Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
dawg80
So...if the GOP loses one or both of these Senate elections, there will be NO DOUBT the elections were stolen, no doubt!
Or the polls were wrong.
Or the "vote was stolen so let's punish the local Republicans by not voting for them because they didn't protect Trump" crew is bigger than expected.
You can't just say "it's the way I want it or it was cheating." That's the way a spoiled child plays candyland, not the way the world works. There could be cheating, but you have to show the actual cheating, not just say "I thought it would be different, therefore it didn't happen."
And yeah, that works both ways. Wasn't this the conservative stance in 2016?
For the record, I think both Republicans will win, and I think that's probably better for America. That's what I want (although have you looked at those candidates? Not terribly inspiring). But if it doesn't happen, you've got to look at what actually did happen. You can't just decide ahead of time that it was rigged. There is incredible scrutiny on this race (just like there has been on their presidential election). It'll be watched extremely closely by both sides. Should be very secure.
Re: Presidential Election 2020
I don't live in Georgia, but have family and friends who do, all of whom, like many of us here are VERY tuned-in to politics. They have cited sources and it is they who say anything other than a GOP sweep will mean voter fraud took place. Since I know them...know them to be honest and of the highest integrity, and I don't know you, I will stick with their assessment.
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
dawg80
I don't live in Georgia, but have family and friends who do, all of whom, like many of us here are VERY tuned-in to politics. They have cited sources and it is they who say anything other than a GOP sweep will mean voter fraud took place. Since I know them...know them to be honest and of the highest integrity, and I don't know you, I will stick with their assessment.
Oh, well gosh.
If your relatives say that's the only possible outcome, should we even bother with an election? Why not just call it now?
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
inudesu
Oh, well gosh.
If your relatives say that's the only possible outcome, should we even bother with an election? Why not just call it now?
BTW, when I would say to any of them, like my brother, "Trump is gonna carry Georgia!" They would respond, "We hope so." They said back in August and September there was every indication it was gonna be very close. Then a week before the election my own brother told me he and some others were working as hard as they could to "change some minds." Members of his church, in which he is a deacon, especially the women, were not keen on voting for Trump. He later half-joked to me the 19th Amendment was a big mistake...shhh! he added.
Point is...my relatives nailed it. I still think Georgia was stolen from Trump, but the legit vote was very, very close, making it possible to steal it. And now, my relatives tell me, most of those anti-Trumpers of November 3rd are on-board for the two GOP candidates.
Another BTW, I posted after Barrett was confirmed that that would hurt Trump's reelection bid nationwide. Just read an interesting editorial, citing some exit-polling data, that many "in the middle" wanted Trump to appoint as many SC justices as possible, but never wanted him as POTUS, and they voted for him in 2016 just to keep Killary from being able to make the appointments. That mission accomplished three times, they wanted to also get rid of Trump. How much actual effect that had in the results is hard to say, but it had some.
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
dawg80
Another BTW, I posted after Barrett was confirmed that that would hurt Trump's reelection bid nationwide. Just read an interesting editorial, citing some exit-polling data, that many "in the middle" wanted Trump to appoint as many SC justices as possible, but never wanted him as POTUS, and they voted for him in 2016 just to keep Killary from being able to make the appointments. That mission accomplished three times, they wanted to also get rid of Trump. How much actual effect that had in the results is hard to say, but it had some.
I don't think it would have made that big of a change in the results, but I do wonder if that was a strategic blunder. If there is an option vacancy, you might drive some "hold their nose" voters to vote for Trump to make sure that seat went conservative that otherwise were more comfortable with voting the other way or not voting otherwise. Maybe. Of course, that might have driven motivation the other way, too. It was already a pretty high turnout though, so maybe it would have all washed out.
It also exposed some hypocrisy, but I doubt that changed anyone's vote.
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
dawg80
I still think Georgia was stolen from Trump
How many recounts to you want?
Maybe we should drop the Australian rules and go back to public voting so there won't be any doubts.
