President Trump

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

Yes they are if it get's them off or lesser time in prison. What kind of law school did you attend?

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Well, there goes your theory. David Pecker of American Media is apparently confirming Cohen’s account.

Goosey makes it really hard for me to stick to my newfound policy of not name calling. All I can do is shake my head...and consider the source.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Goosey makes it really hard for me to stick to my newfound policy of not name calling. All I can do is shake my head...and consider the source.

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The only person saying otherwise is known to be a habitual liar and has already offered 4 different versions of his story.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

Boyd has explained it well in the past. Essentially, the media is a for profit entity. They are selling something. If we stop buying it, they’ll change it. That is how the media could be reformed. Instead, the right created an equally biased arm of its own.

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Not at all realistic. The media thing developed as a left leaning from the beginning of TV (probably well before). It wasn't until the late 90s that conservatives had and equal voice on cable TV at least. To this day it's not even close to being equal.

I ask again, before Fox News how could we have changed the media? You don't have that answer.

Paul Harvey, Rush Limbaugh, and Fox News (some print media) is all the conservatives have had since black and white TV and the three major networks began.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Not at all realistic. The media thing developed as a left leaning from the beginning of TV (probably well before). It wasn't until the late 90s that conservatives had and equal voice on cable TV at least. To this day it's not even close to being equal.

I ask again, before Fox News how could we have changed the media? You don't have that answer.

Paul Harvey, Rush Limbaugh, and Fox News (some print media) is all the conservatives have had since black and white TV and the three major networks began.

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So the media is not for profit? They don’t pay the bills with ad dollars?

I thought you were a capitalist.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

So the media is not for profit? They don’t pay the bills with ad dollars?

I thought you were a capitalist.

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Of course they are and I am.

Are you saying conservative TV viewers should have turned off the TV back in the 70s?

Please be more specific about how we gotten what we deserve.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Of course they are and I am.

Are you saying conservative TV viewers should have turned off the TV back in the 70s?

Please be more specific about how we gotten what we deserve.

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By running up the ratings on lying blowhards and not insisting on a little more honesty.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Of course they are and I am.

Are you saying conservative TV viewers should have turned off the TV back in the 70s?

Please be more specific about how we gotten what we deserve.

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Sure. Turn off the TV. Don’t support the advertisers. Let the market handle the situation.

I think what bugs you is that there is a market for liberal news.

Why do we deserve the media we’ve got (which is crappy leftist media and crappy right wing media)?

Because both sides suck at compellingly espousing their values and ideals. So you get what we’ve got: pragmatists (of a sort) with no values but power.

There is no news media in this country anymore. It's devolved into nothing more than opinions slanted toward whatever agenda that particular network is pushing. It's got about the same credibility as Bagdad Bob did back in the first Gulf War. Only idiots believe as fact anything that the so called news media reports these days.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

Sure. Turn off the TV. Don’t support the advertisers. Let the market handle the situation.

I think what bugs you is that there is a market for liberal news.

Why do we deserve the media we’ve got (which is crappy leftist media and crappy right wing media)?

Because both sides suck at compellingly espousing their values and ideals. So you get what we’ve got: pragmatists (of a sort) with no values but power.

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Again, it's not that simple. Media bias has evolved over the years. The age old "turn off the TV if you don't like it" is similar to saying, "don't use Google"

There has never been a point since TV began when a large number of people were upset enough to turn it off until recently with the NFL.

FWIW, I haven't watched network television news in over 20 years. I have not watched network television much at all in the last 5 years. Not because I"m bothered by it, but because it is not good content.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Again, it's not that simple. Media bias has evolved over the years. The age old "turn off the TV if you don't like it" is similar to saying, "don't use Google"

There has never been a point since TV began when a large number of people were upset enough to turn it off until recently with the NFL.

FWIW, I haven't watched network television news in over 20 years. I have not watched network television much at all in the last 5 years. Not because I"m bothered by it, but because it is not good content.

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Just because not enough people agree with you doesn’t mean it’s not simple. Maybe you’re a relative outlier in the market.

Instead of competing with ideas, the right created its own biased news source. Both sides just affirm what they already believed.

Trump is the culmination of this strategy. He’s a “win” for the current right. But I maintain that he’s a long-term loss for conservatism.

I loved Paul Harvey! Back in the 1960's he had a TV spot, where he'd be standing next to a lounge chair in a library, or a study, and for 15 minutes he delivered his views of the world. Of course he is best known for his radio shows. His noon 15 minute spot and his early morning "The Rest of the Story." Always ended his shows with... "Paul Harvey......good day!"

Rush and FOX were created out of the need for a true voice in media. Rush says that himself. His radio show began in 1988 and grew rapidly because good Americans finally heard the truth about the issues. The media had become so leftist, lying, defending the socialist agenda, one-sided, there was a void in the "news."

There was a time when the big 3, ABC, NBC, CBS were not that way. Walter Cronkite anchored the CBS Evening News. Frank Reynolds was at ABC, and David Brinkley was at NBC. In our house we usually watched ABC, my Dad preferred it over the others. But Walter Cronkite was okay too. We were never big fans of NBC. But the transition from being news organizations to propaganda machines for the left began in the '70's. The coverage of the Vietnam War and of the Watergate incident revealed the change in the networks. It was slanted to the left, even as they were still mostly "news" organizations. It was the beginning of the end of the so-called "main stream media."

I remember a local TV station in New Orleans (CBS affiliate WWL Channel 4) we would watch for local news. The news editor was Phil Johnson. His station presented the news, even when he and they might have personally didn't like it. Then at the end of the news show he did a 2-3 minute segment with his opinion of the latest big news story. That might have been Vietnam, or Watergate, or some other happening. He leaned left. Though he also called the left on the carpet when they deserved it. BUT! TV viewers were told he was just expressing his opinion.

Now, the lamestream media disguises (poorly) opinion as "news."

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

FoxNews most highly viewed programming is its most partisan. Ditto for MSNBC. Hannity, Maddow and Ingraham. People tune in because they want to be told they are smart and to be entertained. They don’t watch shows that challenge the way they think. FoxNews knows this and exploit$ it.

https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/cab...bc-1202864704/

There is a reason why people that report that they watch FoxNews test out as being less informed than people that don’t watch the news at all.

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A fair point, and the reality is that even if there was an unbiased news source available, my cable news consumption would only increase slightly from almost never to occasionally. Probably not a recipe for huge ratings. Maybe there is no hope for an unbiased media.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

Instead of competing with ideas, the right created its own biased news source. Both sides just affirm what they already believed.

Trump is the culmination of this strategy. He’s a “win” for the current right. But I maintain that he’s a long-term loss for conservatism.

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"Competing with ideas"? That's what the RINOs have been doing since Reagan. Until Rush and Fox News there was ZERO conservative voice.

You have the same definition of conservatism as the RINOs.

Trump is taking a bigger bite back from the Socialist than they are willing to give up. Almost 30 years of conservative destruction by the Bush clan, Clinton, and Obama are being taken back by Trump. That's a good thing, but you see it as bad.

Conservative outrage with MSM really speaks to an underlying entitlement mentality.

They really think that private-sector media companies "owe" them more right-leaning news.