Covid - 19 - Louisiana Edition

Avg age is 75, the median age is 76.

Data:

5 deaths in the age range 0-17.
24 in age 18-29
80 in age 30-39
176 in age 40-49
475 in age 50-59
996 in age 60-69
3,739 in age 70+

This is interesting...

in the two youngest age brackets, age 0-29 there have been 54,961 cases and 29 deaths, that's .053%. On the opposite end, age brackets of 60-70+ there have been 39,593 cases and 4,735 deaths, that's 11.96%. So, far, unless the data is listed elsewhere, 100% of all deaths list some "other condition", with hypertension being the single biggest cause.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Avg age is 75, the median age is 76.

Data:

5 deaths in the age range 0-17.
24 in age 18-29
80 in age 30-39
176 in age 40-49
475 in age 50-59
996 in age 60-69
3,739 in age 70+

This is interesting...

in the two youngest age brackets, age 0-29 there have been 54,961 cases and 29 deaths, that's .053%. On the opposite end, age brackets of 60-70+ there have been 39,593 cases and 4,735 deaths, that's 11.96%. So, far, unless the data is listed elsewhere, 100% of all deaths list some "other condition", with hypertension being the single biggest cause.

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Pawdawg used to argue that it was only “untreated hypertension” that was a comorbidity. I never saw his source for that.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Pawdawg used to argue that it was only “untreated hypertension” that was a comorbidity. I never saw his source for that.

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Never said that. You said HBP was an underlying condition. I replied that HBP was not an underlying condition if it was treated. HBP is a normal part of the aging process and if treated with meds, diet, and exercise, it's not a problem. Funny that the CDC refrains from calling being a fat ass an underlying condition.

Actually cardiovascular disease is the biggest cause not hypertension alone.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

October 14

173,121 cases 5,495 deaths

582 in hosp 64 on vents

Recovery rate is 93.5%

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October 15

173,864 cases 5,507 deaths

566 in hosp 61 on vents

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Never said that. You said HBP was an underlying condition. I replied that HBP was not an underlying condition if it was treated. HBP is a normal part of the aging process and if treated with meds, diet, and exercise, it's not a problem. Funny that the CDC refrains from calling being a fat ass an underlying condition.

Actually cardiovascular disease is the biggest cause not hypertension alone.

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On the website it lists hypertension 52% and further down the list cardiac disease at 21%. Now, if you add all the listed % it equals greater than 100%. So clearly it is not simply a percentage of "underlying conditions" assigning a cause, because it would add to 100%. It is meant as some combination of causes.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

October 15

173,864 cases 5,507 deaths

566 in hosp 61 on vents

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October 16

174,638 cases 5,527 deaths

557 in hosp 60 on vents

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Originally Posted by dawg80

On the website it lists hypertension 52% and further down the list cardiac disease at 21%. Now, if you add all the listed % it equals greater than 100%. So clearly it is not simply a percentage of "underlying conditions" assigning a cause, because it would add to 100%. It is meant as some combination of causes.

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Yes, because of people with multiple comorbities.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Yes, because of people with multiple comorbities.

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Okay...and what % of China virus deaths were people with ZERO "underlying conditions?" I don't think I have ever seen a figure on that.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Okay...and what % of China virus deaths were people with ZERO "underlying conditions?" I don't think I have ever seen a figure on that.

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Does it even matter given that the majority of American adults have one of the comorbidities, particularly hypertension or obesity?

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Does it even matter given that the majority of American adults have one of the comorbidities, particularly hypertension or obesity?

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Yes, it matters. So, how many people have died from China virus who were 100% healthy? It's a fair question.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Yes, it matters. So, how many people have died from China virus who were 100% healthy? It's a fair question.

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Who is 100% healthy?

Comorbidities

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities,

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Who is 100% healthy?

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Well...back in the day...

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Originally Posted by dawg80

October 16

174,638 cases 5,527 deaths

557 in hosp 60 on vents

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October 19

175,982 cases 5,566 deaths

553 in hosp 64 on vents

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Originally Posted by dawg80

October 19

175,982 cases 5,566 deaths

553 in hosp 64 on vents

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October 20

176,681 cases 5,572 deaths

586 in hosp 62 on vents

Voted yesterday.

