2016 Presidential Campaign

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Originally Posted by Cal&Ken

He never had to lie or praise Trump. He only had to say he loved American so he would be supporting Trump to keep Hillary out of the white house. I do like Cruz and wish he had been the candidate, but I do believe he screwed up last night. I loved his speech up until the end, and he was right in every way prior to that.

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Which part was the screw up? It seems that the displeasure started when he said, "Vote your conscience up and down the ballot."

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Originally Posted by T1

Which part was the screw up? It seems that the displeasure started when he said, "Vote your conscience up and down the ballot."

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We must have watched a different speech then. He had everyone there right up until the time he refused to endorse Trump at the end. He could have walked off to cheers rather than boos but saying he was going to do what was best for America and vote to keep Hillary out. He harmed his political career there and I hate that. He would be my pick next go round.

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Originally Posted by inudesu

You mean "vote your conscience" doesn't mean "vote for Trump?"

Even to his own supporters?

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You enthusiastically support the nominee at the party convention. I think all agree that Cruz did not do that. Trump read his speech before hand and could have bumped him off the speaker list. Trump is Presidential.

That's not Ted Cruz. It's not about the cheers to him. He spoke his conscience. If Trump goes on to be a great president, Cruz's career is over... he was wrong. But if Trump is Palin Part 2, he will be the only guy with a back bone who stood up for conservative principles in the face of enermous pressure to buckle. (Mike Lee didn't buckle either though).

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Originally Posted by T1

That's not Ted Cruz. It's not about the cheers to him. He spoke his conscience.

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And he lost. Maybe politics isn't for him.

"I will tell the truth. I will not malign; I will not insult; I will not attack. This is not a game. This is not politics. Right and wrong matter. We have not abandoned who we are in this country." Ted Cruz this morning on the reason he can't endorse Trump for president (due to the attacks on his family in the campaign).

Cruz did break in the end though. I think he called Trump a pathological liar and a serial adulterer in the last couple of weeks. It was retaliation though. VERY ugly primary.

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Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde

You enthusiastically support the nominee at the party convention. I think all agree that Cruz did not do that. Trump read his speech before hand and could have bumped him off the speaker list. Trump is Presidential.

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Trump didn't have a problem with the speech either. He knew Cruz wasn't going to endorse him. It shouldn't be controversial to tell people to vote their conscience.

It is a problem when there is a binary choice. You either can choose Trump or Clinton. There are no other choices. "Voting your conscience" tells people to consider Clinton or not voting at all. Both of those options are the same to some people.

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Originally Posted by JuBru

It is a problem when there is a binary choice. You either can choose Trump or Clinton. There are no other choices. "Voting your conscience" tells people to consider Clinton or not voting at all. Both of those options are the same to some people.

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Yup

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Originally Posted by JuBru

It is a problem when there is a binary choice. You either can choose Trump or Clinton. There are no other choices. "Voting your conscience" tells people to consider Clinton or not voting at all. Both of those options are the same to some people.

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Maybe it was a plug for the Libertarian candidate. That guy sucks too though. I don't know Cruz's thoughts on him. I doubt it, his speech was about the Republican party and all the good it's done and how Obama and Hillary are enemies of freedom and the Constitution. Pretty clear to me he was saying Republican is the best way to vote and no one should sit home and not vote.

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Originally Posted by Cal&Ken

I think he could have really helped his career rather than harm it by simply telling the truth. He could have said there is no way on earth I will ever vote for Hillary and I am putting aside my differences for the good of American and I will be voting for Trump.

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Is he?

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Originally Posted by T1

It shouldn't be controversial to tell people to vote their conscience.

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Originally Posted by Cal&Ken

I do believe he screwed up last night.

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Originally Posted by T1

It shouldn't be controversial to tell people to vote their conscience.

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Originally Posted by Cal&Ken

He had everyone there right up until the time he refused to endorse Trump at the end.

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Originally Posted by T1

It shouldn't be controversial to tell people to vote their conscience.

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Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde

You enthusiastically support the nominee at the party convention.

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Originally Posted by T1

It shouldn't be controversial to tell people to vote their conscience.

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Originally Posted by JuBru

It is a problem when there is a binary choice. You either can choose Trump or Clinton. There are no other choices. "Voting your conscience" tells people to consider Clinton or not voting at all. Both of those options are the same to some people.

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Voting your conscience tells people to vote for Trump, Clinton,Johnson, Batman, or none of the above.

If that phrase angers Trump supporters, it's only because they realize that for many people who might otherwise be voting with them it is unconscionable to vote for their (horrible) guy. And they don't want to hear that because (for some reason) they like him. And while there is some weight to the lesser of two evils argument, those weren't the ones booing. They were booing because they know their guy is shady and that many people's consciences are telling them not to vote for him.

Cruz had me voting for Trump. When he was saying, "Nobody should sit home and not vote...." my wife jumped up and said, "See! Cruz is even saying you should go vote for Trump." I was on the Trump train for about 20 seconds then they started booing Cruz and reports were that Heidi had to be escorted out for her safety... and I jumped right off that train.

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Originally Posted by inudesu

They were booing because they know their guy is shady and that many people's consciences are telling them not to vote for him.

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I don't believe that. Cruz was so upsetting I turned him off. I could see the non-endorsement coming. The people who booed were Trump people expecting to get an endorsement instead of some cryptic message.

Trump allowed him to speak. That's not shady at all, but what Cruz did was.

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Originally Posted by T1

reports were that Heidi had to be escorted out for her safety... and I jumped right off that train.

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You keep repeating the bullshit. Why? These were upset Trump supporters not BLM Democrats looking to break a window.