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No, actually you are "Goose".Quote:
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Yeah, David Duke tried to red dot me as well....and left this little note "and you are the one doing the lynching...hypocrite"Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
Free Carl Lee, free Carl Lee!!!!
Hey "dude who likes only white people"....... how exactly am I lynching people???
This I gotta read!!!
Since you seem to have everything figured out already, you tell me. You aren't abiding by your own forum rules. Typical drunk white fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geaux Dawgs
Thought it was good to be white? Come on flip flopper, decide. We need to be white power or black panther??Quote:
Originally Posted by SibleyRaiders
Please tell us.......actually don't. No one here cares for your racist need for an all white football team...then you call me a white drunk fan.....
You are so confused. Hey Raider, figure out 4 + 5 = ___ and get back to us
You are the personification of ignorant confusion.Quote:
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What of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by SibleyRaiders
You say that like its a bad thing.
You are too ignorant to know different. In the meantime, I'm giving out more and more Caste Football links! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
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Heisman Candidate or Blocking Fullback? The Difference is Apparently Only Skin Deep
http://www.castefootball.us/images/t...a223b67141.jpg This article written in August of 2008 is a must read for those who believe there is no Caste System in U.S. sports.
pictured: Peyton Hillis
by Jimmy Chitwood
(8/22/08) As an avid student and fan of the game of football, I am constantly informed (or maybe indoctrinated) that talent wins football games. I am told that coaches recruit the best talent. And play the best talent. And that the best talent will always be put in a position to make plays regardless of virtually any other criteria. Talent is all that is important, and talent will always get the opportunity it deserves. Nothing else matters.
Coaches, scouts, etc. get paid to win, after all, and not signing the most talented players and not giving said players the most opportunity would be foolish. They would lose their jobs if they didn’t sign and play the best possible talent for their team! This I am told time and time again as if by mantra. These are stated as simple, and obvious, FACTS that everyone just knows are true, told to me in tones of shock and bewilderment if I question it, akin to my wearing a bikini in church.
Yet I do have questions … because the performances I see on the field don’t make sense if the “talent” thing is true.
When trying to work out puzzles of this sort, I find that it makes things easier to understand if I compare things (players in this instance) that are similar, the more similar the better. In this scenario, if players are evaluated in the same manner, then similar players will yield similar evaluations/accolades/playing time/and so on. Many people might be surprised that this isn’t how things work, neither in college nor professional football.
In fact, there are often VAST differences in the treatment of players who are virtually identical … except for one small difference.
A case in point:
Player A, as a high school senior, was 6-1, 220-pounds, and ran a reported 4.5 40. Player B, as a high school senior, was 6-2, 220-pounds, and ran a reported 4.5 40.
Player A rushed for 2,134 yards and 27 touchdowns on 223 carries as a senior (9.6 avg.). Player B rushed for 2,631 yards and 29 touchdowns on 261 carries as a senior (10.1 avg.).
Player A was a Parade All-American and one of the top prospects in the nation. Player B was a Parade All-American and one of the top prospects in the nation.
Here is where things get interesting… and confusing… and troubling…because it is readily apparent that both of these athletes are incredibly talented. And physically, one could hardly hope to find two more similar athletes … except for one evidently all-important difference.
Player A is black and Player B is white.
And thus, their careers take DRAMATIC turns when they enter the realm of college football and beyond…
Despite the incredible similarities, Player A was considered to be an elite talent running the football as a tailback and is now considered a favorite to win the Heisman Trophy.
Player B, on the other hand, was considered to be an elite talent … as a blocker and was never given the chance to be a tailback. He was a fullback, you see.
Player A is Chris Wells, and he plays for Ohio State.
Player B is Peyton Hillis, and he played for the University of Arkansas.
Let’s continue the comparison, shall we?
Wells, known for his powerful running style, played as a true freshman. At tailback.
Hillis, known for his powerful running style, played as a true freshman. At fullback.
Wells averaged 5.9 yards per carry last year as the featured back, behind a blocking fullback in an offense designed around him.
