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Biden made that statement? Like that, without bumbling with "ya know...that thing"? If so, good for Joe!Quote:
Originally Posted by arkansasbob
It would be awesome for the Cuban people to throw off the yoke of communism, even as the Dem Party and their willing allies in the lamestream media try to bring it here.
When he squints he is reading his large font teleprompter and telling more lies. He is such a bad reader, but still better than his "off the cuff" stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
“Here, Joe, eat these squid and jellyfish. The effects last long enough for you to read what we wrote for you. Then get off the stage as quickly as possible.”
This was beginning to show 25 years ago in the Navy.. can't imagine what it is like now... A person used to be able to escape the "politics" of active duty and do rest of his time until retirement in guard or reserves without having to put up with as much BS.. that is no longer the case.. getting 20 in for retirement is not worth it today. Even during first years of war on terror.. there was a JAG officer who due to ROE had to authorize strikes on any target..
Report finds US Navy not fit for war because of risk averse, P.C, control freak top brass
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A scathing new report commissioned by members of Congress has claimed that the Navy's surface warfare forces have systemic training and leadership issues, including a focus on diversity that overshadows basic readiness skills.
The report prepared by Marine Lt. Gen. Robert Schmidle and Rear Adm. Mark Montgomery, both retired, came in response to recent Naval disasters, including the burning of the USS Bonhomme Richard in San Diego, two collisions involving Navy ships in the Pacific and the surrender of two small craft to Iran.
The authors conducted hour-long interviews with 77 current and retired Navy officers, offering them anonymity to identify issues they wouldn't feel comfortable raising in the chain of command.
The report found that a staggering 94 percent of the subjects believed the recent Naval disasters were 'part of a broader problem in Navy culture or leadership.'
'I guarantee you every unit in the Navy is up to speed on their diversity training. I'm sorry that I can't say the same of their ship handling training,' said one recently retired senior enlisted leader.
this was a written statement from the white house.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Ya mean, Biden didn't actually make that statement with his own mouth? Dang! just when I thought there might be some hope for the old fellow.Quote:
Originally Posted by arkansasbob
Such Hypocrisy... no surprise... Cuban immigrants overwhelmingly vote Republican.. they cannot allow more potential Republican voters..quote:
Camilo Montoya-Galvez
@camiloreports
DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said Haitian and Cuban migrants and asylum-seekers who try to come to the U.S. by boat will not be allowed to enter the country.
Even if asylum-seekers establish fear of persecution, they will be resettled in third countries, Mayorkas said.quote:
Replying to
@camiloreports
"If individuals make, establish a well-founded fear of persecution or torture, they are referred to third countries for resettlement. They will not enter the United States," Mayorkas said.
As Goosey says.. "Oh the Irony"......
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6NGJmAX...jpg&name=large
Asylum laws were created for these types of people. The dems only want the ones coming here to be ruled and lay around on the safety hammock.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
Perhaps we can get these Cubans to the southern border and make them Texans! Send some to Tennessee, too.
Biden says it’s not about who gets to vote but who gets to count the vote.
He’s plagiarizing his hero Stalin now.
Anybody that voted for that idiot is a moron.
So far this year in first 6 months of 2021, we have apprehended over 1 million immigrants coming into the U.S. and many of them are getting released and flown by US military and Commercial flights to cities around the country.. We basically have open borders... there is no denying this..
Unless you are Cuban and subject to political persecution, imprisonment and likely death. For them the border is CLOSED.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Yet no one in the admin nor their supporters can explain why... no one in media will ask why...
They should send that cat back to Cuba and revoke his citizenship.
Pedo Joe loves him some Russia and China. He's a joke, and so is anyone that voted for him.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-m...dailydiscvrtst
I don't know. He's a pretty tough guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
He was likely responsible for the horrors Syria suffered after Obama drew his red line that they could not cross. Oh wait, they crossed and nothing happened. Just more of the same stupidity.
Maybe they could send BLM and Antifa over there to straighten out Putin. But they are mostly cowards hiding behind police protection while they lambast police protection. What to do????
I read an article that said Obama couldn't enforce the big tough red line HE established because he was busy negotiating with the Iranians, and he didn't want to upset them by attacking one of their good friends. I guess if you're trying to give away a pallet of cash in the middle of the night and you're afraid they may leave you stranded at the tarmac, you do whatever it takes. It would be a shame if we had to fly all that money back home. Well, same thing here....perhaps we are concerned that we might upset the Germans if we do anything, perhaps causing Russia to stop sending natural gas to Europe.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...cauliffe-event
Our most popular president ever. Can’t draw more than 500 then P-Sack-EE lies and says that 3000 attended. Embarrassing.
