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PawDawg
One person is all you got and that is NOT what he said.
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While hydroxychloroquine is likely to be safe for 90 percent of the population, Ackerman said, it could pose serious and potentially lethal risks to a small number of those susceptible to heart conditions, especially those with other chronic medical problems already on multiple medications.
Being safe for 90% of the population isn’t safe by any stretch.
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In fact, a small recent study showed that up to 11 percent of coronavirus patients on hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin are in the so-called "red zone" for potential cardiac side effects.
"They've entered the danger zone," Ackerman said. "That is not just my hunch that patients are going to be reacting to this drug — but they are reacting to this drug."
I don’t think you know what the word “safe” means.
And there is the fact that it did kill some COVID patients in the French study.
But apparently medical advice is now party of the Republican Party platform.
Re: Covid - 19 - Louisiana Edition
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PawDawg
I love it that Rachel or one of CNN's peeps has not giving you more Trump hate to feed off of regarding this treatment.
How 'bout those algorithms you were so excited about last week? So many fewer have died than you hoped for. That has to be upsetting.
Way more have died than I hoped and that needed to die. Hopefully, Trump listens more to his medical experts this time when reopening the economy or it will get even worse.
His delays of listening to the medical experts last time is to blame for thousands of those that have died now. Blood on his hands and those that put this moron in charge, cause you really should have known he couldn’t be trusted to handle something like this. It is kind of like hiring the town drunk to drive a schoolbus.
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I'm a bit confused on this drug thingy. I've seen two mentioned, one the hydrochorine...whatever, and the other Azithmyrocin, or some such. One, or pehaps both, is the anti-malaria drug. So, which one has Goosey all upset...or is it both?
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And then when it comes to it effectiveness, there is at least some doubt -
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“The data are really just, at best, suggestive,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told CBS’s Face the Nation on April 5. “There have been cases that show there may be an effect, and there are others to show there’s no effect. So I think, in terms of science, I don’t think we could definitively say it works.”
Of course, normally when a reporter tries to ask Fauci about this during their joint briefings, Trump tries to block him from answering it because Fauci isn’t fully on board with the new Republican Party line.
Re: Covid - 19 - Louisiana Edition
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dawg80
I'm a bit confused on this drug thingy. I've seen two mentioned, one the hydrochorine...whatever, and the other Azithmyrocin, or some such. One, or pehaps both, is the anti-malaria drug. So, which one has Goosey all upset...or is it both?
Hydroxychloroquine is for malaria, lupus, RA.
Azithmyrocin is an antibiotic for fighting some serious secondary infections.
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Another study finding it was ineffective, one patient died, and causing cardiac effects in another causing them to stop treatment.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...858?via%3Dihub
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Guisslapp
Being safe for 90% of the population isn’t safe by any stretch.
I don’t think you know what the word “safe” means.
And there is the fact that it did kill some COVID patients in the French study.
But apparently medical advice is now party of the Republican Party platform.
10% and blindness? Four deaths in thousands of dosages. You got NOTHING!
Re: Covid - 19 - Louisiana Edition
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Originally Posted by
PawDawg
10% and blindness? Four deaths in thousands of dosages. You got NOTHING!
No, you are the one that has nothing. Literally. Even Fauci says it has been proven effective.
From the French study:
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53 cases of cardiac adverse effects were thus analyzed, including 43 cases with hydroxychloroquine, alone or in combination (in particular with azithromycin). They are classified into three categories: 7 cases of sudden death, including 3 "recovered" by external electric shock, ten disorders of the electrocardiographic rhythm or cardiac symptoms evoking them as syncopes, and conduction disorders including lengthening of the QT interval, favorable evolution after stopping treatment.
This initial assessment shows that the risks, in particular cardiovascular, associated with these treatments are very present and potentially increased in COVID-19 patients.
So it really is more than 4 cases...it is a lie to represent that this drug isn’t dangerous.
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Guisslapp
Hydroxychloroquine is for malaria, lupus, RA.
Azithmyrocin is an antibiotic for fighting some serious secondary infections.
Hydroxyc. has been used for decades to treat malaria, and then for Lupus, RA, and some other illnesses. Clinical study after clinical study deemed it safe for anyone, including for children and pregnant women. Every single study said the worst someone might experience are mild symptoms, non life-threatening. But now, all of a sudden, it's some highly dangerous drug!? Nah! anyone making such claims have ulterior motives.
Now, how effective is it fighting C-19? Well, there aren't any completed clinical studies on that, yet. But we do know it has been used and there have been positive results. And no side effects at all. IF this drug had dangerous side effects they would have been declared and documented decades ago. I did a quick Internet search and found a study from 1984 that stated hyrdoxyc. was perfectly safe. Other studies since then, as the drug expanded from treating malaria to treating Lupus and RA, all say the same thing...no serious side effects.
But now, all of sudden, it's highly dangerous? It WILL, without question, KILL people!??? Really? So, decades of research and documented safe use, clinical study after clinical study, mean nothing, but a couple of examples in France...with NO CLINICAL STUDY...declares the drug too dangerous to use. Hmmm....who is ignoring medical science here? :icon_roll:
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Originally Posted by
dawg80
Hydroxyc. has been used for decades to treat malaria, and then for Lupus, RA, and some other illnesses. Clinical study after clinical study deemed it safe for anyone, including for children and pregnant women. Every single study said the worst someone might experience are mild symptoms, non life-threatening. But now, all of a sudden, it's some highly dangerous drug!? Nah! anyone making such claims have ulterior motives.
