Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign
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Originally Posted by
Cool Hand Clyde
Both groups are as responsible for our ills as are the Democrats.
I don't know (or particularly care) what you consider me. In general, I'm conservative. I'm certainly ideologically driven. I've not decided exactly what I'm going to do. The only thing I know for a fact is that I'm not going to vote for Hillary.
Your quoted statement does make me wonder who all you blame for our current problems. If my count is correct, you've named democrats (as a whole), establishment republicans (characterized by pragmatism and moderation...much like DT), and convictional conservatives. Who has had it right?
Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign
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Originally Posted by
Cal&Ken
I am curious who you think that is? I don't see that there is any other realistic chance of winning anything. Trump is truly the only thing that can turn around the insanity. Do I like him- nope, not at all. However, I do believe we will be safer and the changes he will make will make us in a better place than we are today. There is no other vote to make, so I am voting my beliefs. Quite frankly, I don't see how you can choose anything else. I have no thought that he is what I would choose - I supported Cruz in the primary. Trump to me is the ONLY option.
I'm glad you asked. I think you've bought in to the narrative that we only have two choices. People who buy that line use words like "realistic" and "practically".
I've been one who has said I wouldn't vote for someone who is pro-abortion. I won't violate my conscience on that despite the practical and realistic ramifications. A convictional conservative MIGHT say that Trump, who has a history of being a big government moderate, is someone that would require them to violate their conscience.
They might also say that they would rather lose this election and have a candidate that they can heartily support on the next go round.
One this is for sure, those who stand to benefit from my vote ALWAYS tell me it's too serious this time to submit a protest vote. The result has been progressively worse candidates. I'm relatively young. I'd like, at least once before I die, to have nominee that I'm proud to vote for.
Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign
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Originally Posted by
maverick
Did Trump's campaign really not see the criticisms over these things coming?
1) the similarity of Mrs. Trump's speech to Mrs. Obama's 2008 speech; and
2)
An unauthorised use at the Republican Convention against our wishes - Queen
While it certainly looks like someone intentionally lifted portions of MO's speech, I really couldn't care less. With everything else we have to be concerned with as a nation right now, this is dead last on my list.
However, if you're going to bring up speeches, I'll leave this here for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vACOtmwckGc
Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign
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Originally Posted by
Dowty
Tu quoque
Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign
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Originally Posted by
johnnylightnin
I'm glad you asked. I think you've bought in to the narrative that we only have two choices. People who buy that line use words like "realistic" and "practically".
I've been one who has said I wouldn't vote for someone who is pro-abortion. I won't violate my conscience on that despite the practical and realistic ramifications. A convictional conservative MIGHT say that Trump, who has a history of being a big government moderate, is someone that would require them to violate their conscience.
They might also say that they would rather lose this election and have a candidate that they can heartily support on the next go round.
One this is for sure, those who stand to benefit from my vote ALWAYS tell me it's too serious this time to submit a protest vote. The result has been progressively worse candidates. I'm relatively young. I'd like, at least once before I die, to have nominee that I'm proud to vote for.
I guess at the end of the day though, a third party vote is simply a wasted vote for Hillary. Given 2 choices, I choose the better of the 2, and like it or not, there are only 2 to choose from. Anything else is simply a vote for Hillary. Third party voters are saying you accept more criminal activity, more disrespect of police officers, and an unsafe environment for our children. I hate that anyone is willing to make that choice- I know I will not, and I am absolutely voting my convictions with no regret.
Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign
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Originally Posted by
johnnylightnin
Tu quoque
Liberal logic doesn't allow for them to consider what The Chosen One has done, only for everyone else to fall in line.
Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign
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Originally Posted by
Cal&Ken
Given 2 choices, I choose the better of the 2, and like it or not, there are only 2 to choose from.
That's called a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign
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Originally Posted by
Dowty
Liberal logic doesn't allow for them to consider what The Chosen One has done, only for everyone else to fall in line.
Tu quoque is the fallacy of the day...for liberals and, since the Melania debacle, republicans as well.
Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign
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Originally Posted by
T1
They were all Obama supporters 8 years ago though. They were wise enough to vote against him in his re-election however. That falls directly in line with who I think Trump is. They don't have principles that guide them. How can someone vote for Obama and for Romney? What does that say about them? Tells me they don't have a political clue.
I don't know what they did 4-8 years ago. All I can go by is what they're saying now. I definitely know what you'll get when you vote for Hillary Clinton, 4 more years of Obama and a supreme court that rules the country like a dictator.
Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign
No doubt about that. And probably several scandals and possible impeachment trial (which she will beat somehow).
Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign
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Originally Posted by
johnnylightnin
... since the Melania debacle, republicans as well.
Is not a debacle unless it cost them votes. It has drawn attention to something many of us would not have noticed otherwise. I think I'm in the majority of folks who were not upset at all by it.
What I did notice is what a beautiful and gracious person Melania is. That's without comparing her to the USA hating Michelle and the loud, obnoxious, satanic, Hillary.
Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign
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Originally Posted by
maddawg
Is not a debacle unless it cost them votes. It has drawn attention to something many of us would not have noticed otherwise. I think I'm in the majority of folks who were not upset at all by it.
What I did notice is what a beautiful and gracious person Melania is. That's without comparing her to the USA hating Michelle and the loud, obnoxious, satanic, Hillary.
It's certainly not a big deal beyond the fact that it was incredibly stupid. Doesn't that bother Trump supporters? Doesn't it bother them that the campaign would do something so foolish? Everyone on the planet knows that these women don't write a word of what they say in these types of speeches. How in the world did this pass through the team that was tasked with creating it?
Are they actually trying to win? I'm really beginning to wonder.
Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign
She did a fantastic job delivering that speech. As a foreign born citizen, she would bring appreciation, dignity, and humility to a position that has lacked those qualities for 8 years.
Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign
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Originally Posted by
johnnylightnin
How in the world did this pass through the team that was tasked with creating it?
Are they actually trying to win? I'm really beginning to wonder.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...yc2E9LG8gbn7c0
Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign
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Originally Posted by
maddawg
A I supposed to care about the speech of the wife of the presidential candidate????? I am just not that trivial.
Now, maybe I do care that the wife of the other candidate is a pervert, was disbarred for being a general scumbag and was nearly impeached by congress. But I guess that's illogical as well.