Strawman. You’re just getting your crank yanked.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Those super brave Texas democratic lawmakers who fled to DC apparently didn't take enough supplies with them. They are now asking for care packages of salsa, Dr. Pepper, and hairspray.. I'm sure Goosey has already sent one.. :D
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-packages-sal/
We've been saying this was the end game for years.. Tucker was even called a racist and loon for saying this admin wants to change demographics of country...
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...liation-bill/#
There was even a piece in the failing NYT that said non-citizens should be able to vote..
That does make him a racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
Tucker is the same race as most Hispanics.
I do find it interesting how Hispanics from Mexico and points south are treated as victims, just poor souls downtrodden by oppressors, i.e. white Europeans. Except most Hispanics are white Europeans, well descendants of such. The Spaniards (and Portuguese too) invaded the Americas, behind leaders like Hernan Cortes, Spain practiced wanton genocide, on par with what the Nazis were trying, and destroyed native civilizations: Aztecs, Mayans, Incas. In one battle Spanish soldiers trapped Mayans on a peninsula and used batteries of cannons to slaughter them. The Mayans attempted to surrender, but were rebuffed and the Conquistadors kept firing the cannons and their muskets until the whole of the Mayan contingent had been wiped out. It included women and children and elderly non-combatants too. Murder...
And so today, these same "conquistadors" now play victim and want to invade sovereign nations to the north. Funny how these inconvenient historic truths are swept under the rug today. Wonder why that is. How about reparations from all these Hispanic invaders to any survivors of the destroyed native tribes. No? Gee.....
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Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Ok.. enough.. What is your position on granting 15 million illegals amnesty and giving them voting rights?? Are you for or against it.. Plain and simple..
The idea doesn’t offend me if they are given citizenship.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
Projecting again I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Why do they need citizenship or any qualification? You say voting is a right. Now you are saying they must be citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Need to allow minors to vote as well. Age 18 is MUCH too restrictive.
Exactly. And since we're going to let everyone vote, let's weight the votes according to how much income tax you pay.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Where do you get these ridiculous comments?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
You understand he difference between a natural right and a legal right, right? No one has ever claimed voting is a natural right.
Yeah, I knew that's where you would go...the rights that are controlled by man and can be adjusted to fit political leanings...logic need not be applied right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Irony.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Your new "crank yank" comeback.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Joe Biden said if you make less than $400K income you will not pay a single penny in tax. NOT A SINGLE PENNY!
That's what he bumbled and said, and it is true, taken literally. You will not pay a SINGLE PENNY in tax, you will pay tens of thousands of pennies in tax. So, he spoke the truth, even though that is not what he meant.
I so enjoy watching Sleepy, creepy Joe try to speak. Cracks me up.
David Webb with a funny BOOM
"It would honestly be easier for everybody if Biden would just turn the teleprompter around and let us read it ourselves"
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could y'all please, just once, elect a president that won't try to skirt the constitution to do whatever he wants? is that too much to ask?
I think the SC is afraid to be assertive because the Dems will simply expand the court and then pack it with obedient Swampers.Quote:
Originally Posted by arkansasbob
Who’s the last one who was like that? Can’t recall one in my lifetime. What’s the quote about getting the government you deserve?Quote:
Originally Posted by arkansasbob
Aw, come on man!Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
You have to be so proud of your vote. Sucker.
Johnny is the only one pure enough to vote in any election. Can't you see that?Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
YOU are getting the government YOU deserve. He actually helped give it to YOU, once he figured out what YOU deserved.
that's why i'm asking "just once"...Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
it does seem like they're getting much less subtle about it, though. george w at least got congress and the supreme court to agree with him first.
it's amazing what you can get away with when powerful information gatekeepers are blocking for you.
Seems to me that this is a good time to broker a permanent base housing an occupation army in Afghanistan. The leaders there have to see the writing on the wall at this point, and are rapidly discovering that freedom is not just bestowed upon you because you want it. I bet they'd at least consider it.