Still doing the meaningless temp taking

Making sure all are wearing masks, but no biggie if they are not wearing them properly

Distancing must be optional. Lots of signs, but no enforcement

Finally, the booths are supposed to be cleaned after each voter moves away. Not happening.

Our governor should enforce his own BS.

Two steps forward, one back...and sometimes it's one step forward, two back. Just not making any headway.

Guess it would suffice to update these numbers once a week. It's like one of those silly daytime soap operas (Light at the Edge of the Spinning World) my wife used to watch. You could watch on Monday and come back on Friday and that same group of doctors/nurses were still engage in the same gossipy conversation.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Voted yesterday.

Still doing the meaningless temp taking

Making sure all are wearing masks, but no biggie if they are not wearing them properly

Distancing must be optional. Lots of signs, but no enforcement

Finally, the booths are supposed to be cleaned after each voter moves away. Not happening.

Our governor should enforce his own BS.

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The ROVs have been informed they cannot force people to wear masks - and if a temperature spikes, they are still allowed to vote

Our office is cleaning each machine after each use

If folks in Claiborne keep voting at this pace there will be no reason to have the polls open on the 3rd...

BTW - we are not "officially" taking temps - we have one of those automatic "temp kiosks" but it's not mandatory

Surprisingly folks are using it just to see how it works

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Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden

BTW - we are not "officially" taking temps - we have one of those automatic "temp kiosks" but it's not mandatory

Surprisingly folks are using it just to see how it works

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We have 4 of those at the entrance of my office building. If your temp does not read "normal" then you will not be able to scan your badge to enter the building.

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Originally Posted by FriscoDog

We have 4 of those at the entrance of my office building. If your temp does not read "normal" then you will not be able to scan your badge to enter the building.

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We are a parish govt bldg that houses the ROV and is the designated polling place for early voting - per directives from the SOS and AG we cannot bar someone from entering our building during the early voting process regardless of their health status...

October 26

180,069 cases 5,648 deaths

609 in hosp 71 on vents

Basically, the numbers in Hospital and on Ventilators just haven't changed very much in weeks, probably months. They ease up, the go down, they go back up...

For instance...

June 11

44,472 cases 2,874 deaths

553 in hosp 77 on vents

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Basically, the numbers in Hospital and on Ventilators just haven't changed very much in weeks, probably months. They ease up, the go down, they go back up...

For instance...

June 11

44,472 cases 2,874 deaths

553 in hosp 77 on vents

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Similar to the flu, except the flu is horrible on all ages. China Virus is worse for some (even healthy) peeps than others. Some even older people seem to get a "mild case". No "mild case" flu attacks.

Just a reminder, while this is indeed flat, it is an ongoing thing ...

It finally got to my household. My daughter has it and I suspect a couple more of us do. I am awaiting test results. Hoping for a mild case. She either got it at her high school or from my son who was quarantined the same day because someone at his school had it. That would make him an asymptomatic carrier.

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Originally Posted by weunice

Just a reminder, while this is indeed flat, it is an ongoing thing ...

It finally got to my household. My daughter has it and I suspect a couple more of us do. I am awaiting test results. Hoping for a mild case. She either got it at her high school or from my son who was quarantined the same day because someone at his school had it. That would make him an asymptomatic carrier.

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Hope you and the rest of your family are able to avoid it.

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Originally Posted by weunice

Just a reminder, while this is indeed flat, it is an ongoing thing ...

It finally got to my household. My daughter has it and I suspect a couple more of us do. I am awaiting test results. Hoping for a mild case. She either got it at her high school or from my son who was quarantined the same day because someone at his school had it. That would make him an asymptomatic carrier.

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Hope you all don't get it, and if it does happen it is a mild case. If you had to find a silver lining, at least if you all get it at the same time, you don't have to quarantine from each other inside your home. That would suck IMO.

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Originally Posted by weunice

Just a reminder, while this is indeed flat, it is an ongoing thing ...

It finally got to my household. My daughter has it and I suspect a couple more of us do. I am awaiting test results. Hoping for a mild case. She either got it at her high school or from my son who was quarantined the same day because someone at his school had it. That would make him an asymptomatic carrier.

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Prayers for your family.

Thanks for the prayers y'all. We did a quarantine Halloween for the kids and had a friend deliver some last minute supplies to make it happen. They thought it was pretty amazing for having not been what they were used to. Halloween is amazing in our neighborhood. I hated not participating but you do what you can. I don't think our kids will ever forget this one. My daughter is pretty rapidly turning around. I hope it isn't temporary. She is young though.