Hillis averaged 5.6 yards per carry last year from his fullback spot without a lead blocker, while running from much nearer the line of scrimmage, and getting the majority of his carries in short-yardage situations. (As an aside, teammate and 2-time Heisman trophy runner-up Darren McFadden also averaged 5.6 yards per carry last season for the Hogs.)
Wells is said to be an explosive playmaker and is most often compared to Eddie George, Maurice Clarett, and Jim Brown (an old school fullback). All of whom were featured backs despite not having elite speed. None were asked to be a regular blocker.
Hillis is said to be too waaaaay too slow to be a featured back. So, since his freshman year, he has been forced to add weight and block almost full time.
But let’s take a close look at the speed thing for a moment … Both players have a career-long run of 65-yard touchdowns. Both runs came against last year’s NCAA Champions, the LSU Tigers. You can’t ask for more identical comparisons, apples to apples, Buckeyes to Razorbacks.
Take a look at each of the runs.
Wells: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnuk4X6tajs
Hillis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5alq9LRUNk
Can you tell any difference aside from skin color? If anything, it appears that Wells is the slower of the two … Interesting, huh?
But there are significant differences in the two players despite their obvious similarities, differences that appear to show Hillis to be the more complete player. . .
Wells is one-dimensional. In two years as the featured playmaker at OSU, he only has 7 catches for 37 yards. He has never been a factor in the return game. Nor has he ever blocked for another back.
Hillis is multi-dimensional. Despite being miscast, he set school records for running backs in career receptions (118), receiving yards (1,195) and receiving touchdowns (11). And he was the Razorbacks top punt returner for much of his career, averaging over 10 yards-per return. And his talents are also unselfish and team-first. He also blocked for two individual 1,000-yard rushers (McFadden and Felix Jones) for the second consecutive season.
So, draw your own conclusions. It’s possible there is some “other” explanation. It’s possible that skin color “wasn’t” the determining factor. I guess anything is possible… but if so, if I am wrong, I’d like to have those facts presented to me.
And for anyone who says, “Why does it matter?” Just consider a couple of reasons, amongst the many. Hillis has suffered both physically and financially for the position change. As a fullback, he has been forced to carry more weight than his body is designed for. He has endured more physical punishment due to the rigors of the fullback position. AND, compare the meager salary a 7th-round draft pick at fullback makes to what a 1st-round tailback gets in the NFL.
Come to think of it, I’d say there are millions of reasons it matters.
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Originally Posted by SibleyRaiders
Hillis is getting his this season. I figure Hillis was moved to FB because he wanted playing time. Did you think he was going to play over DMac or Felix Jones in college? Hillis is much better fitted for pro style running, though. He is tough and can pound and hits the hole well. It still took him a few seasons after not seizing his opportunity in Denver. Oh well, his move to the Browns was a good one.
You gripe about RBs, who was the last white cornerback? Jason Sehorn? You are telling me there is some discrimination against all white players at these positions? If you can play, you can play. I dont buy that there is discrimination. You might be scrutinized more (as I believe black QBs have been until recently getting better, IMO). Jason Sehorn is my prime example. They used to blow on that guy all the time. If he was black, he would have just been another corner in the league. I say the same about David Garrard at QB, you know his name because he is black. If he was a white QB, he would just be some mediocre QB in the league.
It is just obvious fact that black folks are better athletes. Look at the NBA and NFL (the two of the most athletic sports in our nation). The percentages are wildly skewed towards black folks, especially considering they only make up 13% of the population. YOu expect me to believe this is some conspiracy? Some payback from whitey for years of enslavement? Ha, that would be a first.
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Originally Posted by dhussdawg
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Coaches Recruit Talent! Uh, Really?
http://www.castefootball.us/images/t...aaf6f4bd98.jpg pictured: Jared Abbrederis
A true investigation of the recruiting process reveals a very different agenda.
by Jimmy Chitwood
(10/2/10) In the college sports game, media pundits, sports information press releases, sports talk show hosts, and of course the collegiate coaches themselves all preach a consistent, oft-repeated sermon when it comes to the players that “their” teams pursue: “We recruit the most talented players available.”
