The (LA Tech/LSUS) Merger Thread II

Looking up who makes up the Louisiana House Education Committee, all reside in the southern half of the state. Many have LSU degrees.

Committee Members
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Landry, Nancy Chairman District 31 R Louisiana State University, B.A., 1985; Louisiana State University Law School, JD, 1990 Carter, Gary Vice Chair District 102 D Xavier University of Louisiana, B.A., Political Science, 1996; Tulane Law School, J.D., 2002 Amedée, Beryl Member District 51 R None Listed Bouie, Joseph Member District 97 D Southern University at New Orleans, B.A.; Tulane University, M.S.W.; Clark Atlanta University, Ph.D. Brass, Ken Member District 58 D Southern University A & M College, B.S., Electrical Engineering, 1999 Carter, Stephen F. Member District 68 R Louisiana State University, B.A. Edmonds, Rick Member District 66 R East Texas Baptist University, B.A.; New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary, M.Div., Doctoral Studies Emerson, Julie Member District 39 R University of Louisiana at Lafayette, B.S.; University of South Carolina, M.B.A. Falconer, Reid Member District 89 R Louisiana State University, Bachelor of Architecture, 1979; Louisiana State University, M.S., Finance, 1984; Louisiana State University, M.B.A., 1984 Hilferty, Stephanie Member District 94 R Loyola University New Orleans, B.A. Leger, Walt III Member District 91 D Louisiana State University, B.A., Political Science, 2000; Tulane University Law School, J.D., 2003; Certificate of Specialization in Admiralty & Maritime Law, 2003 Simon, Scott M. Member District 74 R Tulane University, M.A. Architecture, 2005 Smith, Patricia Haynes Member District 67 D Kent State University, B.S. Education; Youngstown State, Youngstown, Ohio and Louisiana State University, post graduate work Thomas, Polly Member District 80 R University of Southwestern Louisiana, B.A., Speech Pathology and Audiology, 1969; Texas A&M University, M.S., Educational Psychology, 1974; Texas A&M University, Ph.D., Educational Psychology, 1977 Barras, Taylor F. Ex Officio District 48 R Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge, B.S. Accounting, 1979

NLA needs to secede and be done with it. No taxation without representation!

LSUS is the problem of LSU Baton Rouge... It should have NEVER been made a 4 year college!!!

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Originally Posted by 70TECHGRAD

LSUS is the problem of LSU Baton Rouge... It should have NEVER been made a 4 year college!!!

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It was never not a 4-year college. It was founded as a 4-year institution and has always been such.

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Originally Posted by Blue Dawg

NLA needs to secede and be done with it. No taxation without representation!

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The northern most LA rep is Walt Leger (District 91) representing St. Tammany, Tangipahoa, and Washington.

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Originally Posted by qng001

The northern most LA rep is Walt Leger (District 91) representing St. Tammany, Tangipahoa, and Washington.

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I'm pretty sure Julie Emerson is originally from Homer.

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Originally Posted by Blue Dawg

NLA needs to secede and be done with it. No taxation without representation!

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100% Then those that do get elected turn into bureaucrats who only want to be a part of the BR click. LSU tix and all.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

It was never not a 4-year college. It was founded as a 4-year institution and has always been such.

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it was created as a 2-year commuter college. It did not become 4-year institution until 1972. https://gencat3.eloquent-systems.com...=1513799946662
https://gencat3.eloquent-systems.com..._12_act 41.jpg

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Originally Posted by Blue Dawg

NLA needs to secede and be done with it. No taxation without representation!

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we need a law school first ;)

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Originally Posted by kbm86

I'm pretty sure Julie Emerson is originally from Homer.

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She is, but she is a ULL grad that lives in Carencro and represents a district in south Louisiana.

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Originally Posted by sportdawg

it was created as a 2-year commuter college. It did not become 4-year institution until 1972. https://gencat3.eloquent-systems.com...=1513799946662
https://gencat3.eloquent-systems.com..._12_act 41.jpg

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You are correct...technically.

As an LSUS alum and as one who worked on the marketing plan for it, I am privy to some "inside" information and history. Let me revise and extend my comments...

It was never the intention of supporters/founders to establish a 2-year school. It was always the goal for it to be a 4-year institution. In other words, the school was not founded and opened in 1967 as a 2-year school and everyone was on board and okay with that, and then 5 years later, someone had an epiphany and said, "hey! I have an idea, let's make LSUS a 4-year school!" That was the original plan from the git-go and supporters agreed to open the school in 1967 because politicians told them "have to take baby steps, but we'll get you to 4-year status ASAP."

This makes LSUS different than the others, LSUA, LSUE, LSUC who all opened as 2-year schools and were perfectly okay with that being their charter.

