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Capitol Police are saying the reported death of an officer was incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Always best to wait till all the facts are available. Always.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Like before bringing allegations of election fraud?Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
And collusion and obstruction and a lot of other things. But those aren't discussed in your chamber.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
All the facts will never be available.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
That was a heck of a breakup last night on the Senate floor by Lady G, though. He meant it. In the moment, at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Exactly correct about the election fraud/stealing as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Some of these Trumphards are so stupid they even said what their intent was in breaking into the capitol on social media. At least two of them were attorneys and really should have known better:
Saccone: "They broke down the gates, they're macing them up there. We're trying to run out all of the evil people in there and all of the RINOs that have betrayed our President. We're going to run them out of their offices."
Paul Davis (Tx): "we're all trying to get into the Capitol to stop this."
That is sedition, brother.
Lawyers are some of the crookest people there are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
CNN gave goosey a new vocabulary word. Well, CNN and the DNC (same thing really).Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I note that Johnny and others are using it as well.
Ever get tired of having your crank yanked and being a mimic?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Oh, I'm aware it's a real word and what it means. But suddenly it's the mantra of the DNC and media outlets, much like collusion, grift and others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
It's just the new word of the day to use to be in goose step with the rest of the Nazis. I used to wonder if Hitler or Stalin could happen here in America, and from what I've seen from you and others it would be easy. So willing to be led to be one of the "woke" ones.
And the stupid links. Do you ever think for yourself?
Only a dumb ass would use the non-word "woke", but it sounds ghetto and cool.
Maybe it is because SUDDENLY some folks committed the crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Stupid links? I am linking you to the words of the statute, because when it comes to determining whether someone committed a crime you start with the statute - not your feelings and opinions.
You calling DNW a dumb ass now?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
This is funny because a number of those who stormed the Capitol yesterday had Nazi sympathizer shirts on yesterday and they had just left a rally where one of the speakers referred to the things Hitler “got right”.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
But yeah, using the word sedition is a tell tale sign of...something
Capitol Police (or impersonators) opened doors that allowed people to peaceably enter the building. Clear video evidence of this exists. Who authorized them to do that if the general public was not supposed to be in the building?
Why were some Capitol Police officers sent home Wednesday at 10:00 AM when there were in excess of a million people on the Ellipse and elsewhere?
Sounds like a coordinated effort to allow Wednesday's incident to occur to be able to use it as a political weapon.
It is too much to just be a set of coincidences.
The reaction of left-wingnuts and their co-conspirators has been completely totalitarian. They want to take over America, plain and simple, by squashing all dissent.
Sedition is what has been happening by left-wingnuts non-stop since Trump rode the escalator in Trump Tower.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Wingnuts are frequently seditious...they usually don't get encouragement from the current administration. Trial by combat and what not.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDawg
What Trump did was wrong, and what the people did at the capitol was wrong.. But to say that BLM or Antifa did over the summer did not get encouragement from local and national lawmakers is dishonest.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
The violence over the summer was explicitly condemned by Biden on 3 separate occasions. Were there outliers? I'm sure there were. Just like Matt Gaetz saying it was ACTUALLY Antifa that stormed the capitol. I know the talking point on the right was that the left was fine with violence this summer, but the record says something different. Hell, I posted Biden's condemnations 3 or 4 times here and PD still says it didn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
In something rare of late, FD made a somewhat correct statement. Biden may have condemned the violence, but there were lawmakers encouraging it. I think the highest "ranking" lawmaker was Maxine Waters.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Mayors of Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, Kenosha, pulled police out of areas to allow protesters free reign.. Why did police not respond to the many examples of looting and vandalism/destruction/fires?
https://i.imgur.com/c29FGwa.jpg
This was an AOC tweet just over a month ago...
Replying to @AOC
The whole point of protesting is to make ppl uncomfortable.Activists take that discomfort w/ the status quo & advocate for concrete policy changes. Popular support often starts small & grows.To folks who complain protest demands make others uncomfortable... that’s the point.
11:16 AM · Dec 2, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
Well, you get 1 out of 5 for that one.
