President Trump

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Originally Posted by FriscoDog

Barry Sanders is hardly center right.. He's an admitted socialist and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez worked for him. Socialism has never worked anywhere in history when tried. The U.S. is way to big for anything like that to be successfully implemented here. Minimum living wage, free college, free healthcare Who would pay for this? Everyone.. in order to fund something like this, EVERYONE would be taxed at least 50% probably closer to 70% of their income. Why would anyone want to work and only make 30-40 cents on the dollar?

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Socialism has mostly worked for the Nordic countries and most of Europe. It can only work in small, homogeneous societies. We aren't that. And it's starting to be under intense pressure there because they are all slowly becoming medium to large, non-homogeneous societies.

People would work under even those conditions you list because they still have to put food on the table, a roof over their heads, and pay other bills. Businesses know this, you should by now, too.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Sanders breaks hard to the left but also to the right..or at least he did back in the day.

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I think most of us will agree on Barry Sanders. I think he's the best RB ever. Others have him in their top 3, behind Jim Brown, and maybe Walter Payton. Can't argue against that; both Brown and Payton were awesome. But then, so was Gale Sayers. All great ones!

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Originally Posted by JuBru

This person:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/2ewAA...A27/s-l300.jpg

is not this person:

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Socialism has mostly worked for the Nordic countries and most of Europe. It can only work in small, homogeneous societies. We aren't that. And it's starting to be under intense pressure there because they are all slowly becoming medium to large, non-homogeneous societies.

People would work under even those conditions you list because they still have to put food on the table, a roof over their heads, and pay other bills. Businesses know this, you should by now, too.

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People starve in socialist nations. Research what’s going on in Venezuela right now if you want to get a glimpse of what socialism would do to this great nation. Hell, it’s already done it in our inner cities.

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Originally Posted by brtransplant

People starve in socialist nations. Research what’s going on in Venezuela right now if you want to get a glimpse of what socialism would do to this great nation. Hell, it’s already done it in our inner cities.

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1 in 6 Americans suffer from “food insecurity”. That is 42 million Americans suffering from hunger.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

1 in 6 Americans suffer from “food insecurity”. That is 42 million Americans suffering from hunger.

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total BS. Let's see your cherry picked stats to back that up

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

total BS. Let's see your cherry picked stats to back that up

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This is a stat promoted by the "Feeding America" charity. Obviously, it is in their interest to inflate this number to increase contributions.

The income determined to be poverty level in the US is about 18 grand a year. That is truly sufficient to feed a family. In 1920's money, that is about $1,300 a year, which was the average salary for that time (construction workers earned far less), and the families were much larger then. Even if you assume everyone living in "poverty" is suffering from hunger, only 12.7 percent of the population is considered poverty level yet they claim over 16% of the population is living with hunger. Amazing how people will just accept negative statistics because they think it makes them appear sympathetic.

Are there people who are hungry in America? Yeah, probably. But the same type of folks that are pushing that "1 out of 6" statistic are the ones that are saying we should not bring these inefficient manufacturing jobs back to America, which is where a lot of our middle class came from. So these folks would rather give someone that is hungry an expired can of spinach than a job that would not only feed them, but also improve their self esteem and make them a productive member of society.

Doesn’t matter where the stats come from. If you don’t like it, you’ll dismiss it.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

Doesn’t matter where the stats come from. If you don’t like it, you’ll dismiss it.

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Speaking for yourself?

Cost of living is more in the US than Venezuela too. They have people starving and so do we.

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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow

Speaking for yourself?

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The PeeWee defense. Solid!

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

The PeeWee defense. Solid!

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I gave you my reasons for not believing the stats, and you responded with typical liberal lunacy.

I should expect nothing less than that from someone that equates US laws (that we control) to Mosiac law.

Doesn't matter what logic is presented, you won't get it.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

Doesn’t matter where the stats come from. If you don’t like it, you’ll dismiss it.

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Yes, I didn't like or believe the stat that said Hillary was leading by such a large margin. I was correct because it was total BS.

Yes it matters if it is total BS. Just think about it (42 MILLION). It's amazing that some fools believe it.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Cost of living is more in the US than Venezuela too. They have people starving and so do we.

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We don't have people starving unless it it by choice. You've obviously never notice how easy it is to get free food here in 'Merica!

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Yes it matters if it is total BS. Just think about it (42 MILLION). It's amazing that some fools believe it.



We don't have people starving unless it it by choice. You've obviously never notice how easy it is to get free food here in 'Merica!

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Well, isn’t everything linked to choice at some level? Even those starving in other countries?

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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow

I gave you my reasons for not believing the stats, and you responded with typical liberal lunacy.

I should expect nothing less than that from someone that equates US laws (that we control) to Mosiac law.

Doesn't matter what logic is presented, you won't get it.

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That’s not how stats work, that’s how opinions work. The two are not to be equated. To defeat stats, you have to interact with methods and show the methods to be faulty. You probably could’ve come up with something about 5 minutes on Google.

The liberals are lunes, but my statement was affirmed just a few posts after I made it.

I have no idea what you’re talking about regarding the mosaic law, but I’m glad to have made an impression.

Finally, after observing your take on logic, I’m not offended at being excluded.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Yes, I didn't like or believe the stat that said Hillary was leading by such a large margin. I was correct because it was total BS.

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You’re confusing being right and being lucky. If all you’re working on is your hunch, you remember when you were right and forget when you’re wrong. If you’re working off more than your hunch, I’d love to see it and interact with it myself. Of course, all my requests for quantification have been turned down.

I’ll concede that working off hunches is easier.