2016 Presidential Campaign

National Review: Trump 2016 Would’ve Beaten Obama 2012

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Was Donald Trump just good enough to beat a bad Democratic opponent on Tuesday, or does he deserve far more credit? Could he, for instance, have competed with the vaunted Obama machine?


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Analysis: Trump Would Have Beaten Obama in '12!

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

National Review: Trump 2016 Would’ve Beaten Obama 2012

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Was Donald Trump just good enough to beat a bad Democratic opponent on Tuesday, or does he deserve far more credit? Could he, for instance, have competed with the vaunted Obama machine?


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Analysis: Trump Would Have Beaten Obama in '12!

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I just came here to post that! you beat me to it! I find that quite fascinating.

Yep, and the Never Trumpers who were saying any other (R) candidate WOULD have beaten Klinton, but Trump could never are also being proven wrong. Kasich is an interesting exception to that as some of what I've read gives him a good chance to have beaten her too. But, no others even come close. So, Frank Luntz's star has crashed, much like what happened to Dick Morris when he said 'Romney's got this in the bag.'

Based on what I've read so far, Trump supporters fit into 3 broad categories:

1. 40% - just Republican voters. These people would have voted for Jeb Bush had he been the nominee.
2. 20% - Trump "likers." They are anti-democrapic, mostly independent types who often DON'T vote in presidential elections, but when they do, they are just as likely to vote 3rd party. Only, this year, they really hooked on to Trump. Some were fans of his from his TV show!
3. 40% - anti-establishment voters. Some of these WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR BERNIE SANDERS if it had been, say a Sanders vs. Jeb Bush election.

So, those who said Repub primary voters chose the worst possible candidate, the one candidate that the unpopular Killary could have beaten, were simply WRONG!!!

The libtard side of the equation is more solidly in lock-step. While an (R) will always get the #1 group, that 40%, the (D) side is about 46% and there are more (D) voters in this country.

Now, what would have happened in one of these scenarios?

Sanders vs. Trump? Based on what I've read, Bernie Sanders would be the president-elect today. Eeeeeking out a very narrow EC win.
Sanders vs. any other (R) candidate? With the exception of Kasich, Sanders beats any other fairly easily in the EC. Only Kasich would have put up some fight.

So....it appears it was the demo primary voters who made the wrong choice!

All of this is based on a summary of several pundits' blogs I have been following for over a year, with each giving their "what if" opinion now. Their analysis is rooted in stats, like polls, surveys, and the exit polls.

Based on that, the traditional Republican party of Reagan is over. Populism and Nationalism can beat Marxism/Socialism, but Conservatism is over in this country.... at least at a federal level. There are still conservative states.

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

National Review: Trump 2016 Would’ve Beaten Obama 2012

http://media.breitbart.com/media/201...ty-420x315.jpg

Was Donald Trump just good enough to beat a bad Democratic opponent on Tuesday, or does he deserve far more credit? Could he, for instance, have competed with the vaunted Obama machine?


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Analysis: Trump Would Have Beaten Obama in '12!

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I've been wrong on every single count so far but:

I think Trump was made possible largely by Obama's treatment of that voting block. Not that he necessarily would win or lose in 2012, but that a lot of his support was mobilized by what Obama did after 2012.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Yep, and the Never Trumpers who were saying any other (R) candidate WOULD have beaten Klinton, but Trump could never are also being proven wrong. Kasich is an interesting exception to that as some of what I've read gives him a good chance to have beaten her too. But, no others even come close. So, Frank Luntz's star has crashed, much like what happened to Dick Morris when he said 'Romney's got this in the bag.'

Based on what I've read so far, Trump supporters fit into 3 broad categories:

1. 40% - just Republican voters. These people would have voted for Jeb Bush had he been the nominee.
2. 20% - Trump "likers." They are anti-democrapic, mostly independent types who often DON'T vote in presidential elections, but when they do, they are just as likely to vote 3rd party. Only, this year, they really hooked on to Trump. Some were fans of his from his TV show!
3. 40% - anti-establishment voters. Some of these WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR BERNIE SANDERS if it had been, say a Sanders vs. Jeb Bush election.

So, those who said Repub primary voters chose the worst possible candidate, the one candidate that the unpopular Killary could have beaten, were simply WRONG!!!