Re: Presidential Election 2020
How about just one REAL one! That would work. But, it's not so much the recounts, if all you do is recount the illegal ballots again. Ballot verification is needed first, then a real recount. In that case, Trump wins Georgia, and probably Wisconsin, Michigan, and Arizona too. Pennsylvania and Nevada? Not so sure, but I would still like to see the REAL count.
Re: Presidential Election 2020
All while ignoring the Biden theft by Joe and his kid and his brother.
Published 1 hour ago
Top Facebook, Twitter execs donated tens of thousands of dollars to Biden campaign.
No Facebook or Twitter executives were found to have donated to Trump's campaign.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fac...ons-censorship
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
TYLERTECHSAS
All while ignoring the Biden theft by Joe and his kid and his brother.
Published 1 hour ago
Top Facebook, Twitter execs donated tens of thousands of dollars to Biden campaign.
No Facebook or Twitter executives were found to have donated to Trump's campaign.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fac...ons-censorship
Why does this matter?
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
FriscoDog
What I don't understand is why they didn't go ahead and call Alaska, but kept it "undecided" for over a week. Trump had a 2:1 margin over Biden, and 50% of the vote was in. Yet they never called it.
And what about Florida? Trump was ahead by over 5% with way over 90% of the vote in with mainly Panhandle votes (decidedly favoring Trump) still outstanding.
Then just a few minutes after the tardy Florida call was finally made, the premature Arizona call was rushed out with the on-air crew unaware and surprised. Elections that end with barely a 10,000 vote margin aren't called when 95% of the vote is in, much less when only half the vote is in as with Arizona.
Did Arnon Mishkin (disgraced head of the FNC polling unit) have access to the Dominion algorithm from Maricopa County that told him the system would make sure Biden won?
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Y'all ever hear of Occam's Razor? Sometimes news agencies call election results because the information that they have shows that one candidate is going to win. Doesn't that make more sense than some kind of Fox conspiracy against their cash cow?
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“Whether they were premature or right on time, the fact of the matter is that they were calling the races in the way races should be called, instead of through the lens that Trump would prefer,” said Frank Sesno, a former CNN correspondent and director of strategic initiatives at George Washington University’s School of Media and Public Affairs. “That’s their job.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN27K2BA
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
inudesu
From my perspective, and in my opinion, the "networks" did not call the races consistently from each state. I even said same thing to my wife when Arkansas was called in favor of Trump.. How could they call Arkansas for Trump when only 4% of the vote was in? It didn't make any sense.
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
FriscoDog
From my perspective, and in my opinion, the "networks" did not call the races consistently from each state. I even said same thing to my wife when Arkansas was called in favor of Trump.. How could they call Arkansas for Trump when only 4% of the vote was in? It didn't make any sense.
What does any of that have to do with the actual results? I know a lot of the networks you guys hate the most did not call AZ or PA early...and did call FL. Are you asserting that news bias actually had an effect on the outcome?
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
FriscoDog
From my perspective, and in my opinion, the "networks" did not call the races consistently from each state. I even said same thing to my wife when Arkansas was called in favor of Trump.. How could they call Arkansas for Trump when only 4% of the vote was in? It didn't make any sense.
I believe that each network/agency has a policy. I doubt they make them public, but I truly believe they're mostly applied consistently (within their frameworks). Of course I could be wrong, and naturally in specific situations you could argue that one policy hurts or helps a particular campaign, but generally I would expect it to all come out in the wash.
But in 100% full disclosure, I haven't watched election results come in since maybe the first part of the 2000 race. I find that kind of thing torturous. I vote early, and I'm going to vote either way. So I just go to bed and find out what happened in the morning.
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
johnnylightnin
What does any of that have to do with the actual results? I know a lot of the networks you guys hate the most did not call AZ or PA early...and did call FL. Are you asserting that news bias actually had an effect on the outcome?
I assumed it was just part of the general free-flowing discussion of the election overall.
If that was meant as an argument for a "stolen election" or "Trump really won" or "deep state caught red-handed" or "proof of fraud" or something, then I'd have the same questions. But I didn't take it that way. I assumed the Dominion thing was a joke.