November 2

183,616 cases 5,720 deaths

596 in hosp 70 on vents

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Originally Posted by dawg80

November 2

183,616 cases 5,720 deaths

596 in hosp 70 on vents

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November 9

188,352 cases 5,819 deaths

652 in hosp 71 on vents

You should start a thread regarding fuel prices. Voters live, dead, and non registered will enjoy the new cost of fuel and the inflation that will go along with it.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

You should start a thread regarding fuel prices. Voters live, dead, and non registered will enjoy the new cost of fuel and the inflation that will go along with it.

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we could be carrying money in wheelbarrows , inflation with printing money and no tax base is going to be a disaster if they go full left.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

You should start a thread regarding fuel prices. Voters live, dead, and non registered will enjoy the new cost of fuel and the inflation that will go along with it.

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Lol. Fuel prices will go up when people go back to work and demand picks up. Low fuel prices is a bad sign.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Lol. Fuel prices will go up when people go back to work and demand picks up. Low fuel prices is a bad sign.

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LOL. Nice pick and choose about how the economy works. Fuel prices were down when the economy was booming BEFORE the China Virus.

Excuse prepping for the double and triple in prices due to lack of supply is what you people do. Being liars is what you are good at.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

LOL. Nice pick and choose about how the economy works. Fuel prices were down when the economy was booming BEFORE the China Virus.

Excuse prepping for the double and triple in prices due to lack of supply is what you people do. Being liars is what you are good at.

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https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/

Look at the correlation between price and demand since the pandemic.

So? The prices were down BEFORE the China virus and pretty much since your boys Obama/Biden left office. Demand was up that entire time.

November 16

205,059 cases 6,139 deaths

818 in hosp 81 on vents


Numbers getting worse...

Sick people are getting sick w/China virus again, going in the hospital, and dying.

Masks are not being worn to the extent they were being worn back in the summer, but more importantly, people are not distancing.

Governor is about to put us back in phase 2. Shutting school down again is asinine.

Louisiana numbers have exploded! Too depressing to post the actuals, suffice it to say hosp is 1000+ and on vents is well over 100 again.

I give up. I will wear my mask, as will all those I can influence, and mind my own business...

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Louisiana numbers have exploded! Too depressing to post the actuals, suffice it to say hosp is 1000+ and on vents is well over 100 again.

I give up. I will wear my mask, as will all those I can influence, and mind my own business...

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Ain’t good...

It’s going to be a rough holiday season.

In spite ourselves, Louisiana is catching up to our neighboring states and the rest of the country.

Bad Orange Man did it.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Bad Orange Man did it.

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Going to be a pretty rough field to plow in the coming weeks, I’m afraid.

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Originally Posted by turbodawg

Going to be a pretty rough field to plow in the coming weeks, I’m afraid.

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Past for sick and susceptible people to stay home. I saw a 70thing guy at the post office on Friday. He was way over weight. No mask.

I see hundreds of these types in stores and on the streets.

If only Bad Orange Man had not hidden the dangers.

Bad Orange Man will be blamed for everything for the next 4 years...regardless of what it is. In this case, even if you are so stupid to believe it, how is Trump to blame for everything that has happened since about April or May? Everyone, by that time, knew the true nature of the China virus, how it spread, how potentially lethal it is. Anyone affected by the virus since then have only themselves, and/or local Dem politicians, to blame. Pelosi and the Dems have done nothing...less than nothing, actually, as they purposely tried to help the virus spread in hopes of wrecking Trump's re-election bid. But, one cannot truly blame them...because! again, everyone knew how to protect yourself, what to do, what not to do.

The party animals down the street have had two more gatherings this week. About a dozen or so on Thanksgiving Day, and a like number, slightly different folks, yesterday for some kind of football-watching, cookout. BTW, last year at this time they were HUGE LSU fans! Flying LSU flags, wearing puke purple/vomit yellow garb. This year they all seem to be Bama fans...imagine that. :icon_roll:

Anyway, none of that bunch, a group that includes close to 35-40 people all told, have contracted the China virus. They have had gatherings, no masks, eating from the same chip bowl and sharing other food, hugging on each other...yet, not a single one of them has gotten the virus, that they know of. Could be the whole bunch is infected, but are all asymptomatic. They laugh and scoff at those of us who wear masks. Saw a couple of our "neighbors" in town yesterday, they were maskless as usual, and made a remark about my granddaughter wearing a mask, who is 5.

