Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?
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Originally Posted by
inudesu
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He makes some good points, but if you want to be taken seriously (even on a message board) you've got to do better than that. He'd have been better off to just make his assertion and not cite anything.
It's a nitpick. You & I would have confirmed which was the source or we'd have left it out; he just didn't see it as being critical to the point he was making.
But you look at each of the items he discusses and he did a good job. Compared to a lot of expansion theories, his points are better thought, have better logic and make sense. I have seen so many shabby articles on BRpts that when I'm searching for info, I never look at their citings.
At the end of the day, all these expansion theories probably aren't worth the paper they're written on.....if you get what I mean. :icon_wink:
Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?
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Originally Posted by
tenacious_dog
At the end of the day, all these expansion theories probably aren't worth the paper they're written on.....if you get what I mean. :icon_wink:
I certainly agree with this.
But he does make some good points. And I kind of agree with his overall theme that:
1. People don't know what they're talking about.
2. This probably won't be as earthshattering as some seem to expect (overall).
But on that point in particular I think he's out to lunch. Basketball probably won't matter much at the top (because the AQ conferences max out their NCAA credits every year anyway) but it still means a lot at our level. And we all know that even if he had cited a study that showed "only X number of schools run in the black and they are all power football schools" that athletic department accounting is a strange beast. Duke's AD may not look like they turn a profit (depending on how you crunch the numbers), but they are worth having around in your conference.
Football on tv is driving this bus, but a strong overall athletic department (including national powerhouse basketball) will be more than just a tie-breaker (after a certain point).
Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?
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Originally Posted by
BleacherReport
The Pac 10 turned away Texas a few years ago because they were going to be paired with Texas A&M which has military leanings (undesirable to academic types).
Is there any truth to this at all? He seems to have something against the PAC10
Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?
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odysseus
Is there any truth to this at all? He seems to have something against the PAC10
That was definitely a well held secret if it happened. I didn't know Texas ever looked at a different conference during that time frame.
Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?
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Originally Posted by
champion110
That was definitely a well held secret if it happened. I didn't know Texas ever looked at a different conference during that time frame.
I think I read somewhere that the PAC 10 wanted Texas at one time, and it's not surprising that Texas wanted a&m to tag along. I'd just never heard that the PAC 10 lost interest due to a&m's "military leanings."
Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?
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Originally Posted by
odysseus
I think I read somewhere that the PAC 10 wanted Texas at one time, and it's not surprising that Texas wanted a&m to tag along. I'd just never heard that the PAC 10 lost interest due to a&m's "military leanings."
The liberal left coast. This is why they won't consider BYU.
Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?
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Originally Posted by
odysseus
I think I read somewhere that the PAC 10 wanted Texas at one time, and it's not surprising that Texas wanted a&m to tag along. I'd just never heard that the PAC 10 lost interest due to a&m's "military leanings."
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Originally Posted by
DONW
The liberal left coast. This is why they won't consider BYU.
Hum.........The PAC/left coast is against anything/university strongly for or concerning God or the United States military. Hummmmmmmm
Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?
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Originally Posted by
odysseus
Is there any truth to this at all? He seems to have something against the PAC10
No this isn't true.
At the time Texas was being courted by the Pac10 and A&M was being courted by the SEC. Texas had no interest (at that time) in the SEC for academic reasons, A&M had no interest in the Pac10. A&M wasn't trying to get into the Pac10 they were all SEC or Big8. That was it. They both decided at that time that they should stick together and merge with the Big8 conference. And you know the rest how Baylor and T-Tech got in and so on.
Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?
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Originally Posted by
Bigdog13
No this isn't true.
At the time Texas was being courted by the Pac10 and A&M was being courted by the SEC. Texas had no interest (at that time) in the SEC for academic reasons, A&M had no interest in the Pac10. A&M wasn't trying to get into the Pac10 they were all SEC or Big8. That was it. They both decided at that time that they should stick together and merge with the Big8 conference. And you know the rest how Baylor and T-Tech got in and so on.
Thanks for the clarification. So, it was all during the conference shake up during that time and was a different situation than was in the story. The story made it sound like they tried to recruit Texas in the last few years - while they were already in the B12. I just didn't remember anything like that.
Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?
This morning on ESPN, Joe Schad was reporting live from the Big 10 meeting in Chicago. He said that they have confirmed that they will not vote on new members at their June 6 meeting, and that it seems as if they will stick with the 12-18 month timeline that has been mentioned.
He also said that Delaney (commish) seemed resigned to the fact that Notre Dame is not going to join the Big 10 during this round.
But, they are definitely not voting on expansion on June 6.
Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?
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Originally Posted by
StrayDawg
This morning on ESPN, Joe Schad was reporting live from the Big 10 meeting in Chicago. He said that they have confirmed that they will not vote on new members at their June 6 meeting, and that it seems as if they will stick with the 12-18 month timeline that has been mentioned.
He also said that Delaney (commish) seemed resigned to the fact that Notre Dame is not going to join the Big 10 during this round.
But, they are definitely not voting on expansion on June 6.
Well, that could halt everything. I was hoping that they would. If Boise leaves (they will), we will still be in the WAC without CUSA taking more members.
Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?
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champion110
Thanks for the clarification. So, it was all during the conference shake up during that time and was a different situation than was in the story. The story made it sound like they tried to recruit Texas in the last few years - while they were already in the B12. I just didn't remember anything like that.
I know for a fact that A&M was talking to the SEC and Texas was talking to the Pac10 at that time, if they spoke to them again afterwards (after the Big12 formed that is) it had to have been very secretive and wasn't publicized at all that I am aware of.
Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?
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Originally Posted by
StrayDawg
This morning on ESPN, Joe Schad was reporting live from the Big 10 meeting in Chicago. He said that they have confirmed that they will not vote on new members at their June 6 meeting, and that it seems as if they will stick with the 12-18 month timeline that has been mentioned.
He also said that Delaney (commish) seemed resigned to the fact that Notre Dame is not going to join the Big 10 during this round.
But, they are definitely not voting on expansion on June 6.
i would rather all of this shake down in 12-18 months than in the next 1-2 months.
a winning season and a bowl win will only help us in our pitch to another conference. throw in the breaking of ground on the south endzone project, and we should have some very positive buzz in 12-18 mths.
Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?
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Originally Posted by
StrayDawg
This morning on ESPN, Joe Schad was reporting live from the Big 10 meeting in Chicago. He said that they have confirmed that they will not vote on new members at their June 6 meeting, and that it seems as if they will stick with the 12-18 month timeline that has been mentioned.
He also said that Delaney (commish) seemed resigned to the fact that Notre Dame is not going to join the Big 10 during this round.
But, they are definitely not voting on expansion on June 6.
Smoke screen to keep the media off their butt and trail. And to keep the PAC and Big 12 from doing their possible TV/Market sharing agreement soon as well. Who knows.
Re: Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?
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Originally Posted by
1L_dawg
i would rather all of this shake down in 12-18 months than in the next 1-2 months.
a winning season and a bowl win will only help us in our pitch to another conference. throw in the breaking of ground on the south endzone project, and we should have some very positive buzz in 12-18 mths.
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