CNN's Chris Cuomo wondered Tuesday night why people expect protests to be "polite and peaceful."
"Please, show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful," he said. "Because I can show you that outraged citizens are what made the country what she is and led to any major milestone. To be honest, this is not a tranquil time."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...video-capitol/Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDawg
So only 1 of those quotes were "right"?Quote:
Originally Posted by JuBru
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
Only Waters' comment comes close to advocating violence. Harris', Ocasio-Cortez', and Pelosi's comment were not advocating violence.
I will grant that Pressley's comment could go either way. I don't think it advocates violence since the full comment was about making calls, sending emails, and showing up (being involved).
Interesting that the Anti-Defamation League warned that these pro-Trumpers were planning violence a couple days in advance.
https://www.adl.org/blog/extremists-...rtification-of
And this is why concession is a duty of a leader when they lose.
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Originally Posted by Guisslapp
There were going to be protest and violence regardless of who won IMO.
And it likely would have been much worse if Trump had won.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
You guys are nuts. Biden would have conceded and wouldn’t have pushed this whole “fraud” issue that got people believing they needed to take matters into their own hands.
So you think there would not have been violence if Trump had won? Surely you can’t be that stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Not only would there have been violence, but that violence would have been Trump's fault, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldawg81
Am I "woke" yet?
He knows it is just another a stupid buzz word. He puts it in quotes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
This clown was just arrested today.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
Warning: disturbing video of pro-Trumpers crushing and abusing officer in a door as he tried to keep them from breaking into capitol.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...-MAGA-mob.html
Defund the police! These poor souls need counseling, the task of social workers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Wonder what this pro-Trumper was planning on doing with the zipties.
https://twitter.com/sethabramson/sta...086729218?s=21
Comparing this riot at the capitol to BLM protests is laughable.
Agreed! the BLM riots were much worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Btw, this is why Russia wanted Trump.
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For some in Russia, the mayhem in Washington, D.C., and the chaotic end of the U.S. election cycle was cause for gloating: "America no longer charts the course, and therefore has lost all right to set it."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rfe.../31038013.html
"The celebration of democracy is over," said Konstantin Kosachyov, a veteran lawmaker who chairs the foreign affairs committee in the Federation Council, the upper house of parliament.
"The United States certainly cannot now impose its electoral standards on other countries and claim to be the world's 'beacon of democracy'," Leonid Slutsky, Kosachyov's counterpart in the State Duma, the lower chamber, was quoted as telling the state RIA Novosti news agency.
Bullshit!Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Those are quotes from the horse’s mouth. Russia wants to see American democracy fail. Trumpism is the best shot there has been in a long time for achieving that Russian objective.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
No, stealing elections will cause democracy to fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
This is a snowflake position. There’s no evidence, but you FEEL it was stolen. What happened to facts don’t care about your feelings?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
I think the "facts" are just going to be evidence (that can't be shown because it was destroyed, but only after Rudy discovered it) and then some name-calling.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Those are the facts.
And maybe some whatabouts for good measure.
Jonah Goldberg sums it up well: https://gfile.thedispatch.com/p/capi...rican-benghaziQuote:
Originally Posted by inudesu
You commies stole the 2020 POTUS election. Period. Again, high five each other and gloat. Congrats on the theft. It is just the latest in a long line of scandals and schemes wrought by the Left. Of course this one is the worst by far.
A few reminders:
Adam Shifty Schiff told the whole world, oh yeah, he had real evidence of Trump's Russian collusion that he was holding until the impeachment trial. Well...?
Quid pro quo Joe says there was no connection between a $billion in US aid and his wanting a prosecutor fired to save Hunter's ass from Ukrainian prison. Yet, he is on video boasting about it.
Krooked Killary had an illegal server, she and her ilk destroyed subpoenaed evidence, such as cell phones and laptops, which alone sends folks to prison.
The Mueller Report! LOL! :laugh: That joke speaks for itself.