Another BTW...earlier this week, I learned that wearing a mask is racist! We were going into the local Super One store and there was an older white woman, an employee, handing out masks to those not wearing one, saying you have to have a mask to enter the store. A black woman, late 20's, went ballistic. She yelled at the woman, "you are saying that because I'm black. Well, go "f--k yourself, you white bitch." The black woman pushed past a black male store employee who was trying to hand her a mask and pleading with her to take it. The black rebellious woman did take the mask, then promptly threw it on the floor. About 10 minutes later Natchitoches Police confronted the woman and asked her to leave the premises...OMG! it really hit the fan then. She did end up leaving the store. When we left, after shopping, about 20 minutes later, she was standing near the police cars...3 of them...and having a "discussion" with the officers. She was very animated....

I will say that generally speaking, blacks do a very good job of wearing masks. At least that's been my observation. Better than most whites, actually. But not that woman at the store!

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Past for sick and susceptible people to stay home. I saw a 70thing guy at the post office on Friday. He was way over weight. No mask.

I see hundreds of these types in stores and on the streets.

If only Bad Orange Man had not hidden the dangers.

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What should we do?

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Originally Posted by turbodawg

What should we do?

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The same thing we should have done back in April. If you are susceptible to death from or of China Virus, STAY HOME!

Punishing the healthy to protect those in danger is a ridiculous approach and especially when the rules don't apply or aren't enforced at large retail stores.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

The same thing we should have done back in April. If you are susceptible to death from or of China Virus, STAY HOME!

Punishing the healthy to protect those in danger is a ridiculous approach and especially when the rules don't apply or aren't enforced at large retail stores.

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Right, right. You say you see hundreds of susceptible people out and about, though. Not staying at home at all.

What should we do?

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Originally Posted by turbodawg

Right, right. You say you see hundreds of susceptible people out and about, though. Not staying at home at all.

What should we do?

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Nothing can or will be done.

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Nothing can or will be done.

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Correct -

It's up to individuals to make the right decisions - you can't delegate smarts or common sense

As you know, we had it in our household and it knocked me for a loop and my wife is a front line medical worker (NP) who has dealt with it since day one - but there are only so many bullets you can dodge until it gets you regardless of how careful you are or how careful you think you are being -

Lock downs are not the answer -

The simple answer is wash your damn hands, don't touch your face and for God's sake STAY HOME IF YOU HAVE A COUGH/SNEEZE/WHEEZE - more than likely its not sinus, its the virus and you will definitely know in two or three days

Masks are good to an extent if used properly in the correct sittings but they are far from fool proof and in the end improper use may cause more long-term lung damage than the virus itself

I've changed my mind about the vaccine after having it - I would take it tomorrow if available

And don't give me the asymptomatic mumbo jumbo - very very very little of the transmittal is by asymptomatic individuals - the communal spread is by the self-diagnosed "sinus suffers" in most cases

Live your life, mask up properly in public settings and wash your damn hands every chance you get

And long live steroids!

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Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden

Correct -

It's up to individuals to make the right decisions - you can't delegate smarts or common sense

As you know, we had it in our household and it knocked me for a loop and my wife is a front line medical worker (NP) who has dealt with it since day one - but there are only so many bullets you can dodge until it gets you regardless of how careful you are or how careful you think you are being -

Lock downs are not the answer -

The simple answer is wash your damn hands, don't touch your face and for God's sake STAY HOME IF YOU HAVE A COUGH/SNEEZE/WHEEZE - more than likely its not sinus, its the virus and you will definitely know in two or three days

Masks are good to an extent if used properly in the correct sittings but they are far from fool proof and in the end improper use may cause more long-term lung damage than the virus itself

I've changed my mind about the vaccine after having it - I would take it tomorrow if available

And don't give me the asymptomatic mumbo jumbo - very very very little of the transmittal is by asymptomatic individuals - the communal spread is by the self-diagnosed "sinus suffers" in most cases

Live your life, mask up properly in public settings and wash your damn hands every chance you get

And long live steroids!

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Leadership goes a long way. People with boots on the ground get it. Community leaders get it.