The libtard side of the equation is more solidly in lock-step. While an (R) will always get the #1 group, that 40%, the (D) side is about 46% and there are more (D) voters in this country.

Now, what would have happened in one of these scenarios?

Sanders vs. Trump? Based on what I've read, Bernie Sanders would be the president-elect today. Eeeeeking out a very narrow EC win.
Sanders vs. any other (R) candidate? With the exception of Kasich, Sanders beats any other fairly easily in the EC. Only Kasich would have put up some fight.

So....it appears it was the demo primary voters who made the wrong choice!

All of this is based on a summary of several pundits' blogs I have been following for over a year, with each giving their "what if" opinion now. Their analysis is rooted in stats, like polls, surveys, and the exit polls.

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If anything this election has taught us, is that stats, polls, and surveys are completely wrong. There was 1 poll that had Trump winning and it was the LA Times/ USC poll, All the rest had Hillary winning and most were above the margin of error

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

National Review: Trump 2016 Would’ve Beaten Obama 2012

http://media.breitbart.com/media/201...ty-420x315.jpg

Was Donald Trump just good enough to beat a bad Democratic opponent on Tuesday, or does he deserve far more credit? Could he, for instance, have competed with the vaunted Obama machine?


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Analysis: Trump Would Have Beaten Obama in '12!

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He has updated his story, Obama would have still beaten Trump 2012. He used the wrong voting numbers

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Originally Posted by longdawgview

If anything this election has taught us, is that stats, polls, and surveys are completely wrong. There was 1 poll that had Trump winning and it was the LA Times/ USC poll, All the rest had Hillary winning and most were above the margin of error

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Hillary got almost 4 million votes less than Obama while Trump got essentially the same as Romney.

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Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde

Hillary got almost 4 million votes less than Obama while Trump got essentially the same as Romney.

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:D

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Yep, and the Never Trumpers who were saying any other (R) candidate WOULD have beaten Klinton, but Trump could never are also being proven wrong. Kasich is an interesting exception to that as some of what I've read gives him a good chance to have beaten her too. But, no others even come close. So, Frank Luntz's star has crashed, much like what happened to Dick Morris when he said 'Romney's got this in the bag.'

Based on what I've read so far, Trump supporters fit into 3 broad categories:

1. 40% - just Republican voters. These people would have voted for Jeb Bush had he been the nominee.
2. 20% - Trump "likers." They are anti-democrapic, mostly independent types who often DON'T vote in presidential elections, but when they do, they are just as likely to vote 3rd party. Only, this year, they really hooked on to Trump. Some were fans of his from his TV show!
3. 40% - anti-establishment voters. Some of these WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR BERNIE SANDERS if it had been, say a Sanders vs. Jeb Bush election.

So, those who said Repub primary voters chose the worst possible candidate, the one candidate that the unpopular Killary could have beaten, were simply WRONG!!!

The libtard side of the equation is more solidly in lock-step. While an (R) will always get the #1 group, that 40%, the (D) side is about 46% and there are more (D) voters in this country.

Now, what would have happened in one of these scenarios?

Sanders vs. Trump? Based on what I've read, Bernie Sanders would be the president-elect today. Eeeeeking out a very narrow EC win.
Sanders vs. any other (R) candidate? With the exception of Kasich, Sanders beats any other fairly easily in the EC. Only Kasich would have put up some fight.

So....it appears it was the demo primary voters who made the wrong choice!

All of this is based on a summary of several pundits' blogs I have been following for over a year, with each giving their "what if" opinion now. Their analysis is rooted in stats, like polls, surveys, and the exit polls.

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Don't forget
#4 The ABC (Anybody But Hillary)/I hate Hillary and the Clinton's voters. And many were Democrats.
#5 I hate ObamaCare voters.

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Originally Posted by JuBru

The two most important things about Melania to the left: 1) born Soviet (their dream); 2) posed nude.

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Trump should have had her and her story on the trail and on TV much more.

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Originally Posted by skilldawg

Where is woof?

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We popped his balloon so he doesn't want to play now.

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

Trump should have had her and her story on the trail and on TV much more.

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And those photos of her and that other girl......WOW!!!

To all those crybaby Democrats that are marching and crying....EMBRACE THE SUCK!!!!! That is what I had to do in 2008 and 2012 when Obozo won! Now IT IS YOUR TURN!!!

The Dems had better get their smit together and gain some morals and quick pointing at Trump. :D

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