Just move all the folks from Germany over there and build a great big, heavily-fortified base with an awesome airfield. Germany, along with the rest of the Europeans, should be able to handle Russia by themselves, given they have economies that eclipse the Russian one. Heck, maybe they'll stop enriching them when they realize the money is being used to fund an army and weaponry to potentially invade them.
If we only had a president that was able to think out of the box...or think at all.
I disagree. Get us the hell out of Afghanistan and never, and I mean NEVER, go back! History is ripe with mighty empires failing there. We are just the latest. I do feel for the innocent, good folks there who just want a decent life, especially women (and little girls) who will soon be victimized by the "peaceful" religion of Islamic extremism. But, that place is a cesspool, the low spot on Earth where all bad stuff drains to. There is no hope for it and no reason for us to continue to expend blood and treasure in a lost cause.
The world should delete the word "Afghanistan" from its collective language and erase it from maps and globes! In the future school kids will ask, what is that blank spot on world maps? And be told, you don't want to know.
I am all for going home from our "limited engagement" there (get us out of Syria, too). We should never have gone into Iraq either without a long term plan to occupy them after militarily defeating them. Stuff just reverts back to where it was, or worse, when we leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
If we send in the military, we should go all the way and occupy wherever we land when the dust has settled. There's no such thing as a "limited" war for those doing the fighting. Every time we do this kind of stuff, we either just postpone the inevitable or make things worse.
The political landscape of the US is set up so that continuity of policy lasts for about 4 or 8 years max, but the scars on the participants lasts a lifetime.
Just another thought.
Given that we are leaving Afghanistan, will this mean we are FINALLY going to close the Guantanamo prison? If the "war" is over, you cannot really continue to define these folks as prisoners of war, right?
I actually despise the fact that our government has held these folks in this way for so long. If they are guilty of crimes, they need to be tried (military tribunal is sufficient) and disposed of accordingly. They cannot be held as enemy combatants any more because there is no combat.
I just don't like our government holding people indefinitely without charging them with anything. Charge them and kill them or let them go.
In some places, in a given time in history, US military occupation made sense/makes sense. Such as our involvement in Japan and Germany post WWII and in South Korea. But, any history student can tell you Afghanistan is not the place for such occupation.
I can dig out the article for more details, but I read an accounting of the British attempt to "subdue" Afghanistan back in the 1870's. About 20,000 crack British troops invaded Afghanistan, captured Kabul fairly easily, and then entered into an alliance with "friendly" Afghan tribes to stand against an army of unfriendly tribes. About 60,000 Afghan warriors joined the Brits as they marched north to engage the enemy, an army numbering over 100,000.
The night before the battle, emissaries of the enemy tribes bribed and coerced the friendlies to switch sides. The next day the British army of a mere 20,000 faced one of 160,000 which had them flanked and partially surrounded. A Brit rear guard of 8,000 men made a bold and heroic stand in what is one of the most incredible such last stands in military history.
"Only the dog survived...and even he was seriously wounded." One of the Brit regiments, numbering 800 soldiers, had a dog as a mascot. After a day of brutal combat against over-whelming odds, and after inflicting an estimated 35,000 casualties on the attacking Afghans, the Brit rear guard gave way. Every officer and man of that regiment was killed in action. A 100% casualty rate. The dog was slashed by a Afghan soldier with a sword and left to die. Only he survived and was later found walking slowly on the road to Kabul by British cavalry sent to assist the remnants of the retreating rear guard. Fewer than 1,500 of the 8,000 survived, and every one of them had been wounded. The dog became a national hero once back in England, a symbol of that gallant stand by that regiment vs. impossible odds.
The British general in command of the Afghan expedition reported to his superiors that he was pulling all his men out of that "God-forsaken country" retiring back to their bases in India. And that no nation, no matter how powerful it may be, will ever be able to subdue Afghanistan. Why won't the world listen to these sage words?
Just to be clear....I'm in the "never should have gone at all" crowd.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
I will be glad when they take away the executive power to commit troops without an act of war declared by Congress.
I hope the dog bit the guy that slashed him.