We need a that mess

age from the top. Of the chain.

And God bless those health care workers right now.

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Originally Posted by turbodawg

Leadership goes a long way. People with boots on the ground get it. Community leaders get it.

We need a that mess

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I'm a Parish Administrator - basically the top appointed official in the Parish

You can only put out viable, good information to your citizenry - it's up to the citizenry to do what's right

Much like a horse that you can lead to water - you can't make that horse drink regardless of what measures you take

I will say it again - the ONUS is on the individuals within the community

You can not legislate common sense

And folks its just not the bubbas that are anti-mask - we have a major issue with our younger minorities who refuse to wear masks and absolutely REFUSE to social distance at any point

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Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden

I'm a Parish Administrator - basically the top appointed official in the Parish

You can only put out viable, good information to your citizenry - it's up to the citizenry to do what's right

Much like a horse that you can lead to water - you can't make that horse drink regardless of what measures you take

I will say it again - the ONUS is on the individuals within the community

You can not legislate common sense

And folks its just not the bubbas that are anti-mask - we have a major issue with our younger minorities who refuse to wear masks and absolutely REFUSE to social distance at any point

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Yeah, but you weren’t the one that turned wearing masks into a political statement, making people want to resist the public health effort. And although we on BB&B follow you, you don’t enjoy the same largest megaphone in the world as the one that made mask-refusing an identity politics badge.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Yeah, but you weren’t the one that turned wearing masks into a political statement, making people want to resist the public health effort. And although we on BB&B follow you, you don’t enjoy the same largest megaphone in the world as the one that made mask-refusing an identity politics badge.

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You think these people not wearing masks or wearing them improperly are following an example set by Trump? Idiots like your hero mayor of Austin are the ones showing the real lack of leadership. He is one of many Socialist leaders setting bad examples

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

You think these people not wearing masks or wearing them improperly are following an example set by Trump? Idiots like your hero mayor of Austin are the ones showing the real lack of leadership. He is one of many Socialist leaders setting bad examples

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Not my hero and they deserve criticism, too.

There is no doubt that many folks have not been wearing masks because they were proud to stand for Trump (along with his family and other Republican leaders). If Trump would have been an advocate and leader for masks like Biden, far more people would be wearing it. You cannot really deny this fact.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

You cannot really deny this fact.

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That’s your Trump hate speaking your opinion not a fact. Your people are the followers not Trump supporters. If conservatives don’t mask up I assure you it had NOTHING to do with what Trump did or said. Lower yourself to go check out a local Walmart or Super One if you want to see who is not masking or distancing.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

That’s your Trump hate speaking your opinion not a fact. Your people are the followers not Trump supporters. If conservatives don’t mask up I assure you it had NOTHING to do with what Trump did or said. Lower yourself to go check out a local Walmart or Super One if you want to see who is not masking or distancing.

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Exactly! The commie and regressive Libs are the followers/sheeple.

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That’s your Trump hate speaking your opinion not a fact. Your people are the followers not Trump supporters. If conservatives don’t mask up I assure you it had NOTHING to do with what Trump did or said. Lower yourself to go check out a local Walmart or Super One if you want to see who is not masking or distancing.

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I shop with the Trumpers at WalMart instead of the liberals at Whole Foods or Trader Joe’s. Trumpers are the problem here.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Yeah, but you weren’t the one that turned wearing masks into a political statement, making people want to resist the public health effort. And although we on BB&B follow you, you don’t enjoy the same largest megaphone in the world as the one that made mask-refusing an identity politics badge.

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Dude everyone is responsible for their own actions - atleast with most sane/reasonable people

I will say it again - the vast amount of non compilers in my part of the world didn’t vote for Trump....

How do you account for them...

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Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden

Dude everyone is responsible for their own actions - atleast with most sane/reasonable people

I will say it again - the vast amount of non compilers in my part of the world didn’t vote for Trump....

How do you account for them...

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Didn’t say people aren’t responsible, but leadership also matters.

Are you sure they didn’t vote for Trump? Trump carried Webster Parrish handily.

Of course if the vast majority of folks are not wearing masks, it doesn’t really make much of a difference if the minority is from a community spread/ impact perspective.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Of course if the vast majority of folks are not wearing masks, it doesn’t really make much of a difference if the minority is from a community spread/ impact perspective.

