Why no Trump impeachment thread on Paw-Litics???

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Job growth has been about the same under Obama and Trump.

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Your lies are as big as Shitt's and Pelosi's and Nadler's. Anybody with a brain knows that many people, including college graduates, couldn't find jobs when Obama was the president. Trump comes in and cuts taxes and the job market starts growing to where we have the lowest unemployment in over 50 years. As someone that worked in heavy industry for 40 years I have first hand knowledge of what happens when taxes are cut for companies. There's those 3 little letters, ROI. They start bringing back all of those projects that were put in the back of the files for the last few years. That wasn't done under Obama. Trump gave companies the confidence they didn't have under Obama. We are now the #1 producer of oil and gas. We even have foreign companies coming here to build plants. That didn't happen under Obama.

Edit: I forgot about the jobs that Obama created by giving his buddy 500 million of our tax money for building a solar panel plant that supposedly went bankrupt in 6 months. Was any of that money ever recovered?

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Originally Posted by DONW

Your lies are as big as Shitt's and Pelosi's and Nadler's. Anybody with a brain knows that many people, including college graduates, couldn't find jobs when Obama was the president. Trump comes in and cuts taxes and the job market starts growing to where we have the lowest unemployment in over 50 years. As someone that worked in heavy industry for 40 years I have first hand knowledge of what happens when taxes are cut for companies. There's those 3 little letters, ROI. They start bringing back all of those projects that were put in the back of the files for the last few years. That wasn't done under Obama. Trump gave companies the confidence they didn't have under Obama. We are now the #1 producer of oil and gas. We even have foreign companies coming here to build plants. That didn't happen under Obama.

Edit: I forgot about the jobs that Obama created by giving his buddy 500 million of our tax money for building a solar panel plant that supposedly went bankrupt in 6 months. Was any of that money ever recovered?

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The BLS has the stats for job growth. You can look them up for yourself. Anecdotes are just that.

• CNN admits Trump correct: 2 Dems misquoted Ukraine call during impeachment markup

The more I hear about the stuff that was in the IG report, the more I think a lot of folks are going down (bigly).

There never should have been a single FISA warrant issued to spy on Carter Page (and by design, Donald Trump), and those warrants existed ONLY because documents were altered and lies were told (that the people KNEW to be lies) to the courts issuing the warrants. Hopefully this will be the end of the FISA program, because we have seen that some people think these tools are their own playthings to be used as they wish (and how incompetent community organizers are incapable of understanding the severity of using these tools).

I have to laugh at those accepting the shallow conclusion that there was nothing partisan about what was happening, because that conclusion came from merely asking those that altered documents and lied whether they did it for partisan purposes. This is going to get a lot uglier for these people before it is over.

God bless our President. Or as one of the jerks altering documents said, "viva la resistance".

The IG report didn’t say that the Carter Page wiretaps wouldn’t have been granted if the applications were correct.

But, yeah, maybe Trump and the Republicans will decide to now join the Democrats to support FISA reform.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

The IG report didn’t say that the Carter Page wiretaps wouldn’t have been granted if the applications were correct.

But, yeah, maybe Trump and the Republicans will decide to now join the Democrats to support FISA reform.

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Hmmmm. I heard the initial FISA request was denied, so they included the Steele dossier (under the premises it was verified) in subsequent requests and got what they wanted. If true, that kind of indicates they would not have been granted.

Besides, Carter Page was a patriot that worked with those agencies, so they had to lie about that to get the thing going to begin with.

This is REAL stuff. We shall see how real when the criminal investigations are done.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

The IG report didn’t say that the Carter Page wiretaps wouldn’t have been granted if the applications were correct.

But, yeah, maybe Trump and the Republicans will decide to now join the Democrats to support FISA reform.

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If the FISA judges are this effing dumb, then yeah, reform is needed. They can't be trusted to exercise good judgment, apparently.

It sounds to me like the FISA judges should be replaced. This can never happen to a citizen and especially, a President, again. Carter Page was never questioned by the FBI or Muellar's democrat lawyers. I think the goal of the FISA was to pick up a phone call with the President. I think they should go to Comey's house at 4 AM with 29 agents and knock his door in and arrest him and take him to jail barefooted. Seems like they did that to a couple of other guys.

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Originally Posted by DONW

It sounds to me like the FISA judges should be replaced. This can never happen to a citizen and especially, a President, again. Carter Page was never questioned by the FBI or Muellar's democrat lawyers. I think the goal of the FISA was to pick up a phone call with the President. I think they should go to Comey's house at 4 AM with 29 agents and knock his door in and arrest him and take him to jail barefooted. Seems like they did that to a couple of other guys.

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Or just stand his story ass in front of a firing squad and be done with the traitorous POS.

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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow

Hmmmm. I heard the initial FISA request was denied, so they included the Steele dossier (under the premises it was verified) in subsequent requests and got what they wanted. If true, that kind of indicates they would not have been granted.

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That isn’t true either. It was not denied.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

That isn’t true either. It was not denied.

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So, was there a news source that misreported that The initial FISA was denied? Did Republicans make it up?

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

That isn’t true either. It was not denied.

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According to Horwitz report it was denied before they included the Steele dossier.

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Originally Posted by DONW

According to Horwitz report it was denied.

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Nope, see the report below starting at page 156 of the pdf (page 121 of the report).

https://apps.npr.org/documents/docum...igation-Report

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Originally Posted by techman05

So, was there a news source that misreported that The initial FISA was denied? Did Republicans make it up?

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Honestly, I have no idea where this misinformation came from. But there is sooooo much misinformation being spun by the right wing, I don’t even try to keep up.

What we do know is that Trump keeps trying to cheat at elections and the Republicans are going to keep supporting him. It is a sad state of affairs.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Honestly, I have no idea where this misinformation came from. But there is sooooo much misinformation being spun by the right wing, I don’t even try to keep up.

What we do know is that Trump keeps trying to cheat at elections and the Republicans are going to keep supporting him. It is a sad state of affairs.

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Sad state of affairs indeed. You've been a useful tool in promoting every one of the dems conspiracy theories (including the Russian collusion junk), so it is no surprise that you have been easily duped AGAIN.

None of this back and forth here really matters because there are CRIMINAL investigations going on right now. Makes no difference what I believe. Perhaps we should focus on how bipartisan this impeachment process is....that speaks volumes.

Perhaps we will get to the bottom of the "insurance policy".

Perhaps we will get to the bottom of why Joe Biden actually withheld support from the Ukraine government until they fired the prosecutor investigating the company his son was being paid large sums of money to do nothing.

When these documents were altered to get the FISA warrants, what did the guy mean by viva la resistance? I am sure you will accept that these two things were not related at all, and then confer with yourself and decide it has been debunked!

Face it, Trump crashed the party and is exposing the corruption in a government that has gotten too big. Hopefully the truth will win the day.