And those same people, and social media tech, and the lamestream media all say we should trust them when they say the election wasn't stolen. After all, just look at their track record of honesty and integrity....:rolleyes4:
Social media and MSM? Nah. You should believe it because the courts have said about 60 times that there’s no merit to Trump’s claims...many of them Trump appointees.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Says the sucker that bought Russia collusion and QPQ based on biased, bogus investigations by Democratic operatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
That’s why you’ll forever be known as Johnny Lightweight.
Right. My gullibility directly correlates with a bunch of Trump lawyers ruling against him.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
Your Trump impression still sucks.
Every instance either the court dismissed it on some arbitrary procedural reason, such as "sorry, by law this petition had to have been filed within 72 hours of the election day. You missed it by a 1/2 day...so sorry, go away." Or in some cases the evidence had been destroyed and Trump's team knew it was futile to pursue it further. In one or more cases, Trump's lawyer(s) was delayed even being to file a petition to the court..."you can come in front of the bench next Wednesday." But, that would be too late, we need a court-ordered stay to secure ballots today! Of course by that "next Wednesday" all the ballots had been destroyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Again, I can go on with other examples. But, like Trump's team learned, it is water under the bridge now. Trump was right when he said he surprised them in 2016, but then they had 4 years to concoct an extensive scheme that involved poll workers, SOS, and judges in key districts and an army of hired workers to orchestrate it all. And they pulled it off...
But that's simply not true.
We've linked to the actual judge's statements for several of these cases. They weren't all dismissed on standing.
The facts were just not there.
This article has a short summary of all the cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by inudesu
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/elec...ry?id=74041748
I don't think those are all dismissed on standing or laches or technicalities. Doesn't seem that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Several were withdrawn. That would seem like maybe they weren't strong cases. And some address the merits.
A couple of those rulings (that we've quoted here) are really good explanations.
Are you calling standing and mootness/ripeness “arbitrary procedural reasons”? Those are constitutional reasons. It would be unconstitutional for a court to hear a case where the plaintiff lacked standing or where a court can’t provide the requested relief because the issue is moot.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Many were plain dismissed on the merits.Quote:
Originally Posted by inudesu
You think Mike Pence agrees with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Amen to all points.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by turbodawg
They have now arrested the two Trumpers that had the zip ties.
Zip ties should be banned
Google has been banned and debunked by Trump and the Senate. In fact, you’re not allowed to visit or post from or on Google, Facebook or Twitter. Sorry GL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Zip ties are for you liberal S&M crazies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Remember these statements during Antifa and BLM’s “summer of love” (death, destruction of government property, fires and injuries) around our great country. “People are going to do what they do” by Pelosi, “violent protests are a myth” by Nadler, and “these protests will continue before, during, and after the election”by Harris, who also bailed out criminals who were arrested during the riots; just to name a few. Liberals are such double standard hypocrites. What Democrats are trying to do is punish Trump for daring to beat Hillary Clinton in 2016 and to make an example of him so that no outsider or person who is not a member of the “ruling elitist political class” (ie... the Deep State) ever again runs for President.
Remember that time Mike Pence got pulled away from his work and evacuated to ensure continuity of government?Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Will be interesting to see if any of these rioters get charged with felony murder.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wtop.co...ers-death/amp/
Surely the person who actually used the fire extinguisher as a weapon is subject to serious charges. Manslaughter or some other charge, like 2nd degree murder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I am also following ALL the incidents of murder committed by Antifa/BLM types during their riots. Not much in the news, but in true murder cases both sides generally try to keep information from leaking out so as not to bias potential jurors.
The people that beat him will get regular murder. The other rioters that broke in are the ones that have felony murder exposure.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
To summarize, the people who initially breached the Capitol arrived well before Trump finished speaking. They would have had to left the Ellipse area BEFORE Trump started speaking if they were ever in that area at all to arrive at the Capitol when they did.
"Incitement" Timeline Debunked as Ex-Capitol Police Chief Says Pelosi, McConnell's Sergeants-at-Arms Refused Security Measures - The National Pulse
Goggle has been debunked and shut down due to inflammatoryQuote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
and biased articles and opinions.
