I'm ok with that. I think that is a good compromise. Kneel before or after, but stand for the Anthem. I see no problem there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
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I'm ok with that. I think that is a good compromise. Kneel before or after, but stand for the Anthem. I see no problem there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
They are kneeling to show unity. What are they united in? Being a team? An organization? No, they are united in making money.Quote:
Originally Posted by detltu
They really should go back and focus on what Kapernick protested during Obama's 8th year in office...the horrible treatment of the black man by the Police and the system of justice. Nobody wants to acknowledge the original source of this mess.
Kaepernick's kneel was the original compromise to be respectful with his protest (and came from discussions he had with a fellow player that had served). He originally sat.Quote:
Originally Posted by detltu
Everybody will have a different take on what is appropriate for protesting (the when, where and how), but no one that I have heard intends to signal any disrespect to the military.
If you are offended, maybe you should take a moment to consider where the other side is coming from. If you are offended, maybe you should take a moment to listen. If you have any sense of compassion for people, that is your duty to humanity.
Huh? Who's ignoring that?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
The protest has grown to include people protesting the protester's right to protest without being singled out by the most powerful person in the world. This is not North Korea or China or Nazi Germany. A real POTUS would welcome peaceful dissent. Our POTUS capitalizes on division and making America worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Just more enabled, wealthy, young non-thinking for themselves, liberal elitist wannabes being pressured into breaking additional rules by liberal thought police (lamestream media, Hollywood, liberal congress men and women, BLM etc...).
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Busted! NFL rules require anti-anthem players
to appear on field
'Stand at attention, face flag, hold helmets in left hand, refrain from talking'
The NFL’s operations manual, which, unlike its rule book, is not available to the public, states:
“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”
The NFL declined to respond to multiple WND inquiries on the issue.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/09/busted-nf...gmL8f3gXc1Q.99
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/#Y46WqEX56iWZ5t7O.99
Perhaps the other side should actually state their case with some...ANY ideas to correct the perceived problems. As it stands now they are upset about how bad the police treat the black man but offer no solutions other than ignoring crime all together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Really? Although Trump kicked the cow pile, Kapernick has been ignored since last week's Alabama speech. Much to the delight of all Trump haters and white apologist everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Like Obama did for 8 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
You have lost your mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Ignored?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Colin Kaepernick
He's too busy with his new career.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
https://pics.me.me/breaking-news-mcd...k-18039806.png
I fear that those who proclaimed yesterday’s events a “win” for the president — after all, many of the players were booed for their stance, and in American politics you generally don’t want to be seen as taking sides against the flag — are missing the forest for the trees. If we lose respect for the First Amendment, then politics becomes purely about power. If we no longer fight to secure the same rights for others that we demand for ourselves, we become more tribal, and America becomes less exceptional.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/451697/donald-trump-nfl-protests-why-they-knelt
You are correct that Kaepernick choosing to kneel instead of sit was originally a compromise and I don't think enough attention is payed to that. I agree that everyone has a different opinion on what is an appropriate form of protest and to my knowledge no one has stated they intended to disrespect the military.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
If you are offended you should take a moment to examine what is being protested. We can agree on that. If your protest is met with with animosity, it's probably a good idea to take a moment and listen to the concerns and see if there is a better way to get your message across.
This whole thing is a giant celebration of the first amendment.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Players kneel for anthem and no one gets arrested! First Amendment !!!
Fans boo to show their displeasure with the protest and no one gets arrested! First Amendment!!!
President expresses his opinion on the matter and no one gets arrested! First Amendment!!!
Players criticize the president and no one gets arrested! First Amendment!!!!
Fans argue on message board and no one gets arrested! First Amendment!!!
Even fans who say the players should be arrested for disrespecting the flag are exercising their first amendment rights.
When Trump starts ordering the players to be arrested for their peaceful protest, then we can talk about losing respect for the first amendment. That's not happening and it's not even close to happening. People voicing their displeasure over the protest is not violating anyone's first amendment right. Suggesting they shouldn't protest isn't violating their first amendment right. To say that it is is misleading and unhelpful at best and intentionally deceitful at worst.
Did you read the article or just the quote? (just wondering)Quote:
Originally Posted by detltu
I read the article, although the premise is completely flawed and it's a big part of the problem. As I said: "To say that it is is misleading and unhelpful at best and intentionally deceitful at worst."Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
The article would seam to fall under this statement pretty well. But again he has the right to express his opinion on it just like everyone else. The distinction he should be making is the responsible use of our freedom of speech. The president can exercise the first amendment like everyone else. In this case he used it irresponsibly, but he didn't command the government to hunt these people down and arrest them. He told America to use their free market power to send a message. Since we have those freedoms we can choose to agree with him and boycott the NFL or tell him to go screw himself.
He does make some good points:
"How many leftists who were yelling “free speech” yesterday are only too happy to sic the government on the tiny few bakers or florists who don’t want to use their artistic talents to celebrate events they find offensive? "
This however is where he starts to go off the rails:
"How many progressives who celebrated the First Amendment on Sunday sympathize with college students who chant “speech is violence” and seek to block conservatives from college campuses?"
As long as they are peaceful, these people are exercising their free speech. Again I personally think they are not doing so responsibly, but I recognize that they are still using their free speech.
"I was startled to see many conservatives who decried Google’s termination of a young"
Again, nothing wrong with that as long as there isn't violence.