For the record, money spent at Sonic (particularly at happy hour) is always spent in good faith.
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For the record, money spent at Sonic (particularly at happy hour) is always spent in good faith.
Not happening, but keep up the good work mentioned in my favorite Bible verse...James 1:27.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
It's too close to my house.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
It's just too easy to pop in and use the app (so that it's always happy hour)! So tempting.
You don’t believe they are raising money by promising something that is all but impossible?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Which part isn't happening?Quote:
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I agree that there are some assumptions being made about who is sending in the money (probably semi-reasonable assumptions, but I know I haven't seen any data on this, nor have I actually looked).
Or are you saying that people aren't being sold a result that is unlikely (at best)?
Do you think most donors are wealthy people who understand that the almost certain outcome of their donation is simply attorney bills and campaign cost offsets? That's possible. And of course it's totally fine that they spend their money however they want.
But really, what isn't happening?
You guys are judging the givers and the takers based on what you believe.
I believe they can/should give to whatever they want to give to.
I think what really bothers you guys is that bad orange man will not go away quietly. He will continue to get support from 50% of the population which includes 90% of the American work force. I think it drives you nuts that you can't control their thought process like the democrats can control their mindless robots.
Who's judging the givers?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
And, after your last three sentences, you sure we're the ones making unjustified judgements?
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Exactly! Or those that give to Planned Parenthood, Dem. Party or Biden. That doesn't obviously bother these guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
The Socialist and Communist mindset can’t handle someone being able to give money to anyone or organization they don’t think is right nor should it be allowed. In fact that’s the government’s money. I’m afraid some above don’t understand the path they are taking right now.
It only takes one state to start going in the right direction- and maybe it will not happen in time, but the chance is worth it for me and many others. Even an idiot can see this was ripe for fraud. Whether you believe there is fraud is something different. I do believe it was, and I have donated MY money. I am guessing Don doesn't give a crap what you think, and the millions of others of us don't either. Hello, I have a job, and I get to spend it however I want. The arrogance of your post disgusts me!Quote:
Originally Posted by inudesu
I suppose the good news here about the arrogance of my post (or not) is that we're going to see, right? Not working too well so far, but there is always a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cal&Ken
If you're donating in the hopes that first one state and then another changes their results to the point that Trump wins the election, and you've weighed the odds of that happening and think it's worth it, sure. I've said over and over that I do not think any of these claims has been valid to the point of overturning anything, much less the hundreds of thousands of votes it would take to change the overall result. So far, every court has said the same. And we're kind of up against it at this point.
But OAN and Newsmax and Rudy and Donald and the Kracken and some kind of pillow guy (right? I'm not following this close enough to know who this guy is, but for some reason I occasionally see someone quoted on twitter who invented a pillow or something? IDK) are saying there is something there, they just never really seem to say the same level of things in court for some (obvious) reason.
When we talk about football on this site, we argue our points. "no, this guy should be the starter that other can't run well enough" or whatever. We're talking about the merits of the case(s) and the media narratives that drive either skepticism (me) or trust (you, apparently). So in that context, donating to the cause came up. To the extent that most taking part are pretty convinced of their case, every comment in the discussion is "arrogant."
To circle back to my analogy from before, if I want to buy your neighbor's used car and you and I are chatting, I'd hope you would mention that you don't think it runs. I can still buy it (it's my money) and how reasonable your reasons are vs. your neighbor's selling points is up to me to determine (your neighbor may not be happy with you, on the other hand if I buy a lemon and you knew, I might be mad in that case).
Again - I understand donating and I understand (as I may have mentioned) that you can use your money however you want. I even understand donating based on principle in support of a lost cause. I'm just throwing out there that if you think it's a lost cause (you obviously don't, that's the point) you could probably give more directly to the cause (either directly to Trump or to election reform causes or your local election board). But those are just suggestions. If you think your donation will get Donald Trump back in power as president for another term (and that's what you want) then OF COURSE you are free to try. But I just don't think it's going to happen. We've been going round and round on these threads about why or why not, people will obviously make up their own minds. I'm just making my point.
Sorry for the disgust.
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In case it isn't clear, that point has been conceded. Spend your money how you like, my advice (which you can take or not as you like) is that this particular way of spending your money is unlikely to get the result you are seeking, but if you disagree or don't care about the end result (are not giving your money predicated on an expectation of Trump necessarily winning) or if you are 50/50 but think there is just the slightest chance that it might pay off -by all means. I cannot tell you how to spend your money. But in the (very mild) vein of "hey guys, you should buy this book, it's great" or "don't buy a ticket for this movie, it stinks" sense of suggesting what will probably happen should you spend your money in a certain way - and in that sense only - I think this is a poor investment, because I think there is no case here, the election was legal, the legal challenges will (continue to) fail, and Biden will be president.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cal&Ken
And then, yeah. Some governmental policies will go a different way from what you (and often I) would prefer. That's for sure.
What is more disgusting is the idea that one thinks giving money might actually work. That is a disgusting proposition, because it means that you would be hoping to overturn people’s votes (the will of the people) in favor of the state government picking their own slate of electors.
Just because you aren’t happy with an election result is a poor excuse to try to destroy our democratic traditions. It is unAmerican.
Trump is stress testing our election system right now (and the idea of democracy, in general). It isn’t working, but harm is being done.
The Supreme Court (and lower courts for that matter) have made it clear in they are going to try to protect what makes America.
Shows how absolutely it was to ever trust this maniac with the power of the executive branch.
I do think the judicial system is holding up like champs right now. Look at how many blistering opinions have come from conservative or at least conservative appointed judges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I think a lot of the legislative branch would say one thing privately but are cowards (they're not saying anything to me personally, so again - it's about what media you trust). No shock there. Hard to expect them to be anything more than politicians.