Turn Off the NFL

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Originally Posted by inudesu

Are you sure that's how that expression has been consistently used? Only when someone gets violent or emotional? And nobody upset over this issue is getting emotional? Really?

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You can gauge emotion by reading words? Nah, you can gauge your own emotion while reading. The term arose from those who had a meltdown over Trumps win. Some who are still in meltdown are looking to turn the term on American Patriots who love the USA.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Your arrogant attempt to belittle those upset by the anti-patriots with "snowflake" is not accurate. Snowflakes either get emotional or violent. Those upset with the anti-patriots are neither violent or overly emotional.

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You are redefining snowflake. Snowflakes melt. Millennials have been labeled as snowflakes because they (allegedly) can't take criticism and need to be coddled as if they are delicate, like a snowflake. The term has been applied to liberals (particularly students having liberal view points) by conservatives because these students couldn't (allegedly) handle being educated on non-liberal points of view and would complain at the prospect that someone would try to lecture on something that they disagreed with, again because their sensibilities are so delicate.

So, you see, turnaround is fair play particularly where your sensibilities are getting offended. You are being delicate - like a snowflake.

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Originally Posted by atobulldog

I think this needs to be stated again in this thread.

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I think we should be told what is being protested so we will know. What are the concerns?

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Originally Posted by SNOWFLAKE

I think this needs to be stated again in this thread.

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Thanks, I missed it the first time.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

You are redefining snowflake. Snowflakes melt. Millennials have been labeled as snowflakes because they (allegedly) can't take criticism and need to be coddled as if they are delicate, like a snowflake. The term has been applied to liberals (particularly students having liberal view points) by conservatives because these students couldn't (allegedly) handle being educated on non-liberal points of view and would complain at the prospect that someone would try to lecture on something that they disagreed with, again because their sensibilities are so delicate.

So, you see, turnaround is fair play particularly where your sensibilities are getting offended. You are being delicate - like a snowflake.

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So where does that leave you when points of discussion are routinely met with "russian bot" or "snowflake." To me, you tend to exude the delicateness that you call out in others.

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Originally Posted by inudesu

I mean, people are talking about it, right? Although the conversation has mostly been about the manner of the protests.

And yeah, as others have said, there are a lot of motivations going on here. Some still trying to draw attention to what they've seen as systemic injustice, others wanting to show that they support the first group's ability to protest, and most trying to make a point about the president insulting their teammates/bosses/business/whatever.

The owners were trying to figure out how to mitigate the situation to keep making as much money as possible. The coaches just want to keep all the players unified and from being distracted/divided by political opinions.

So I don't know. I guess it depends. dawg80 doesn't like the manner of the protests because he feels kneeling during the anthem insults all Americans because of the actions of a few and paints with a broad brush. Others would say the same even if they had been protesting the original issue (police shootings) in another way - that most police are good, don't make too big of a thing about the actions of a few, etc. And yet, people are saying all over the place that they'll never watch another NFL game because some players did something they didn't like (which seems like you're painting with a broad brush about being upset over people painting with a broad brush, but - you know, that's where we are).

Where does that line of thinking end? And is our president making things better or worse here?

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Responding to this statement in particular:
"And yet, people are saying all over the place that they'll never watch another NFL game because some players did something they didn't like (which seems like you're painting with a broad brush about being upset over people painting with a broad brush, but - you know, that's where we are)."

The actions are certainly by some players. That is true. It is also being expressly permitted by the governing organization. An organization that has previously quashed attempts for players to show support of other causes they deem controversial. It is certainly more than just a few lone players (although when it was basically just Kaepernick people were already threatening a boycott). It has become an issue for the entire organization.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Thanks, I missed it the first time.

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Aww, how cute. And you proved my point in post #260. Thank you.

Snowflakes

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...827-story.html

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Originally Posted by atobulldog

So where does that leave you when points of discussion are routinely met with "russian bot" or "snowflake." To me, you tend to exude the delicateness that you call out in others.

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"Russian bot" is my response to a copied and pasted fake news story (typically coming from WND). That is what Russian bots do - pose as real people in social media and post fake news geared to stir up the audience.

"Snowflake" is new for me but very old for conservative posters on this forum, particularly our own Russian Bot, and I am simply speaking in the only language these people seem to understand.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

"Russian bot" is my response to a copied and pasted fake news story (typically coming from WND). That is what Russian bots do - pose as real people in social media and post fake news geared to stir up the audience.

"Snowflake" is new for me but very old for conservative posters on this forum, particularly our own Russian Bot, and I am simply speaking in the only language these people seem to understand.

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I've got it, you are no better than what you attempt to call out. If that is your standard, then so be it. Have fun and bless your heart.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

You are redefining snowflake. Snowflakes melt. Millennials have been labeled as snowflakes because they (allegedly) can't take criticism and need to be coddled as if they are delicate, like a snowflake. The term has been applied to liberals (particularly students having liberal view points) by conservatives because these students couldn't (allegedly) handle being educated on non-liberal points of view and would complain at the prospect that someone would try to lecture on something that they disagreed with, again because their sensibilities are so delicate.

So, you see, turnaround is fair play particularly where your sensibilities are getting offended. You are being delicate - like a snowflake.

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And yet here we are discussing our difference of opinions. And I would just like to say I am enjoying the discussion and I appreciate the people bringing different points of view into this discussion. To me, if you can stand up to a challenge you are not a snowflake. If you take some heat for your opinion and disappear, then you deserve the moniker. But that's just my definition.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

He had faith the police murdered Alton Sterling because he was a black man.

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And you have faith that he wasn't (all he said was that Alton Sterling was a unarmed...is that not true?)

Whether you agree is not the point. These protests are being labeled as disrespectful acts perpetrated by people that hate America. Reid, who was one of the first to act, says that's not true.

Perception is reality, and it seems most perceive their actions as disrespectful, regardless of motive. Actions have reactions & consequences, and this protest has divided more than united. As others have stated, offending people isn't usually the best route to awareness & change.

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Originally Posted by hambone29

Perception is reality, and it seems most perceive their actions as disrespectful, regardless of motive. Actions have reactions & consequences, and this protest has divided more than united. As others have stated, offending people isn't usually the best route to awareness & change.

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Perception is reality is a marketing slogan. It's seen as disrespectful because of the talking heads we fill our ears with. When, in any other context, has taking a knee been seen as disrespectful?

I would disagree that offending/startling people is not a good route to change. Anyone who's ever been in sales knows that doubt, uncertainty, and fear are great buying motivators.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

Perception is reality is a marketing slogan. It's seen as disrespectful because of the talking heads we fill our ears with. When, in any other context, has taking a knee been seen as disrespectful?

I would disagree that offending/startling people is not a good route to change. Anyone who's ever been in sales knows that doubt, uncertainty, and fear are great buying motivators.

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I guess you can call ole Kap and see if he achieved anything from it. In one article I saw this morning, the poll they stated said 64% of Americans see it as disrespectful. Not standing at attention with your hand over your heart IS disrespectful and has always been viewed as such. A knee during the national anthem has never been acceptable, and is against NFL rules. I am guessing the route they have taken has closed people off from giving a rats behind about their plight.