The incitement wasn’t just the speech. It has been the last three months of pouring gasoline on conspiracy theory fires.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDawg
Here is the timeline in video:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews...%3fid=75112066
In the first few statements the narrator says in effect, "the riot began, with many coming from the rally at the White House joining in." Note he did not say, ALL (100%) of those who approached the capitol building came from the rally, which confirms what those who were there have said, it was Antifa operatives, who were bussed in and gathered separately, who arrived first and had already broken through the exterior barriers, those fences, and it was those same operatives who took the next step once the crowd had paused on the steps OUTSIDE of the capitol building. It was Antifa idiots who actually broke the glass and forced entry into the building.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Yes, some of the Trump supporters entered the capitol and did some stupid things. They were riled up, egged on, and succumbed to their anger (understandable anger) and did things they shouldn't have. But, none of the actual violence, especially against the police officers, has been verifiably linked to a confirmed Trump supporter. Of course, in that chaos and under the circumstances, they stupidly participated in the melee and are "guilty" of poor judgment.
I have since spoken directly to two people who were there. One stopped just inside of where the first barrier had been and went no closer to the capitol building. He/she says verbal reports were coming back to them, such as "some people have entered the building," and shouts of "those are Antifa!" with people pointing at some who had instigated the breaking down of the fences. The second person got closer, climbing the steps and witnessed confrontations between supporters and Antifa thugs. Shouts of "don't listen to them, don't follow them" went ignored by some. He/she told me there is no doubt it was planted Antifa thugs. None of this excuses those claiming to be Trump supporters who entered the building and some who probably joined in the physical destruction of property. They got caught up in the violence and like stupid sheep, followed the "leaders" of the attack.
I have received a few messages from others who say they knew nothing of the mess at the capitol building until they had returned to their hotel room and saw it on the news. Nothing...NOTHING...violent or even remotely alarming at happened at the rally at the White House. Yes, they knew that some of the crowd was going to walk to the capitol building to chant and cheer on and provide vocal support for the challenge to the results going on inside. And that is exactly what Trump had said too. Trump, in his naivety, actually thought Pence was going to invoke that provision which would have set aside the election results and placed it in the hands of state legislatures, or by proxy vote, and of which the GOP controls 37 state legislatures. That notion had been all over social media and the Net for weeks. And that was the plan, as I understand it. I wished those who were going a safe trip and good luck, and "stay out of trouble." And many thought the plan would work and all they would do is be there to cheer the news as it was announced. I sincerely think Donald Trump thought so too, which is effectively what he said several times and said again that day, and why he was shocked and then pissed at Pence who did nothing like that.
I mean how STUPID do you have to be to believe that Donald Trump had a plan that he thought was going to work IN HIS FAVOR, and that he would then send his legions to attack the building, and the process, that was going to deliver to him that victory. You cannot possibly be that stupid!
I realize that some of you THINK you know so much, but you don't know jack-shit.
Proud Boys dressed like Antifa. We knew they were doing that before the riot. Already posted that article.
As has been repeatedly pointed out, several of these groups organized in advance (including using social media) with the express purpose of storming the Capitol. Who incited them to organize this plan in advance? It has been the last several months of Trump pushing these lies trying to convince them that the election was stolen and they had to fight. This isn’t about one speech.
This is stochastic terrorism. Radicalization from demagoguery...
GL you are so full of it the last 10 days.
Did you hear the CNN reporter remarks that it was Fox, Newsmax, and OAN that are responsible for helping “prime President Trump’s supporters into not believing the truth.” ? Keep in mind that conservatives never faulted CNN or MSNBC when a Bernie Sanders supporter shot up a GOP baseball practice; the shooter was radicalized after the countless times prominent Democrats claimed their Republican counterparts were going to kill people with healthcare reform. Or when Maxine Watters called for violence?
Give it a rest!
There is more than one person responsible.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
There are now around 15 Capitol Police officers under investigation for their role in last Wednesday's incident. This confirms what is shown in numerous videos and again raises numerous questions.
Not the least among them...Who ordered what and why?
Police support Trump, right? We known the officer that lost his life did.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDawg
Here is the Trumper clown, in his own words, before he beats that cop with an American flag.
https://twitter.com/hotzn1/status/13...309844993?s=20
TDS is real.