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You always leave out the most important part...DISTANCING. That's not happening in Walmart, Target, etc..

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

You always leave out the most important part...DISTANCING. That's not happening in Walmart, Target, etc..

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It isn’t crowded when I go, so your experience might be different.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

It isn’t crowded when I go, so your experience might be different.

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That's because when people see you coming, they run screaming for the exits!

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Are you sure they didn’t vote for Trump? Trump carried Webster Parrish handily.

Of course if the vast majority of folks are not wearing masks, it doesn’t really make much of a difference if the minority is from a community spread/ impact perspective.

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I'd be willing to bet donuts to dollars -

Trump carried most every rural parish/county...

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

The same thing we should have done back in April. If you are susceptible to death from or of China Virus, STAY HOME!

Punishing the healthy to protect those in danger is a ridiculous approach and especially when the rules don't apply or aren't enforced at large retail stores.

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I agree with most of this, but the biggest concern I have, is there have been so many people, that KNOW they have it, and still go out everywhere because they don't feel sick. I do have a high risk child that is not in school, and we take the responsibility to be careful, but not shut-down. I absolutely believe churches should be open, but do believe they need to be a little more responsible with it- at least the ones I am familiar with. I am sure there are some that do a better job of distancing. I miss going to church more than anything else we have lost during this year, but there is no way we could go there safely, so we watch on-line each Sunday. People are all going to have to do what works for them and their families- thinking of those they will impact if they get it. For example, my daughter in college came home for Thanksgiving, but was tested the day before she came home to make sure she wasn't bringing that home with her. No, that isn't reasonable all the time, but common sense goes a long way.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

You always leave out the most important part...DISTANCING. That's not happening in Walmart, Target, etc..

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The most hilarious pictures I have seen over all this are the people lined up to go into Sam's or Walmart. They can only have so many in the store, so they line up, with no distance at all to wait to social distance when they get inside. I don't understand the sheep mentality of that- but then when you think of the idiots that voted for Joe, maybe I should expect it.

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Originally Posted by Cal&Ken

I agree with most of this, but the biggest concern I have, is there have been so many people, that KNOW they have it, and still go out everywhere because they don't feel sick. I do have a high risk child that is not in school, and we take the responsibility to be careful, but not shut-down. I absolutely believe churches should be open, but do believe they need to be a little more responsible with it- at least the ones I am familiar with. I am sure there are some that do a better job of distancing. I miss going to church more than anything else we have lost during this year, but there is no way we could go there safely, so we watch on-line each Sunday. People are all going to have to do what works for them and their families- thinking of those they will impact if they get it. For example, my daughter in college came home for Thanksgiving, but was tested the day before she came home to make sure she wasn't bringing that home with her. No, that isn't reasonable all the time, but common sense goes a long way.

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A understand and agree. Some of us like you and my family have had to make sacrifices to keep some of our loved ones safe. I agree about the church thing. Going to church without hugs and handshakes is not church IMO, so we are not participating out of respect to those who we might unknowingly infect.

This will pass soon. The design and reaction to China Virus was successful to a point, but America will survive.

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Originally Posted by Cal&Ken

I agree with most of this, but the biggest concern I have, is there have been so many people, that KNOW they have it, and still go out everywhere because they don't feel sick. I do have a high risk child that is not in school, and we take the responsibility to be careful, but not shut-down. I absolutely believe churches should be open, but do believe they need to be a little more responsible with it- at least the ones I am familiar with. I am sure there are some that do a better job of distancing. I miss going to church more than anything else we have lost during this year, but there is no way we could go there safely, so we watch on-line each Sunday. People are all going to have to do what works for them and their families- thinking of those they will impact if they get it. For example, my daughter in college came home for Thanksgiving, but was tested the day before she came home to make sure she wasn't bringing that home with her. No, that isn't reasonable all the time, but common sense goes a long way.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

A understand and agree. Some of us like you and my family have had to make sacrifices to keep some of our loved ones safe. I agree about the church thing. Going to church without hugs and handshakes is not church IMO, so we are not participating out of respect to those who we might unknowingly infect.

This will pass soon. The design and reaction to China Virus was successful to a point, but America will survive.

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I think churches are an example where good leadership could certainly make a difference. People model the behavior of their leaders. Many churches are just flat out not adhering to the mask mandate (in direct violation of Romans 13...at least in Louisiana). Countless more have "policy" that they don't enforce (in effect violation of Rom 13).