The devoted zealots (after all, the root word of “fan” is “fanatic”) who mindlessly worship at the altar of “their” team unquestioningly swallow and repeat this mantra, blindly accepting this platitude as they faithfully pray for a win on game day. But with literally billions of dollars involved in the cult of sport, why do so few devoted parishioners question whether their alms are being given to a true belief?
Yes, only blind faith could be so. . .well . . . blind as to accept such an obviously false premise. Yes, I said it. The precept that “coaches recruit the best talent available” is a HUGE lie.
Simply put, it is easily shown that collegiate coaches do not recruit the best talent available. Their primary agenda when recruiting players is something else entirely. And I’ll prove it.
Anyone who follows college sports has heard the ages-old maxim that “if you can play, they will find you.” It applies to a commonly held (but misplaced) belief that coaches actually want to find the best players available, no matter where they play or who they are. If you don’t fit a certain profile, however, this simply isn’t the case.
Coaches claim to look for players who are big, fast, and strong. They insist they want winners and look for athletes who win championships in high school. They want high-character guys who will do the right thing when no one is watching. Perhaps most importantly, they preach that speed is coveted, and they will do nearly anything, go anywhere, to get players who have it. That sounds reasonable, but in reality there is another characteristic that they add. . . but they don’t say it out loud.
You see, they want all those things. . . but they want them from black athletes.
To demonstrate my point, I will focus on the sport of college football. And while I could literally do a similar story for virtually every collegiate football team in the country, I’m going to focus this essay on the Wisconsin Badgers. (My only reason for doing so is that I watched a Wisconsin game the other day, and yet another collegiate game proved the basic premise behind this work. No surprise there.)
Wisconsin, like many other football programs, has a long tradition of walk-on players who became big-time contributors. A walk-on, for those who may not know, is a player who was deemed unworthy of a scholarship by the coaching staff. But, convinced that he is good enough to play at the college level, the walk-on pays his own way in an attempt to make the team. For the most part, walk-ons are little more than glorified tackling dummies, with only confidence in their own talent and the refusal to give up the sport they love to help them persevere until they get the most elusive of all things for an undesired athlete: a chance to make a play.
Oh, there’s one more important item I’ve not mentioned. Virtually all walk-ons, those players who are rejected as “not talented enough” to be offered an athletic scholarship, are White athletes.
Going back to the script of what coaches claim they look for from athletic prospects, let’s take a look at a potential athlete’s resume. It should prove enlightening to those who have eyes to see.
We’ll examine a home state kid. One who, based on the public statements made by the Wisconsin football coaching staff (and other coaches across the country), should be an ideal fit for an athletic scholarship.
First, let’s look at the size requirement. The athlete in question is a wide receiver who was 6-2, 175 pounds coming out of high school. While somewhat thin (a common issue in high school players who project as wideouts), the height is a terrific plus for the position. So the potential recruit matches the profile.
Now, can the kid run? Speed kills, as they say. And all coaches covet it -- or so we’re told. This athlete is a state record holder in both the 110-meter and 300-meter hurdles. He holds his school record in the 100-meters (10.6), 200-meters, and 400-meters, as well as the two aforementioned hurdle events. As a dual-threat quarterback, in his senior year alone he ran for 1,490 yards (8.6 avg.) and 26 touchdowns. So can he run? This is an obvious yes.
Is he strong? At 175-pounds, he can bench press 255, clean 255, squat 385. Oh, and he has a 34-inch vertical jump and a 10-feet 2-inch standing broad jump. Pound for pound, he’s incredibly strong. In fact, in 2009 he was named the Bigger, Faster, Stronger National Male Athlete of the Year. He definitely fits the bill here.
Is he a winner? The first-team all-state quarterback won the State Championship in football and was named the Wisconsin Gatorade Track and Field Athlete of the Year as a senior. He won three individual State Championships and one team State Championship in track, and another conference championship as a wrestler. Is he a winner? This is another definite yes.
What about his character? The two-time team captain carried a cumulative GPA of 4.14 on a 4.0 scale, was a National Honor Society member, and was actively involved in the Fellowship of Christian Athletes and community service events. He also has proven that he is tough and can handle adversity. In his sixth game as a sophomore, an awkward tackle tore his ACL and broke off the end of his femur. Doctors didn’t know if he would ever play again. His tremendous work ethic had him back within a year.