As Commander-in-Chief the POTUS has to retain a certain, limited authority to commit troops in urgent/emergency situations. But, yeah, anything other than an immediate need should require Congressional approval.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
As for the dog, there is no report of his biting the scumbag who slashed him. The witness to it was an Afghan soldier who wanted to ally with the Brits but when his tribal leaders switched sides, he was compelled, out of fear for his life, to go along. Later when matters settled down he and some others of that tribe helped the Brits bury their dead at the battle site under a white flag. He and some others were able to convey some of the details of the battle, adding to what the 1,500 wounded soldiers were able to report.
https://youtu.be/wvQjDvnPpCkQuote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Yep even Stallone knows the truth: you can't defeat a people who refuse to lose. They just keep on fighting...keep on, and on, and on....Quote:
Originally Posted by SicemDawgz
Shoulda learned that in Vietnam. Once again we just postponed the inevitable at a great cost to us. They didn't care how many we killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Democrats are scared...
Desperate Democrats Already Bracing For A Red Wave
We have officially hit the six month mark for the Biden administration, and it's honestly hard to put into words how badly things have become in our country, in such a short period of time.
The list is absolutely stunning. Skyrocketing inflation, higher prices for everything, massive crime, the border crisis, and a divide in our nation that we have not seen since the Civil War.
These are tough times, and so it's not a surprise that Republicans are counting down to next years midterms. What is a surprise? There are actually some on the left that are actually calling out the Democrats for their disastrous start.
"The Democrats are worried, and they should be" said Bryan Preston of PJ Media, "They've had six months of power now, and they have failed to enact even a single policy that strengthens America, or helps the American people. They should expect to be bounced out of power."
It is certainly heading in that direction. So much so that MSNBC aired recently that the Democrats should be "bracing" for a Red Wave in 2022. That's always been the norm anyway following an election, but for MSNBC, which some call MS-DNC to actually criticize their leaders is surprising.
"It is interesting that MSNBC is starting to see this" Preston told KTRH, "Apparently they can read a poll like the rest of us can."
And those poll numbers look really good for Republicans. "If I'm a Republican strategist, I'm not going to get cocky" Preston noted, "Yes, the signs right now are good for a red wave in the midterms. It didn't take long to undo what was already working, and I don't know what they expected to happen in the midterms? But when you come in and in effect destroy this country? You can expect the voters to respond, and to fire you."
The countdown has begun.
Never, and I mean NEVER, underestimate the GOP's ability to blow it. Besides, the Dems have cheating down to a science now, and will steal as many seats as they need.
Nearly 80% of Americans blame Biden for inflation surge.
Poll
But his poll numbers have held steady and everyone loves him! For real!
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The vast majority of Americans say surging grocery and household goods prices are causing them financial hardship and nearly 80 percent blame the Biden administration’s economic policies, a new poll says.
About 70 percent of Americans say the national economy is currently in bad shape and the majority — 86 percent — are concerned about inflation, according to the Fox News poll released on Wednesday.
Of those polled, 86 percent blame the COVID-19 pandemic for increasing prices and 79 percent blame the Biden administration’s economic policies.
They may blame him. But Biden has nothing to do with the current inflation. That was impacted by supply chains shutting down before he took office and then demand coming back strong (which is good). Also influenced by Fed monetary policy, specifically the fact they buy 120 billion in bonds every month to pump liquidity into the system.
All the while Xi is watching Xiden fail in crisis after crisis, just biding his time before he pulls the trigger to attack Taiwan.
You think inflation is bad now? We won't have any high-tech products at all if Taiwan falls.
And the poll numbers have turned sharply negative against the Xiden sham of an administration. The daily Rasmussen Reports Approval Index (Strongly Approve minus Strongly Disapprove) has been worse than -10 each weekday for the last three weeks. That index has been at -16 or -17 for the last four days (today at -16, 27% Strongly Approve to 43% Strongly Disapprove). As recently as May 26 that index was at -3 (34% vs 37%).
Xiden's overall approval was at 55% total approve to 43% total disapprove on May 26. Today those numbers are 47% total approve to 52% total disapprove.
Rasmussen reporting 47% approval for a Democrat is actually a pretty good score.
Relax, the adults are in control now. Too bad a few Republican governors are fighting a culture war on the COVID battlefield rather than helping solve the health crisis.
Regulating businesses just to protect the ability of people to be anonymously unvaccinated is the opposite of conservative ideals. Yet the tribe doesn’t care, because it supports the culture war against actual science.
Hottest month ever recorded, this July. According to the NOAA a real scorcher! And who is POTUS? Let me see....now, whose fault is this? Oh, and who has control of Congress? Hmmm....
Tch, tch...oh those Dems, just can't manage anything!