I get it. Enforcement is uncomfortable and often requires difficult conversations, but churches have a great built-in "excuse" to enforce the mandates and yet, many balk. We attended our church once during the pandemic and it was clear that the policy was just words on a page. Very disappointing for those that are supposed to care for the "least of these".

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

I think churches are an example where good leadership could certainly make a difference. People model the behavior of their leaders. Many churches are just flat out not adhering to the mask mandate (in direct violation of Romans 13...at least in Louisiana). Countless more have "policy" that they don't enforce (in effect violation of Rom 13).

I get it. Enforcement is uncomfortable and often requires difficult conversations, but churches have a great built-in "excuse" to enforce the mandates and yet, many balk. We attended our church once during the pandemic and it was clear that the policy was just words on a page. Very disappointing for those that are supposed to care for the "least of these".

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But the party you voted for believes in the total “separation of church and state” so......... Hum....
the California Governor and NY’s idiot Governor and NYC mayor sure don’t seem to believe that statement except when it fits their ideology.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

I think churches are an example where good leadership could certainly make a difference. People model the behavior of their leaders. Many churches are just flat out not adhering to the mask mandate (in direct violation of Romans 13...at least in Louisiana). Countless more have "policy" that they don't enforce (in effect violation of Rom 13).

I get it. Enforcement is uncomfortable and often requires difficult conversations, but churches have a great built-in "excuse" to enforce the mandates and yet, many balk. We attended our church once during the pandemic and it was clear that the policy was just words on a page. Very disappointing for those that are supposed to care for the "least of these".

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But the party you voted for believes in the total “separation of church and state” so......... Hum....so why are they mandating churches (especially Christian and Jewish as no word or report of Islamic ones) to cancel services?
The California Governor and NY’s idiot Governor and NYC mayor sure don’t seem to believe the “separation” statement they tout except when it fits their ideology.

Ray, that’s one of the pillars of OUR denomination.

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Ray, that’s one of the pillars of OUR denomination.

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Yes.
My point was how wrong they are with it’s true meaning and yet hypocritical with their definition of it at the same time.

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I think churches are an example where good leadership could certainly make a difference. People model the behavior of their leaders. Many churches are just flat out not adhering to the mask mandate (in direct violation of Romans 13...at least in Louisiana). Countless more have "policy" that they don't enforce (in effect violation of Rom 13).

I get it. Enforcement is uncomfortable and often requires difficult conversations, but churches have a great built-in "excuse" to enforce the mandates and yet, many balk. We attended our church once during the pandemic and it was clear that the policy was just words on a page. Very disappointing for those that are supposed to care for the "least of these".

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Romans 13 got a lot of folks killed in New York when they listened to Cuomo.

Forgot to mention what it did to a lot of folks in Germany during WW2. I suppose Anne Frank herself was ratted out by someone submitting to the governing authorities.

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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow

Romans 13 got a lot of folks killed in New York when they listened to Cuomo.

Forgot to mention what it did to a lot of folks in Germany during WW2. I suppose Anne Frank herself was ratted out by someone submitting to the governing authorities.

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Yes, our denomination is leaning the wrong way politically. Romans 13 has been great for selective political causes since our founders did the un-Christian thing over 200 years ago. We should destroy all the monuments that glorify them as former great leaders of/in our nation.

Well, well...not one, but two, of the neighborhood party animals have posted they tested positive for....antibodies for the China virus! (SARS CoVid2). They are "high-fiving" each other via Facebook and saying they are free to party now. Umm, they haven't stopped partying! Hello! They had the virus but were asymptomatic. As are (were) everyone else of the 40+ animals in that circle of loonies.

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Well, well...not one, but two, of the neighborhood party animals have posted they tested positive for....antibodies for the China virus! (SARS CoVid2). They are "high-fiving" each other via Facebook and saying they are free to party now. Umm, they haven't stopped partying! Hello! They had the virus but were asymptomatic. As are (were) everyone else of the 40+ animals in that circle of loonies.

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Dang mess right there. High fives for all...

Read earlier today Dr. Abraham’s successor for Louisiana’s 05 seat in the House was hospitalized for COVID.

Dang, that’s a mess.