I'm having a brain fart at the moment and can't remember the name of the key benefactor, a founder, some say THE FOUNDER of LSUS, but he was steadfast and determined that LSUS be a 4-year institution. The reasoning for his, and others', insistence plays into that old north vs. south Louisiana stigma. If "south Louisiana" was gonna have LSU-BR, then by God, "north Louisiana" had to have its own "LSU."

Whatever happened to UNO? It opened as a 2 yr branch as LSUNO and changed its name to drop the LSU sometime in the 70s. Is it still under the LSU board of regents?

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Originally Posted by Houston Techsan

Whatever happened to UNO? It opened as a 2 yr branch as LSUNO and changed its name to drop the LSU sometime in the 70s. Is it still under the LSU board of regents?

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univ...of_New_Orleans

In the fall of 2011 the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges gave approval for the University of New Orleans to join the University of Louisiana System, concluding the five-month transition from the Louisiana State University System since Act 419 of the 2011 Louisiana Legislative Regular Session was signed into law in July 2011.

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Originally Posted by sportdawg

we need a law school first ;)

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Chicken/egg ;)

We will never get a law school as long as lsu is in control of the state government.

And as long as most of the lawyers in Louisiana are LSU lawyers who also make up the legislators ........

Thanks. Now I think I remember the change.

Remove athletics and professional schools . . . medical, law, vet, are about the only differences in Tech and SEC schools.

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Originally Posted by Dawgpix

Remove athletics and professional schools . . . medical, law, vet, are about the only differences in Tech and SEC schools.

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Remove the money and there is no difference between Me and a billionaire either.

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Originally Posted by Houston Techsan

Whatever happened to UNO? It opened as a 2 yr branch as LSUNO and changed its name to drop the LSU sometime in the 70s. Is it still under the LSU board of regents?

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And dying a slow death as well.

Latest blogpost from Jeff Sadow: Glover ups ante in insults to LSU

http://jeffsadow.blogspot.com/2019/0...ts-to-lsu.html

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Why Glover seems determined to reduce LSU’s northwest Louisiana footprint as much as he can – by yanking LSUS from the System, not discussing more realistic options such as merging Tech into LSUS or LSUS with LSUHSC or not giving LSU the chance to open a law school – remains unknown. What we do know is Glover will do what Glover does, even if there are no good reasons or significant support behind his actions.

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My sides have left the planet

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Originally Posted by TechAlum05

Latest blogpost from Jeff Sadow: Glover ups ante in insults to LSU

http://jeffsadow.blogspot.com/2019/0...ts-to-lsu.html

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There ya go! have LSUS take over Tech! :icon_roll:

Did you expect any other type reaction?

Like 2012 this too is DOA.

This LSUS professor Jeff Sadow is unfit to teach.

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Originally Posted by qng001

This LSUS professor Jeff Sadow is unfit to teach.

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When I was at LSUS there were two Poli-Sci Professors. Dr. Sadow and Dr. Pederson. Dr. Sadow was the extreme conservative but had such a dry personality no one in their right minds wanted to take his classes. Dr. Pederson was a dyed in the wool Oregonian Liberal but one of the best professors I ever had. He was that rare breed of leftist stalwart that would listen to your side and openly debate in class without getting nasty or foolish. Sadow is just trying to protect is job here and I am not surprised at all.

Jeff Sadow's piece on the Hayride (Louisiana Conservative forum).



https://www.lsus.edu/images/MyInfo/Sadow, Jeffrey.jpg

SADOW: The Streamlining Of Higher Education In Louisiana Is Needed
April 16th, 2019

" This system with too few potential students chasing too many baccalaureate-and-above institutions that disproportionately receive taxpayer money relative to other state needs could use reconfiguration that cuts excess costs. Practically speaking, demoting some such institutions to community college status and merging others would accomplish this goal.

Legislators need to concentrate on completing that policy agenda, not sniping abut student costs when only now, after years of increases, does that amount begin to reflect students paying what they should. "

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Originally Posted by KSDAWG

When I was at LSUS there were two Poli-Sci Professors. Dr. Sadow and Dr. Pederson. Dr. Sadow was the extreme conservative but had such a dry personality no one in their right minds wanted to take his classes. Dr. Pederson was a dyed in the wool Oregonian Liberal but one of the best professors I ever had. He was that rare breed of leftist stalwart that would listen to your side and openly debate in class without getting nasty or foolish. Sadow is just trying to protect is job here and I am not surprised at all.

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Sadow's dry personality comes across in his blog posts. The combination of his personality and his love of using really big words to sound smart makes his posts barely readable. Even if I agree with Sadow in one of his posts, I need to read the post two or three times just to understand the point he is trying to make.

Sadow supports merging universities, but not with his place of employment.

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Originally Posted by qng001

Sadow supports merging universities, but not with his place of employment.