Buster Poindexter Hot Hot Hot - YouTube
And you are going to give Biden credit for those stock market records, too, right? Surprised that Ray hasn’t posted anything to that effect. He was celebrating each new stock market high a couple years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Glad it was hot somewhere. At or below normal a good number of days in Texas so far this summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
NOAA probably using a variant (pun intended) of the Dominion algorithm (and again) to come up with those figures.
If not for Biden's anti-business/anti-American policies the stock market would be even higher. As it is, the market is a remarkable entity, many forces at work, pushing, pulling it in all kinds of directions. Ultimately it is like water and seeks its own level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
What do you mean? Investors are so confident in the economic growth of the future that they are willing to pay very high (near record) valuations.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
With Trump re-elected the DOW would already be higher than 40,000. That's what I mean. But, it's okay, I am still accumulating on dips. I take lemons (the Biden admin) and make lemonade (my investment portfolio).Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I have never thought a POTUS has very much effect on the stock market, but the actually record contradicts your belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
If you compare the annualized growth rate of the indexes under Trump and Biden, Biden dominates Trump (as he did in the election).
DOW: 27.75% (Biden), 20.09% (Trump) —> Biden +7.66%
S&P: 33.30% (Biden), 14.47% (Trump) —> Biden +18.83%
Hah hah! LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Gonna let this post just reside here as more evidence about you...
And, no, I won't reveal why.
I see we are sending more troops to Afghanistan. Outta be fun fighting against insurgents armed with captured US equipment. What a disaster
I am anxiously awaiting the condemnation of Biden from the left. The previous president ate ice cream or play golf during times of crisis. At least that’s what the lift continue to harp on. Biden is on vacation while we have a complete and total cluster going on in Afghanistan. Surely the Biden crucifixion carried out by the leftist media is eminent.
And who is that actually? Everyone knows it is not Biden or heels up..Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
How quickly you forget how we got here.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/04/97360...ible-situation
On July 8, Biden said that "the likelihood there's going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely."
So, Biden didn’t think the terrorist would cause problems. But now that it is a huge problem, he is on vacation being read to while sitting under a heating blanket, or whatever people who were born before Millard Filmore do for fun.
Actually, you got the quote wrong and the context backwards. He said he didn’t think the Afghan government would have a unified government (meaning to the exclusion of the Taliban). Check the tape.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Yes the border was totally out of control when the "grown ups" took overQuote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Oil and fuel prices have dropped drastically since the "grown ups" took over
Unemployment has dropped since the "grown ups" took over
Things are much better with our allies (China and Iran) since the "grown up s took over
Your administration is a clown show. Fittingly, a clown like you supports them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
IronyQuote:
Originally Posted by glm47
Trump left office with a 6.3% unemployment rate. That is much worse than when he took over. It has already improved significantly under Biden.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
duh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being pathetic and 10 being outstanding, what do you rate Biden on foreign policy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Biden 4Quote:
Originally Posted by SicemDawgz
Trump 1
Trump 9Quote:
Originally Posted by SicemDawgz
Biden 2
and that 2 is for Biden not ruining Trump's efforts with The Quads. (so far...)
Gawd! you are stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Biden said that the Afghan security forces outnumbered the Taliban and they were trained by US military, so they would be fine. Trump may have thought the same thing. However, if Biden or his admin knew the Afghan’s would flop like a wet paper towel, why did they go through with this effort in this way?
He didn’t say they would be “fine.” He said their failure was not “inevitable.” If we aren’t there, we can’t control what happens. It was up to the Afghans to defend themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
You are asking questions that have already been explained…
Can you answer Biden’s question? How much longer would you have them stay?Quote:
But that ignores the reality and the facts that already presented on the ground in Afghanistan when I took office: The Taliban was at its strongest mil- — is at its strongest militarily since 2001.
The number of U.S. forces in Afghanistan had been reduced to a bare minimum. And the United States, in the last administration, made an agreement that the — with the Taliban to remove all our forces by May 1 of this past — of this year. That’s what I inherited. That agreement was the reason the Taliban had ceased major attacks against U.S. forces.
If, in April, I had instead announced that the United States was going to back — going back on that agreement made by the last administration — [that] the United States and allied forces would remain in Afghanistan for the foreseeable future — the Taliban would have again begun to target our forces.
The status quo was not an option. Staying would have meant
U.S. troops taking casualties; American men and women back in the middle of a civil war. And we would have run the risk of having to send more troops back into Afghanistan to defend our remaining troops.