As a member of the board of directors for NRMC I have been advised that after January 4th, at any time of my choosing, I can schedule to get the vaccine, and then the follow-up shot afterwards. There are very specific instructions, such as adhering to a very tight timetable. The Natchitoches Medical Center lacks the necessary capacity of deep, cold storage and is working from a joint facility supplying the region. Under regular refrigeration the vaccine has an effective shelf life of just 5 days, and a mere few hours once removed from the cooling storage. So, don't be late for your shot! we are told.

I am conflicted. Every year I hate getting the flu shot...but do, and have never regretted getting it, but have in years when I did not. Two things, 1) have a measure of guilt, of privilege, being afforded this opportunity for sitting on a board, and 2) some apprehension re: side effects not yet revealed!

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have a measure of guilt, of privilege, being afforded this opportunity for sitting on a board

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Well, just remember that you came after AOC. Perspective. You came after that POS!

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Read earlier today Dr. Abraham’s successor for Louisiana’s 05 seat in the House was hospitalized for COVID.

Dang, that’s a mess.

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Rep-elect Letlow was moved to ICU in Shreevesport.

Dang mess.

Luke Letlow passed away.

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Luke Letlow passed away.

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He was a 2003 Tech grad...just a year ahead of me. Sad stuff.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

He was a 2003 Tech grad...just a year ahead of me. Sad stuff.

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2 years before me. Brings it home.

Dang mess.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

The same thing we should have done back in April. If you are susceptible to death from or of China Virus, STAY HOME!

Punishing the healthy to protect those in danger is a ridiculous approach and especially when the rules don't apply or aren't enforced at large retail stores.

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I authorized my 81 year old Mom's vaccine. Sadly the nursing home says they can't force employees or residents to be vaccinated. The very people who need to be vaccinated to protect themselves and those they serve are not mandated to be vaccinated.

Biden will figure it out.

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November 16

205,059 cases 6,139 deaths

818 in hosp 81 on vents


Numbers getting worse...

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This is the last detailed post I made with the numbers.

Now...

February 12, 2021

418,585 cases 9,276 deaths

1,001 in hosp 101 on vents


Hopefully, we'll start to see real improvement in the numbers soon.

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I authorized my 81 year old Mom's vaccine. Sadly the nursing home says they can't force employees or residents to be vaccinated. The very people who need to be vaccinated to protect themselves and those they serve are not mandated to be vaccinated.

Biden will figure it out.

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The reason being is that the vaccine has not been approved by the FDA. Until that happens, a vaccine can not be mandated to an employee, only offered. Right now the FDA has approved emergency use authorization only.

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This is the last detailed post I made with the numbers.

Now...

February 12, 2021

418,585 cases 9,276 deaths

1,001 in hosp 101 on vents


Hopefully, we'll start to see real improvement in the numbers soon.

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February 26

428,592 cases 9,587 deaths

651 in hosp 95 on vents

Perhaps a little reason for optimism?

March 3

588 in hosp 78 on vents

March 8

534 in hosp 78 on vents

What's up with patients still being on ventilators? There are treatments for the China virus and better practices/procedures to use than ventilators.

Still need people sick or dying of the China virus rather than with

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March 8

534 in hosp 78 on vents

What's up with patients still being on ventilators? There are treatments for the China virus and better practices/procedures to use than ventilators.

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Louisiana hospitals/healthcare

March 17 Happy St. Patrick's Day!

446 in hosp 66 on vents

There are no more "high risk" parishes/cities in central and north Louisiana. The only remaining "high risk" areas are New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Lafayette, and Lake Charles.

Actually, scratch that, it isn't Lafayette, it's St. Mary's Parish south of there, and it's not Orleans or Jefferson parishes, it's St. Bernard.

March 22

399 in hosp 68 on vents

Our Governor still not letting us visit nursing homes. Says some workers there did not take the shots so they are protecting them. Freakin’ idiots!

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Our Governor still not letting us visit nursing homes. Says some workers there did not take the shots so they are protecting them. Freakin’ idiots!

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So are those workers who did not take the shots under strict quarantine and not allowed to see anyone else outside of the nursing home patients? This doesn't make common sense..

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So are those workers who did not take the shots under strict quarantine and not allowed to see anyone else outside of the nursing home patients? This doesn't make common sense..

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of course not. Most of them have black skin which exempts them and all others from logical discussions