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Yep and he doesn't realize he is part of the problem. Universities need to merge. Just not mine. I think the real issue is that everyone will have different criteria for how to decide who gets merged. And everyone's criteria magically benefits them. ULM, LSUS, LSUA would probably support merging schools around major metropolitan areas as long as they got to stick around after the merger. Unfortunately that's not a very good model as those are not particularly great schools to build around.

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Originally Posted by detltu

Yep and he doesn't realize he is part of the problem. Universities need to merge. Just not mine. I think the real issue is that everyone will have different criteria for how to decide who gets merged. And everyone's criteria magically benefits them. ULM, LSUS, LSUA would probably support merging schools around major metropolitan areas as long as they got to stick around after the merger. Unfortunately that's not a very good model as those are not particularly great schools to build around.

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The scariest problem about this is when it does come time to fix the problem, the politicians won't chose to do what is right. They will answer the call of those that whine and complain the most. Tech has done more with less for generations, yet would be the first to hurt when this goes down.

I've changed my mind on this merger deal. I thought Cedric had his ducks in a row. Don't believe that's the case now. Looks more like Cedric being Cedric and the odds are very long so pretty unlikely.

I still think it's an opportunity for Tech if it came together in a fiscally responsible manner. Guess we'll see what happens soon enough.

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Originally Posted by tenacious_dog

I've changed my mind on this merger deal. I thought Cedric had his ducks in a row. Don't believe that's the case now. Looks more like Cedric being Cedric and the odds are very long so pretty unlikely.

I still think it's an opportunity for Tech if it came together in a fiscally responsible manner. Guess we'll see what happens soon enough.

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The governor even doesn't support this. Higher education in Louisiana is f'd up.

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Originally Posted by qng001

The governor even doesn't support this. Higher education in Louisiana is f'd up.

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There is no traction or unified momentum. It seems all the Tech people are on the sidelines cheering but not vested in the move.

Larry Clark said "The ability to have LSU in our name is a huge magnet", that is all they care.


LSUS uses online enrollment to grow campus | arklatechhomepage.com

• Chancellor of LSUS, Larry Clark said a proposed merger with Louisiana Tech is not needed for several reasons including that LSUS is expanding thanks to its online students and not necessarily the state.
• "The ability to have LSU in our name is a huge magnet in attracting students from around the world," Clark said.
• "We have an urban, metropolitian mission and it's a university of opportunity. Rather to lower the expectation in the classroom we support the students to meet expectation in the classroom," Clark said.

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Originally Posted by qng001

Larry Clark said "The ability to have LSU in our name is a huge magnet", that is all they care.

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"There's a sucker born every minute" Larry Clark - basically.

A Tech/LSUS merger is not in the cards. Time to put any ideas about consolidating higher education in Louisiana aside. Each university will have to survive on its own merits. We'll all continue to struggle with inadequate state funding for the foreseeable future.

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Originally Posted by KSDAWG

There is no traction or unified momentum. It seems all the Tech people are on the sidelines cheering but not vested in the move.

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I am AGAINST the merger!!

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Originally Posted by 70TECHGRAD

I am AGAINST the merger!!

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I am for it. I think most Tech folks are for it, but I won't lose any sleep when it fails.

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Originally Posted by KSDAWG

I am for it. I think most Tech folks are for it, but I won't lose any sleep when it fails.

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I'm also for it but believe Shreveport and the mayor missed their chance years ago. We have moved on.

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

I'm also for it but believe Shreveport and the mayor missed their chance years ago. We have moved on.

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Cedric Glover was the Mayor at that time, and I believe he was ALL IN back then as well. It was the legislative branch that wasn't.

I want this for my city, not sure what's in it for my university.

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Originally Posted by sportdawg

Cedric Glover was the Mayor at that time, and I believe he was ALL IN back then as well. It was the legislative branch that wasn't. I want this for my city, not sure what's in it for my university.

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It had support from everyone except the 3 state senators in the region, each of whom were against it for their own selfish political reasons. And the irony in all of this is the fact that LSU's leadership in Baton Rouge was publicly against it while privately they would love nothing more than to get rid of it.

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Originally Posted by The Historian

It had support from everyone except the 3 state senators in the region, each of whom were against it for their own selfish political reasons. And the irony in all of this is the fact that LSU's leadership in Baton Rouge was publicly against it while privately they would love nothing more than to get rid of it.

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This is a textbook example of how common sense legislation gets pummeled by graft & corruption. The legislators that don't want it typically are against it for personal gain or the gain of their favorite team. I quit caring a few years back but always like to see how it unfolds.

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Originally Posted by The Historian

It had support from everyone except the 3 state senators in the region, each of whom were against it for their own selfish political reasons. And the irony in all of this is the fact that LSU's leadership in Baton Rouge was publicly against it while privately they would love nothing more than to get rid of it.