Once that agreement with the Taliban had been made, staying with a bare minimum force was no longer possible.
So let me ask those who wanted us to stay: How many more — how many thousands more of America’s daughters and sons are you willing to risk? How long would you have them stay?
Why do you think Trump negotiated only with the Taliban and not other Afghan government representatives?
On mess in Afghanistan...
as usual I am a voice of reason on this forum. I always tell it like it is, and in this case, there are many moving parts.
First, yes Biden et al are bungling the Afghan withdrawal and as such many innocent, good people will be harmed. It's a cluster f_ _ k there! This is a fact and even Goosey won't be able to cover for the clown show that is the Biden administration. Noteworthy too is how Biden has gone into hiding...again...during this crisis. Have a new adjective to add to the list:
Sleepy, Creepy, Hidin' Joe Biden
Yes, this all should have been and could have been handled much better. But...
if Trump was POTUS we would have seen something similar. Maybe not as big a mess, but a mess nonetheless. Just varying degrees of a cluster f _ _ k.
No matter who was POTUS, the end of our involvement in that effed-up place was going to end very badly for lots of people. Unfortunately good folks...your average Afghan citizen...was going to get screwed big time and there is nothing humanly possible to avoid that. This is another Vietnam. Let me repeat that...this is another Vietnam. Well, even worse! In Vietnam's case we have a nation of people who actually LIKE the West/the US and MOST importantly, a government in 'nam that does too. The Vietnamese do not like the Chicoms, as recent overtures to ally with anti-Chicom nations reveals. In Afghanistan there are lots and lots of average folks who love the West/US but none of them have any power/influence on what is going on and worse, what will go on there.
But, Afghanistan = Vietnam insomuch as we were NEVER going to win there...NEVER! Let this reality sink in. And, so like Vietnam all we can do is cut bait and get out. And, never, ever go back.
In summary, yes Biden et al are bungling the end of our involvement in Afghanistan. Yes, it could have been conducted much better. But no matter who was POTUS we were going to see images reflective of 1975 Vietnam in 2021 Afghanistan.
If what I hear is right, our communications and air support were withdrawn as well. Air support should not have been withdrawn until the last civilian and soldier were moved out. Just the sound of a fighter jet sends those terrorists scampering for a mountain cave. Again, Trump may have had the same plan, but if Biden was so much more savvy, he wouldn’t have ordered this move in this fashion. They can both be wrong. It’s okay to admit that Biden is as capable of doing his job as a styrofoam packing peanut would be.
NEVER send the military anyplace you don't want to completely destroy, dominate and occupy. The dims and neo-cons have been doing this for decades with a track record of abysmal failure, and it has cost many "friends" of the US and their families dearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Our military is NOT a police force. This whole fiasco is just a big defund the police movement, Afghanistan version.
I know if I lived in one of these nations and saw the US coming over to "help", I'd either join the folks shooting at our troops or at the very least make sure I was not helping the Americans IN ANY WAY....because I know when they abandon me I will be left to the sadistic desires of the very people I was supposedly helping them defeat.
How would Dawg80 have handled the withdrawal from Afghanistan as POTUS?
1). Quietly remove Americans from Afghanistan. Cover it by saying diplomats and others are heading home for a short vacation and/or reassignment. Start QUIETLY removing as many helpful Afganis as possible. 1B).NO ANNOUNCEMENT the US was pulling out. In fact, just the opposite, publicly state we were there for the long haul.
2). Step up attacks on the Taliban...best defense is a good offense. Greatly degrade the Taliban's ability to conduct military operations.
3). Quietly make it clear to the powers-that-be they had a very short time period left to actually take control of their country.
4). Then after a VERY careful planning, suddenly insert overwhelming transports and US forces to secure the Kabul airport and other airbases where evacuees had been moved the night before.
5). Keep up OVERWHELMING air attacks as Taliban forces attempted to interrupt the withdrawal. I mean vicious air assaults. The kind we are very capable of!
Still, at the end of day, the US would come out looking like a loser. That's because we did lose the war in Afghanistan, just like Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, the Brits, and the Soviets all did too.
This is obviously caused by American right wingers (Trumpers) in response to an anti-Muslim video on the internet.
Statement from another clown on Saturday. This one didn't age very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
Pelosi Statement on Afghanistan | Speaker Nancy Pelosi
And the CCP has spoken, laying down the gauntlet on Taiwan.
