Just the wrong year to blow the party up. :((Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
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Just the wrong year to blow the party up. :((Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
In 2012, women, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and young people voted for Obama overwhelmingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Because many did not vote for the "satanic Mormom"Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
False...same numbers the methodist got 8 years earlier...higher numbers than McCain. Keep beatin' up that strawman Clyde.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde
The evangelicals stayed home, and the election wasn't even on a Sunday or a Wednesday night.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
http://www.redstate.com/diary/griffi...issing-voters/
Maybe they stayed home...maybe they were no longer evangelical. That pie is getting smaller (as the article pointed out)...that's a national trend. Your assumption that they stayed home BECAUSE he was a mormon is unfounded and unsupported by the article you posted. In fact, the percentage of the voters that did show up that still voted for Romney indicates that the folks who didn't show up that were evangelical didn't show up for the exact same reason that non-evangelicals didn't show up...because Romney didn't inspire the electorate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde
What do you think Trump's excuse will be? He's already making excuses for his loss. Sounds like loser talk to me.
The confusing part to me is that Evangelicals in the South pretty much gave Trump the primary win on Super Tuesday. What is his appeal to Evangelicals? It seems that Cruz and Rubio (maybe Carson) would have gotten that vote.
There is a lot going on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by T1
One thing is the fuzzy definitions we have of "evangelical."
Another is that (just like any other group) evangelicals (depending on how you define them) are complicated people with many different motivating factors.
I think another is the primary process. Those guys split some of the votes, etc.
Rubio tried to go low at the worst possible time. That hurt him in the south...as did the south's higher than average percentage of voters without college degrees. Cruz was hurt by the accusations of Carson with evangelicals in the south.Quote:
Originally Posted by T1
Evangelicals were caught up in the rage just like everybody else. They wanted Trump to bust Hillary's tail. They were short-sighted...just like the rest of the electorate.
What a wasted opportunity. Even now Rubio is leading Murphy in FL by 7-8 points, while Trump is behind in FL. The millenials lining up behind Johnson would likely have supported a young and positive middle class candidate like Rubio.
But no, we had to go with Trump because everyone let their anger override their reason.
I think that's part of it, but I think a bigger part is a failure to see our own bias. We're so immersed in pundits and media that tell us so clearly what we already believed that we have stopped making a compelling case to those who are undecided or even on the opposite side on an issue. There's no reason in the process anymore. It's all shouting matches and headlines. Is that on the media? Sure, but it's also on us because the media is merely giving us what we want. We want to watch Hannity and feel like our anger is justified (and many times it is!). The other side wants Rachel Maddow to skewer the GOP (and many times they deserve it), but we've forgotten to move beyond feeling good about our position and putting forth a logical case for why our position is the best one...not just for folks who already believe it, but for folks who have yet to believe it. In Rubio's better moments he did this (not nearly often enough). Reagan was a master at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacksonian
The dem base is growing organically, not necessarily because they're making a better case. The republican base is getting smaller. And, after Trump takes his 10% of authoritarian republicans with him (this is not the majority of his support, but it is significant), the republicans will never win a national election again unless they figure out how to replace that 10% AND broaden the base.
The GOP have always historically eaten it's own. I hate it!
Whereas the liberal Dems wallow in their fellow feral party members perverted mud, thoroughly enjoying the stench and infection of each other. And yes all the while Hypocritically pointing out how smelly and dirty the horse looks across the fence.
I think that's a function of not having any sort of agreed upon priority system. Trump, who is very far from "our own" is a great indication of that. Our chief priority in this election seemed to be giving Hillary what she had coming. Ironically, the strategy is going to put her in the White House.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
"I'm sorry Madam President, we have been working on that stain in the Oral Office since 1995 and nothing we have tried will clean it up."
This election was over in 2012.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS