.. and which TECH official would you like to ignore your suggestion??Quote:
Originally Posted by rockdog
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.. and which TECH official would you like to ignore your suggestion??Quote:
Originally Posted by rockdog
Sooner--I'm right there with you. It's like a witch hunt--pitchforks and all. I've been fighting this fight on the other Tech XX thread. I suggest you just ignore that thread completely. Otherwise, your blood pressure might get out of control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soonerdawg
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgFight71
I am not a pet person. I think that people that do things like Mike Vick did to intentionally hurt animals should be punished. I understand that many people love their pets like one of their family. However, I think we have gotten way to protective of animals in general. We are okay with slaughtering thousands of cows, chickens, pigs for food. I grew up on a farm. If a stray dog knocks up one of our dogs, as soon as the mutts are born they are put down. Animals are called animals for a reason. No one should ever be punished for an accident/poor decision in which a dog dies no matter how negligent. The employee was punished, not because the dog died/ not because they made a mistake, but because they lied. I am fine with having a live mascot, but I am fine not having one.
+1 except for the kissing part!Quote:
Originally Posted by Soonerdawg
STF
Sad to hear about Tech XX.
Accidents happen. This situation really doesn't justified animal cruelty just a mistake by employee. The employee shouldn't lied about but it was probably some 18 yr old kid that made a bad decision.
If the facts are vetted and that is the conclusion, then so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by longdawgview
To say so without knowing the facts is assinine.
? If your looking for hard evidence there will be none. Just someone's wordQuote:
Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde
Well said Sooner. Dr. Sexton is a fine human being and is probably a lot more upset about this situation than anyone else on this board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soonerdawg
Interestingly enough I just saw on the news where it says the guilty employee alleged that the dog had been kidnapped. If that is true, that by far constitutes jail time.
I agree with you totally!Quote:
Originally Posted by Soonerdawg
Accidents do happen and I can't imagine what this man and his family are going through right now. I'm sure he'll do everything in his power to make this as right as he possibly can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soonerdawg
This story sure is making the rounds. I hope our football team gets this much coverage during the season.
I agree that this was negligent on the part of the employee, but putting someone in jail would be stupid.
Yahoo! sports:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-...12--ncaaf.html
USA Today:
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...sing-tech-xx/1
Shreveport Times:
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/artic...sectionstories
New Orleans Times Picayune (NOLA.com)
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2...h_bulldog.html
NBC Sports:
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcspor...-away/related/
Bleacher Report:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...empted-coverup
WAFB, Baton Rouge:
http://www.wafb.com/story/19170951/tech-xx
Amen, Sooner! The hate on this Board astounds me sometimes. This was obviously an unintentional accident. Patrick is a great guy, an outstanding vet, and has done a lot for Tech and Ruston. I know he is devastated about the dog and he let the employee go. Some people on here act like he and the employee should be crucified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soonerdawg
My question exactly???Quote:
Originally Posted by GermDawg
While I don't think charges will be filed. Anyone who has had any contact with Bullies knows that the smallest amount of heat can shut them down easily. This is an employee at a vets office, regardless of age, there was failure to maintain reasonable care. It would be horrible if it was just someones pet, but this was the Universities mascot and Dr. Sexton's son (the bosses kid) had a very close bond to the dog. Even more reason to take extra care, then to try and cover it up adds another layer to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by longdawgview
It's an accident if the employee comes forward as soon as it happens. It is past a mistake. The employee passed that line by knowingly covering it up, and if they did destroy the body, its another log on the pile. (hopefully this was not the case)
As far as it being an 18 year old kid, our vet 1 and 2 kids here at the school I teach at (high school) know the basics of animal care (heat, cold, etc) before they are ever placed for their internships.
THIS!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BhadDawg
I don't care how sordid the details. Answer the question: Where's the body and what was done with it?
I would love to know what this person did with Tech XX and where he hid his body. I have been told that Tech was cremated today.Quote:
Originally Posted by TXDAWG81
This is extremly painful...I've raised two wonderful dogs over the last 22 years and not once was there neglegence of any type ! A school mascot should have the utmost respect and care, as in any pet. I'm sorry I'm not excusing this neglet. Before there's another Tech XXI, there should be the Right accomodations and the utmost care procedures before he's brought into the school system. The Air Force Falcon get's STAR like treatment, Mike the Tiger at LSU is treated like a King and has a wonderful facility. That's all I have to say for now - I need to cool off before I say something I might regret... May God bless those that choose the next Bulldog XXI and the Best facility and procedures to house him.
Here's Uncle Donald's take on it that may give you idea as to what happened.
"Some of you may know that Dr. Sexton is my nephew; I have not talked to him directly, but I suspect that it did not take him long to figure out what happened and took until today to get the kid to admit it. I feel sure it was a negligence on the part of the kid by leaving the dog alone…. and especially, for too long … very likely talking to his girlfriend … or playing some video game….huh?"
Who is Uncle Donald?Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
Donald's sister is Sexton's mother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgmatic
It may be that this much detail into their lineage published on the world wide web was not necessary. You may want to edit some of that. Just saying.
This is a tragic event and we are all hurt. I feel especially bad because I buried my own family dog last week, and this really hits home. The fact is that I have known Patrick Sexton for several years, and I know he must feel terrible about this situation. He is a good man and an excellent vet. This was a tragic mistake by an employee who then panicked and made the situation much worse. It is a tragic loss, but we must take a breath and let time heal.