Afghanistan situation a lesson for Taiwan authorities: Global Times editorial - Global Times
Pray for the women and girls, they're going to need it.
If I was Taiwan, I’d be extremely nervous with Biden in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDawg
Now the "adults" say we have to bring 40,000-60,000 Afghan refugees directly to bases in the U.S.
Try moving them to our numerous military bases in the Middle East first. More refugees can be moved quicker, and a robust vetting process is needed before bring any of these people directly into the heart of the homeland.
If the "adults" go through with this, they are begging for multiple terrorist attacks as bad or worse than 9-11.
ETA--now news is being reported that Americans trying to get out of Afghanistan will not--repeat WILL NOT--have priority over Afghans being evacuated.
Today's Rasmussen numbers before the freefall from the Afghan debacle is fully factored in:
Approval Index -17 (26% Strongly Approve to 43% Strongly Disapprove)
46% approval (down from 47%)
53% disapproval (up from 52%)
Looks like the "adults" have reverted to acting like the children that we know they are. And that is an insult to many children.
Human Events Senior Editor: Staffers Openly Fighting In White House--Biden Goes To Sleep Early (thepalmierireport.com)
That is what you call leadership. It doesn’t look like populism.
"We cannot continue the cycle of extending or expanding our military presence in Afghanistan hoping to create the ideal conditions for our withdrawal, expecting a different result," Biden said. "I am now the fourth American president to preside over an American troop presence in Afghanistan. Two Republicans. Two Democrats. I will not pass this responsibility to a fifth."
The picture posted showing Xiden at Camp David on videoconference shows the time between Moscow and London as a 3-hour difference.
The problem with that is that the time difference between London and Moscow has been a 2-hour difference since March 28. Moscow does not observe daylight time in the summer and hasn't since 2010.
Either the picture is a fake (likely and less disturbing) or the idiots running things have no clue (dangerous).
In a statement, the former president Trump wrote that the U.S. "can and should get out earlier" from Afghanistan and that Sept. 11 "should remain a day of reflection and remembrance honoring those great souls we lost."
"Getting out of Afghanistan is a wonderful and positive thing to do. I planned to withdraw on May 1st, and we should keep as close to that schedule as possible," said the former president.
Another, bigger question is will the Chicoms try to fill the vacuum in Afghanistan? I doubt if the Ruskies want a second go at it given their 10-year effort(failure!), so will Red China attempt to insert itself in that hell hole? We can only hope they do, but I kind of doubt it. They are not likely to do us any favors.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDawg
I suspect there are many folks in Taiwan who are indeed very nervous about our willingness to actually help defend them. I also think our anti-Chicom allies, namely India, Japan, Australia, Great Britain, and the others will all wait to see what the US's reaction will be to an actual hostile act by the Chicoms toward Taiwan. If a shooting war erupts, and IF the US and our allies react, the short term results will be a decided Chicom ass-whupping. But, they have only to look at Vietnam and Afghanistan, and probably Iraq as well soon, for the winning formula...just never give up, you don't lose a war if you simply keep fighting it. Eventually the US, and our allies, will grow weary of the loss of life and treasure spent defending the island nation and the Chicoms will be handed a strategic victory, even after being humbled tactically.
The Chicoms blew their best chance when obummer wrecked our military...like at that time when the US did not have a single carrier task force operational at sea. But, now with the clown show in DC, another opportunity looms for the next 3 1/2 years.
Maybe we can get those judges who wouldn't take the election cases, to rethink their decision.
For reasons already stated (historical context) I agree with both presidents Trump and Biden, the US had to get out of Afghanistan. The only question being could it have been handled better? I think the answer to that question is a resounding YES! it could have/should have been.
Trump is no longer President. If Biden had left everything alone that Trump had done, we wouldn't have all these illegals crossing the border and we would still be building the wall. Biden has been President for 7 months and everything he has done has gone to hell. He's already passed Jimmy Carter as the worst president in history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Biden did a 180 on EVERYTHING Trump did other than this. Go figure.
America is, by it's very nature, a populist nation. Our founding document begins with "WE THE PEOPLE", and we naturally disavow any concept of a elite ruling class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
China is not populist. The kings and queens of England were not populist. Are you just repeating something your tribe told you again?
Leadership....LOLOLOL.