What is Systemic Racism?

Is a certain amount of corruption from those implementing "the plan" allowable?

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Fair to a black person, but unfair to a down trodden person with a different color skin. Right? Sounds like a great plan. Yeah, Jesse and Al types all over the country will love your plan. This plan will never be enough. Sound familiar? It's what the government has been doing since LBJ.

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Depends if you think leveling the playing field is unfair. And even if you do, it is still a hell of a lot less unfair than slavery and Jim Crow, etc. that created the problem.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Is a certain amount of corruption from those implementing "the plan" allowable?

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You can count on that whether it is publicly or privately implemented.

Forgive this simple mind, but isn’t redistribution the very thing that perpetuates racism? Temporarily elevates the less fortunate while making the wealthy resent those the government thinks they are helping, doesn’t it?

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Originally Posted by techman05

Forgive this simple mind, but isn’t redistribution the very thing that perpetuates racism? Temporarily elevates the less fortunate while making the wealthy resent those the government thinks they are helping, doesn’t it?

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Great point!!!!!

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

Great point!!!!!

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And, to piggy back on that point, I do not resent the people I support through tithing and other charitable giving. If my tax dollars were in my pocket, I would not hesitate to do more to help those who can’t help themselves. Majority may not do the same, but many would.

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Originally Posted by techman05

And, to piggy back on that point, I do not resent the people I support through tithing and other charitable giving. If my tax dollars were in my pocket, I would not hesitate to do more to help those who can’t help themselves. Majority may not do the same, but many would.

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Ditto! Another great point the libs miss! After all, studies show the left doesn't give in the same numbers as the "God fearing", conservative right.

I keep seeing education listed as a solution, so I cannot understand why the dems are so opposed to school vouchers (especially those that allow the students to attend better private schools).

OK, I do understand it. Dems control the block-voting NEA (that has been a good part of destroying the public school system), and they want to make sure they get their back scratched. Besides that, if a person in one of those "communities" they love to talk about actually goes off the reservation and gets a decent education and leaves the community to become economically successful, that is one less seat occupied on the bus going to the polls on election day that they can control.

Only dems benefit from the cycle of poverty in America, and no government program they propose will fix that. They don't want it fixed. Their goal is a big-government run society where they have all the power.

Is it any wonder they are re-branding socialism as something good?

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Depends if you think leveling the playing field is unfair. And even if you do, it is still a hell of a lot less unfair than slavery and Jim Crow, etc. that created the problem.

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That's a very unscientific opinion you hold, but it is PC and I'm sure helps to resolve some of your white guilt.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Is a certain amount of corruption from those implementing "the plan" allowable?

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

You can count on that whether it is publicly or privately implemented.

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Not at all true, but it helps your and the socialist democrats argument for allowing the government to make "the problem" go away. Those are the same people who have been trying to make it go away since LBJ purchased the slaves in 1965.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

That's a very unscientific opinion you hold, but it is PC and I'm sure helps to resolve some of your white guilt.





Not at all true, but it helps your and the socialist democrats argument for allowing the government to make "the problem" go away. Those are the same people who have been trying to make it go away since LBJ purchased the slaves in 1965.

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Speaking of LBJ; a must read especially since the movie is coming.

Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist. | MSNBC

www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnson-civil-rights-racism
Apr 11, 2014 - President Lyndon Johnson meets in the White House Cabinet Room with top ... Frank Underwood style, by a man they believed to be one of their own. .... They mean they're the party that crushed the slave empire of the ...

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

I offered solutions that isn’t directly reparation, but instead focuses on providing disadvantaged folks better opportunities to succeed. The playing field is just not level.

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Maybe I missed it, but I have not read any "offered solutions" made by you. So called "reparations" are inherently unfair. Social programs were intended to give the disadvantaged "better opportunities to succeed," not to be passed from one generation to the next resulting in the cycle of poverty. Have they worked? Please refresh my memory and restate whatever solutions you have offered.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Had to do with better schools and better programs - educational and vocational training, nutrition, and cultural - for communities. Not just throw money at the problem, but focus on quality.

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I gave examples of where better schools were provided and they weren't allowed to work. Nutrition is provided even during the summer months to school aged disadvantaged children, at least they are in my small hometown. Medical services are provided and many of those that receive "free" medical care don't even realize that it really isn't "free," just free to them. Phones are provided. Much of the medicine that is provided "free" is sold on the streets. What do you propose that would be "better programs?" My observation is that many of the recipients of these "free" services demand the service but protest having to be responsible for receiving them. How do you solve that? What do you mean by "cultural?" You seem to believe that the inequality of outcome is due to "systemic racism," (which no longer exists, IMO), where I believe that the inequality of outcomes is largely due to a cultural problem, and not one created by racism.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Not interested in negotiating it because I don’t think it is a good solution, and there are too many ways to calculate it. Are we saying the “damage” is unjust enrichment for slavery, aggregate enrichment since slavey, economic harm caused to slaves, or aggregate harm to slaves and their descendants, aggregate harm to all black Americans ever, etc.

What amount of money would you accept to go back and restart your life as a black man?

How do you even pick a reasonable number? My feel is that the number would be over 1 million per person to compensate, on average, the delta of opportunity.

But I don’t think that is the best way to address the problem. So why focus on it?

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$ 1 MM to each and every descendent of slaves? Many of the people "guilty" of white privilege don't earn $ 1 MM in their lifetime. I would say such a "reparation" would be "systemic racism." Man, slavery still exists in many countries. The good ole USA has done more than most to overcome racism. If that is your solution, I question your cognition. Suppose I were to demand every penny I paid in taxes that was spent funding ineffective social programs be returned? Would that be fair were I awarded? Would such a demand make sense? By the way, like most Americans, my ascendants were not slave owners.

I'll give you 2 examples of "systemic racism" - The Congressional Black Caucus and The Organization of Black Mayors (my mayor attends, on the town nickel, these meetings and functions but will not repair the town infrastructure)

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

Not sure Randy Newman is your best advocate here, but don't forget the best line in that song: college men from LSU, went in dumb come out dumb too!

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You are right, just trying to add a little levity. You're right, that is the best line. I wasn't sure if any one would recognize the song - glad you did. It is a great album.

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Originally Posted by techman05

Forgive this simple mind, but isn’t redistribution the very thing that perpetuates racism? Temporarily elevates the less fortunate while making the wealthy resent those the government thinks they are helping, doesn’t it?

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Very true