According to the publically acknowledged guidelines that coaches espouse, it would seem that giving a football scholarship to this young man would be a no-brainer. But as I told you before, there is one more requirement that coaches look for. And as such, Jared Abbrederis didn’t receive a scholarship from Wisconsin. Or any other school, for that matter.
You see, Abbrederis didn’t completely fit the profile -- because Abbrederis is White.
The Wisconsin coaching staff determined that this phenomenal athlete wasn’t worthy, so Abbrederis had to walk-on while lesser athletes, often times with major character problems, were rewarded with a free ride to college. Of course, those athletes are Black.
Does that sound like “fair” talent evaluation to you?
Fortunately for Abbrederis, though, fate has smiled on him. Due to a series of injuries to “real” athletes (and due to his tremendous talent and continued self-belief), the redshirt-freshman got his first true chance to play in the second half of a game this year against San Jose State. The result? He led the Badgers in receiving. Through 4 games this season (of which he has only played wide receiver in two and a half), he is the team’s second-leading receiver. He has also emerged as the team’s top punt returner. But, remember, according to the same coaches who now rave that he may have the best hands on the team, he really doesn’t have the talent to even be on the team.
They didn’t want him. They wanted his talent. . . but from a black kid.
And it’s not as if Abbrederis is some rare quirk. He’s not some anomaly that crops up from time to time as an interesting oddity. He’s not even unique on the Wisconsin football team.
I won’t go into lengthy detail, but his fellow redshirt freshman, Kyle Zuleger, is another elite athlete who had to walk-on simply because he lacked the necessary melanin to be considered a “real” talent by the Wisconsin coaching staff.
Zuleger, who possesses ideal size for either of his natural positions (tailback or cornerback) at 5-11, 183-pounds, was another record-setting track athlete (10.62 100-meters) and a nationally competitive power lifter in high school with a list of honors longer than he is tall. Those honors include being the 2008 Midwest Combine Most Outstanding Performer where he set an event record with a sub-4.0 second shuttle.
Despite weekly accolades so far this year including these:
-- Sept. 7, 2010
(quoting Wisconsin head coach Bret Bielema in the post-UNLV game press conference) Special teams-wise, a guy that was going at a different speed more than anybody else was Kyle Zuleger. Number 27 was incredible on all phases that he was involved in. His role will expand from here.
-- Sept. 15, 2010
Perhaps the most noticeable player on the unit has been reserve running back Kyle Zuleger, a 5-foot-11, 183-pound redshirt freshman from Appleton East High School. He has two tackles on the unit but on almost every kickoff has disrupted the opposition with his tenacity and fearlessness. "It's hard to not notice him," (Wisconsin special teams coach Charlie) Partridge, said. "The pace he goes down, the reckless abandon in terms of how quickly he works to defeat blocks. "He is one of our key guys right now."
-- Sept. 27, 2010
(quoting Wisconsin head coach Bret Bielema in the post-Austin Peay game press conference) Special teams-wise, we gave (the game MVP) to Kyle Zuleger.”
Despite these accolades it appears that the fleet-footed powerhouse is unworthy of being more than another White Special Teams Demon. . . who is NOT on scholarship.
Clearly, these obviously-swift playmakers are not really faster or better than the “real” athletes they routinely outrun and outperform. Clearly, they aren’t athletic enough to be on athletic scholarship. Clearly, they’re not what the coaches are looking for. Clearly, Wisconsin isn’t the only team that has superior talents like these who have to be walk-ons because they’re White.
I wonder, could the lie be any clearer?
I was all upset when I saw your red dot attempt: "pathetic drunk white fan, maybe you'll wake up some day"Quote:
Originally Posted by SibleyRaiders
Then I started thinking, how did he know I was drunk, and white, and asleep. Scary stuff. :laugh:
Peyton Hillis probably would have gotten more carries in college if he wasn't on the same team with Darren McFadden and Felix Jones.
In fact, that is straight up nuts that all three were in the same backfield and Nutt couldn't win more games.