflakes.