No issues if airlines get money from the Fed Government but you do take issue if states get it. Gotcha.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
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No issues if airlines get money from the Fed Government but you do take issue if states get it. Gotcha.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
No issues if airlines got NO MONEY... go back and read my post... Nice try little buddy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Go back and read it yourself. “If airlines got money or not”.. which where I am from means that you also take no issues if they get money. Yet you do if states get money.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
I guess one was much higher risk for contracting it and the other was otherwise healthy, save the RA, which could’ve been a significant factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Where’s your less than 1% come from? I do know more than a couple hundred people...
And, no, I don’t know anyone that has ‘caught’ it a second time. Is that possible?
Young healthy people don't die. That was my point. If they don't catch it a second time and don't get very sick, why live in fear which is part 2 of my point. We've heard college football coaches discussing this.Quote:
Originally Posted by turbodawg
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...eaths-databaseQuote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
You are wrong.
Thoughts on this?
https://gbdeclaration.org/?fbclid=Iw...vqrMva2tvQGIj8
I think we don't know enough about the virus to adopt this approach. We don't know if immunity is durable. We don't know what the actual death rates are (in part because testing is too limited at this time). Most importantly, we don't know what the long term effects of the virus will be. Is the cardiac inflamation we see in many cases permanent? How long does it last? Is there long term lung scarring?Quote:
Originally Posted by GonzoDawg
I do, however, agree with their concerns about the effects of lockdowns. Unfortunately, many in the west refuse to abide by the simple guidelines that would allow us to open up to near normal rates. My doctor says that if everybody would mask up and keep their distance when they are not in their own homes or outside and distanced, the disease would die out in 12 weeks.
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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I wonder what your Dr. knows that these do not?
On October 4, 2020, this declaration was authored and signed in Great Barrington, United States, by:
Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring of infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.
Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.
Dr. Rajiv Bhatia, physician, epidemiologist and public policy expert at the Veterans Administration, USA
Dr. Stephen Bremner,professor of medical statistics, University of Sussex, England
Dr. Anthony J Brookes, professor of genetics, University of Leicester, England
Dr. Helen Colhoun, ,professor of medical informatics and epidemiology, and public health physician, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr. Angus Dalgleish, oncologist, infectious disease expert and professor, St. George’s Hospital Medical School, University of London, England
Dr. Sylvia Fogel, autism expert and psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital and instructor at Harvard Medical School, USA
Dr. Eitan Friedman, professor of medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Uri Gavish, biomedical consultant, Israel
Dr. Motti Gerlic, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Gabriela Gomes, mathematician studying infectious disease epidemiology, professor, University of Strathclyde, Scotland
Dr. Mike Hulme, professor of human geography, University of Cambridge, England
Dr. Michael Jackson, research fellow, School of Biological Sciences, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
Dr. Annie Janvier, professor of pediatrics and clinical ethics, Université de Montréal and Sainte-Justine University Medical Centre, Canada
Dr. David Katz, physician and president, True Health Initiative, and founder of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, USA
Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden
Dr. Laura Lazzeroni, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and of biomedical data science, Stanford University Medical School, USA
Dr. Michael Levitt, biophysicist and professor of structural biology, Stanford University, USA.
Recipient of the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
Dr. David Livermore, microbiologist, infectious disease epidemiologist and professor, University of East Anglia, England
Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden
Dr. Paul McKeigue, physician, disease modeler and professor of epidemiology and public health, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics, expert on vaccine development, efficacy, and safety. Tufts University School of Medicine, USA
Dr. Ariel Munitz, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Yaz Gulnur Muradoglu, professor of finance, director of the Behavioural Finance Working Group, Queen Mary University of London, England
Dr. Partha P. Majumder, professor and founder of the National Institute of Biomedical Genomics, Kalyani, India
Dr. Udi Qimron, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Matthew Ratcliffe, professor of philosophy, specializing in philosophy of mental health, University of York, England
Dr. Mario Recker, malaria researcher and associate professor, University of Exeter, England
Dr. Eyal Shahar, physician, epidemiologist and professor (emeritus) of public health, University of Arizona, USA
Dr. Karol Sikora MA, physician, oncologist, and professor of medicine at the University of Buckingham, England
Dr. Matthew Strauss, critical care physician and assistant professor of medicine, Queen’s University, Canada
Dr. Rodney Sturdivant, infectious disease scientist and associate professor of biostatistics, Baylor University, USA
Dr. Simon Thornley, epidemiologist and biostatistician, University of Auckland, New Zealand
Dr. Ellen Townsend, professor of psychology, head of the Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, England
Dr. Lisa White, professor of modelling and epidemiology, Oxford University, England
Dr. Simon Wood, biostatistician and professor, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
You think their position is the majority opinion? The thoughts on their declaration was my own, not my doctors. I just shared his thoughts on the effectiveness of masking (essentially what Fauci has said).Quote:
Originally Posted by GonzoDawg
I'm not real sure or interested in the "majority opinion".Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I thought that's why you asked about them vs. my doctors. Do you like their declaration because it makes medical sense to you or because it tells you what you already wanted to hear?Quote:
Originally Posted by GonzoDawg
Or we could just do what the Pacific Rim did to get this under control, and they are not under lockdowns.Quote:
Originally Posted by GonzoDawg
But that starts with getting rid of the ringleader of anti-science hooliganism is the White House. We need Republicans to start embracing and exemplifying the common sense disease control practices that will encourage the population at large to stop viewing common sense disease control part of political identity.
This article did a better job of articulating my thoughts about the declaration: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/grea...entific-divide
That link does not prove me wrong. My points...Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Young otherwise healthy people (< 40) are not dying from china virus - WELL under .1 of 1% if at all.
People are not getting sick for the second time...yet.