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Not true. There were more than just THREE state senators opposed to it. And, there were a bunch of others who didn't care either way, but we're ONLY going to support it in exchange for a political reciprocation on other issues.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Not true. There were more than just THREE state senators opposed to it. And, there were a bunch of others who didn't care either way, but we're ONLY going to support it in exchange for a political reciprocation on other issues.

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he qualified his statement with "in the region."

Maybe so, but that's not how it reads.


"In the region, it had the support of everyone except the 3 state senators..."

Only, that's not true either. There were many "in the region" opposed to it.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Maybe so, but that's not how it reads.


"In the region, it had the support of everyone except the 3 state senators..."

Only, that's not true either. There were many "in the region" opposed to it.

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Please see the very first post to see the numbers

Wow! "everyone" supported...but it never happened. Was DOA. Why didn't it happen if "everyone" supported it?

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Wow! "everyone" supported...but it never happened. Was DOA. Why didn't it happen if "everyone" supported it? :icon_roll:

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Because one particular state senator worked tirelessly behind the scenes to scuttle it. And I'll qualify what I said. Of those who really mattered in that debate the only people who opposed it were those 3 state senators.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Wow! "everyone" supported...but it never happened. Was DOA. Why didn't it happen if "everyone" supported it?

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Was DOA? It easily got out of Committee. It had enough support on both the House floor and Senate floor to pass, but too many in each group were scared away out of fear for their own pet projects. Losing the support of those 3 state senators, who could vote in a block, for money earmarked for their own districts is the underlying reason why the bill went down.

That loss of support in the senate scared enough House members away from supporting it. The only other potential roadblock it ran into was a group of House members in New Orleans who feared that a successful merger of LSUS and Tech would have meant another merger fight over UNO and SUNO.

So on and so forth...

Had one state senator tell me he supported the merger in principle, but wanted to see the details and how it would affect "other matters." You might say, well, that was just one senator, but based on other feedback I think he was fairly typical of the legislature. That's why I say it was DOA. It was so very easy to offer a thumbs up when asked about it generically, but when push came to shove some "supporting it" would have, and some did, switch sides.

Typical politics...

LaTechReport.com‏ @LaTechReport 35m35 minutes agoMore



BREAKING: LSU–Baton Rouge flexes its political muscle to keep LSUS in its death spiral so @MayorGlover defers bill to merge LSUS into Louisiana Tech due to lack of support.

https://www.shreveporttimes.com/stor...us/1128935001/

He needs to replace "LSU" with "LSU System".

Glover didn't have his ducks in a row and didn't have a plan. I was thinking maybe he did. Can probably put this idea to bed. C'est la vie.:rolleyes:

I don't blame Glover, I blame all those state legislatures that sees only Purple and Gold.

This was a pretty good idea when first proposed. The continued neglect of LSUS makes it worse and worse as time goes on. Eventually LSUS will starve out. We just have to focus on making Tech the best it can be and do what we can in Shreveport.

LSUS almost shut it doors in 2016. Their online model isn't sustainable. Also it's crazy that state of Louisiana is funding basically an online school now. How many classrooms are unused? How many teachers are actually coming into the office? There is a lot of wasteful spending trying to keep their campus running.


LSUS faces possible closure as budget cuts loom
arkalatexhomepage.com | Feb 12, 2016

It's a ridiculous situation. If LSU does something with it now, more power to them. Otherwise, until the day they knock on our door asking us to take it over it doesn't warrant another thought. By that time it may be too late to salvage.

And it makes me laugh to see the Baton Rouge Chancellor brag about it being the faster growing school in the state. When you're working with small numbers it doesn't take much to get high percentage increases. What a self-serving doofus!

Hate to bring this up again....but, just wanted to mention that a Facebook "friend" is posting that LSU's national championship in football is proof that LSUS is much better off staying in the LSU system. I don't see how success on the football field for the school in Baton Rouge translates to more support/better support for the school in Shreveport, but hey, there ya go!

Go Pilots! er, sorry, Geaux Tigahs!

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Hate to bring this up again....but, just wanted to mention that a Facebook "friend" is posting that LSU's national championship in football is proof that LSUS is much better off staying in the LSU system. I don't see how success on the football field for the school in Baton Rouge translates to more support/better support for the school in Shreveport, but hey, there ya go!

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It's called being a dumb ass.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Hate to bring this up again....but, just wanted to mention that a Facebook "friend" is posting that LSU's national championship in football is proof that LSUS is much better off staying in the LSU system. I don't see how success on the football field for the school in Baton Rouge translates to more support/better support for the school in Shreveport, but hey, there ya go!

Go Pilots! er, sorry, Geaux Tigahs!

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:laugh: Idiots!

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