Now, how effective is it fighting C-19? Well, there aren't any completed clinical studies on that, yet. But we do know it has been used and there have been positive results. And no side effects at all. IF this drug had dangerous side effects they would have been declared and documented decades ago. I did a quick Internet search and found a study from 1984 that stated hyrdoxyc. was perfectly safe. Other studies since then, as the drug expanded from treating malaria to treating Lupus and RA, all say the same thing...no serious side effects.
But now, all of sudden, it's highly dangerous? It WILL, without question, KILL people!??? Really? So, decades of research and documented safe use, clinical study after clinical study, mean nothing, but a couple of examples in France...with NO CLINICAL STUDY...declares the drug too dangerous to use. Hmmm....who is ignoring medical science here? :icon_roll:
Hydroxychloroquine has always been contraindicated for certain risk groups, which happens to be the same risk groups for having severe complications with COVID.
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5...traindications
Not saying it isn’t worth a try in an emergency when it seems like you are out of other options or if you are in the population group that is at lower risk for having complications. It just so happens that with COVID about 10 percent of the people that are hospitalized are in the danger zone for this drug.
And we don’t even know that this drug works. There is also evidence that it is ineffective.
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If medical science says, and has said (although I have not found any articles that agree) certain groups, like 70+ or folks with certain medical conditions should not be given this drug, that it represents a greater risk than trying to beat C-19 for those patients, that is one thing. But, it is curious those concerns didn't seem to matter decades ago. And what, 10% of those with C-19 are in the "danger zone" for use of this drug to fight the virus, so that means the other 90% are just, "tough shit, buddy, you're out of luck!" That is so stupid it is lunacy!
All anyone, including President Trump, who have advocated for its use has said, is to have patients' doctors make the final decision. That's the way ALL medical decisions are made! If YOUR doctor tells you, that using this drug represents an unwarranted risk, I would think you would say, "Okay, Doc...so what are my other options?" We all know that is exactly how this will go, in every case, and the criticism of its advocacy, especially aimed at Trump, is all politically motivated and is not rooted in medical science.
Stop saying "we don't even know that this drug works." Yes, we do know. Doctors in New Orleans are routinely administering it because they say it is working. And my football friend walked out of the hospital last week a mere 48 hours after he and his wife were told "get your affairs in order. He was given the drug and it worked!
I understand it's not all one way or the other. For some patients inflicted with C-19 there are other factors. ANY drug, this one or some other, may not work for them, and/or may cause complications when the cure is worst than the disease. Each case needs to be assessed on its own merits. But, based on what we know right now, this hydroxyc. drug appears to be a good stop-gap measure. And curing 90% of those inflicted without serious side effects rises to the level of a GREAT stop-gap measure! Then afterwards, medical personnel and researchers will have more time and resources to try to help the remaining 10%.
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Fauci says he doesn’t know the drug works.
Literally no one is saying that physicians should not use the drug if they think it will work for their patient. Some studies show it is effective and some show the opposite. There hasn’t been real clinical studies, so there is a higher degree of uncertainty.
Physicians will have to manage their way through this. They are allowed to prescribe it, so I don’t know what more you need in the interim.
Saying it isn’t dangerous or that it is “safe” or that it is “proven effective” is just ignorance, though.
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Originally Posted by
Guisslapp
Fauci says he doesn’t know the drug works.
Literally no one is saying that physicians should not use the drug if they think it will work for their patient. Some studies show it is effective and some show the opposite. There hasn’t been real clinical studies, so there is a higher degree of uncertainty.
Physicians will have to manage their way through this. They are allowed to prescribe it, so I don’t know what more you need in the interim.
Saying it isn’t dangerous or that it is “safe” or that it is “proven effective” is just ignorance, though.
Saying it is dangerous or not safe or not proven effective is ignorance. Fauci is big Pharma through and through. He wants a vaccine...period.
French doctor, Didier Raoult met with France’s Premier Emmanuel Macron last night to present a new paper that studied 1,061 COVID-19 patients that were treated early with hydroxchloroquine and azithromycin (z-pac). He found that those on this drug protocol met with 92% excellent outcomes (they were free of the virus within 10 days). He also found the drug protocol to be very safe for patients with low side effects, and that there was a correlation with the amount of hydroxychloroquine found in the blood and success rates.
Re: Covid - 19 - Louisiana Edition
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PawDawg
Saying it is dangerous or not safe or not proven effective is ignorance. Fauci is big Pharma through and through. He wants a vaccine...period.
French doctor, Didier Raoult met with France’s Premier Emmanuel Macron last night to present a new paper that studied 1,061 COVID-19 patients that were treated early with hydroxchloroquine and azithromycin (z-pac). He found that those on this drug protocol met with 92% excellent outcomes (they were free of the virus within 10 days). He also found the drug protocol to be very safe for patients with low side effects, and that there was a correlation with the amount of hydroxychloroquine found in the blood and success rates.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...outed-by-trump
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dawg80
April 12
20,595 cases 840 deaths positive testing rate at 19.8%
2,084 hosp 458 on ventilators
Suppose to be at or very close to the apex, so these numbers are showing some signs of encouragement.
April 13
21,016 cases 884 deaths testing rate at 19.4%
2,134 hosp 461 on ventilators