So the QAnon Shaman told his mom to tell the press that he has t eaten since Friday because they won’t give him an all organic meal selection?!?!?!?!
That’s the most snowflake thing I’ve ever heard.
Very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Proud Boys dressed like Antifa who dressed like Trump Supporters to.... LOL! :laugh: Let me see if I can sort this out...hmmm, a wolf put on sheep's clothing and then put on wolf's clothing to fool the other sheep...no wait, the other sheep recognized the wolves when they got off the Antifa busses...
How about this? Antifa tried to pass themselves off as Trump supporters and are the ones responsible for instigating the violence. Who's razor is that...Occam's?
This isn’t after-the-fact conspiracy theory. It was reported that they were going to do this before the riots occurred.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Check the date on the reporting:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bus...k-2021-1%3famp
This plan was hatched on Parler... and Parker’s failure to moderate this type of behavior is why they are getting dropped by companies that have found a new religion on responsibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Google has been debunked. Fake news and info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
JANUARY 11, 2021
Antifa marches through NYC as fears of political violence heighten
Antifa protesters carrying shields and wearing helmets marched through New York on Sunday. (AM New York)
Dozens of Antifa protesters wearing helmets and carrying shields marched through New York City on Sunday calling for President Trump to be impeached as fears of political violence continue to heighten.
The group marched from Central Park to Madison Square Park, the New York Post reported.
"Burn it down," marchers chanted as they passed a New York police substation in Times Square. There were no reports of violence and no arrests were made, according to the newspaper.
https://www.watch.org/index.html?mcat=1
That will be the leftist of BLM or Antifa. TDS is terrible!!
Florida Manatee Mutilated By Someone Who Etched ‘Trump’ Onto Its Back
By CBSMiami.com Team
January 12, 2021 at 5:50 am
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2021/01/1...p-etched-back/
Wonder if this left wing-nut will be canceled next. Probably not.
PBS Principal Counsel Lays Out Violent Radical Agenda; Says Americans Are ‘F*cking Dumb’ … ‘Go to White House & Throw Molotovs’ … ‘Put [Children] into Re-Education Camps…Watch PBS All Day’ … ‘COVID Spiking in Red States…[Red State Voters] Are Sick & Dying’ | Project Veritas
Not happening as even Antifa, BLM, Black Panthers won’t be cancelled by Twitter, Google , Facebook etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDawg
The only groups cancelled by the above with be conservative, white, Jewish and Christian type groups or companies that have any different speech and ideology different from the commie and elitist leftist.
From the Joint Chiefs of Staff:
“The violent riot in Washington, D.C. on January 6, 2021 was a direct assault on the U.S. Congress, the Capitol building, and our Constitutional process. We mourn the deaths of the two Capitol policemen and others connected to these unprecedented events.
We witnessed actions inside the Capitol building that were inconsistent with the rule of law. The rights of freedom of speech and assembly do not give anyone the right to resort to violence, sedition and insurrection.
As Service Members, we must embody the values and ideals of the Nation. We support and defend the Constitution. Any act to disrupt the Constitutional process is not only against our traditions, values, and oath; it is against the law.“
If there was still any doubt, the US military is calling it sedition and an insurrection.
I like this game. What do they call the attacks on police and federal agents in all the crap hole liberal cities by leftists extremists(but I repeat myself)?
Those are crimes too. Just not sedition. This was a failed overthrow of the government that was planned across Twitter, Parler, Gab and other messaging platforms. This was an attack on the Constitution specifically.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Not crimes according to the throngs of people who have not suffered a consequence. They revolt against and attack government officials. Close enough to sedition if we stop trying to split hairs that aren’t even there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I am guessing you haven’t seen the details regarding the planning and goals of these attacks and the fact that other attacks were/are being planned. Enormous difference. Both are bad. This is next level and the consequences will be too.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
I did see where the feds knew about this and didn’t plan very well.
A clearer picture of what happened inside the Capitol, Sherwin (US Attorney for DC) said, is "going to come into laser focus I think over the next weeks and days, and I think people are going to be shocked with some of the egregious contact that happened within the Capitol."