Bless your heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sw
This whole situation is disappointing and very sad. All of us have made mistakes. Assuming the employee of the vet is a good person I am sure this is weighing heavy on them. When I was young I made bad decisions and overreacted the wrong way to things I should have handled better. This person is probably overwhelmed. Just keep things in perspective. I'm sure it was an honest mistake and a wrong reaction to something that must have seemed magnitudes in proportion.
I've tried to stay out of this convo since day one. Claiborne Animal Clinic lost our Boston Terrier in the exact same way it happened at Sexton's clinic. Her life might have been just as nice as Tech XX's. At least there is some form of closure. Our dog was never found, so we were basically left to wonder. From personal experience, I know that Sexton's clinic will have an insurance policy to cover this, but insurance companies are never in a hurry. It would probably be next year until Tech is reimbursed. I don't think finding enough donations to replace him will be a problem, but we should act fast to find a replacement before the A&M game. Despite the amount of care he provided for XX, Dr. Sexton is automatically ruled out of contention for the next one. Also, I know his clinic will be hurt from the negative press that is bound to continue from this, so we should just let it play out instead of demanding for his head on a pike when he was on vacation at the time. The employee, on the other hand, should be prosecuted or at least be held libel to a civil suit. Tech XXI and after should be taken care of by a student organization. At TAMU, Reveille is taken care of by the Cadets. Maybe SGA could have a mascot committee or create a whole new organization. We also need some area similar to UGA's that would provide proper care for this high-risk breed.
my wife told me this afternoon that she has seen a Bulldog walking over by Terzia's alone before. My lab is real good about not leaving the yard and getting in the road, but, i'll be damned if i'm gonna leave her out there on faith. Same with LT, he may have never been an issue but unless he's watched all the time, its not "if" it will happen, its only "when?".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirtydawg
Poor XX - really sad news. I agree that we should find someone else to care for XXI.
Anger is a natural reaction to loss. Before your post, he was no more than a name to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soonerdawg
Thanks for the perspective.
Champ--I'm glad to see you come around. However, for future reference, there are always people on the other sides of names--whether you know them personally or not. I just hope Dr. Sexton doesn't read BBB. Over the last couple of days, I've seriously considered walking away from this board for good. The behavior of many regular BBB posters to this tragic event has been eye-opening to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
I think Tech XX was owned by the SGA. But, your point is well taken...things have to improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by tech_dawg_fan
The University of Georgia has had a live bulldog mascot since 1956, and they are only on their 8th dog (UGA VIII). Since we are about to get our 21st iteration of "Tech", it's pretty obvious that we have to do some things much better going forward.
I'm sure this really upsets Dr. Sexton as well. He may have not been a Tech fan, but that dog was part of his family, AND he probably feels embarassed on top of his sadness. Here's a good pic of our ol' buddy Tech XX.
Attachment 9588
Guys, I don't post much here on the board, but I read it almost everyday and I have for years and yes, the last couple of days postings have been eye opening to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikedog
Champ, I believe you are right that anger is a natural reaction to loss and hopefully time will make some of our posters rethink their remarks. There is more than enough anger and sadness to go around and i am sure Dr. Sexton is overwhelmed by both right now. I don't know the Doc, but if he is like most vets, he is a caring soul who cares as much for animals as anyone and would give almost anything to turn back time if he could prevent this tradgedy.
I think a lot of peoples anger let them put their mouths or fingers rather, in gear before theyre brains and common sense could be engaged. There were a lot people who were quick to judge and comment, some of it justified though, before they new all the facts.
This. We have to do it all different from here out. This does not happen at other universities.Quote:
Originally Posted by StrayDawg
I think this puts the spotlight on us now and the administration needs to realize that our mascot is not a burden for the university nor his handlers, it is a privilidge and should be treated as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgmatic
DR needs to be asked what will the university be doing in the future to prevent this kind of tradgedy, TECH should not be searching for it's 21st mascot. This has made national news and I think the we need to definitely have some established guidelines and rules for handlers and Vets. There should be housing and travel regs for the Bulldog along with a long line of alternatives for housing and caring for TECH.
I am still of the opinion our next Bulldog should be a rescue....just as our very first one was.
Let's not let this distract us from the hard course ahead. Yes a dog died. Our dog died.
The bulldog is our symbol , our mascot. I am a dog guy, I hate that this all happened.
We have to leave this behind and go forward. We are 29 days to Texas A & M . We have to
look at the big picture. We want this to be our year !
Sad to hear about the passing of Tech XX. Am I the only one that finds it incredibly eerie that this season's football poster has an empty doghouse with "Tech XX" above the entrance?
Let's not let this distract us from the hard course ahead. Yes a dog died. Our dog died.
The bulldog is our symbol , our mascot. I am a dog guy, I hate that this all happened.
We have to leave this behind and go forward. We are 29 days to Texas A & M . We have to
look at the big picture. We want this to be our year !
I get it people are upset and looking answers but what makes some of you think our live mascot would be better off with a group of college 20 somethings? I can't see people being comfortable with that.
You are correct. Our mascot should not live with the students. You'd find out that was how many of our early bulldogs died (negligence by students) if you read about them. We went through 10 bulldogs in our first 21 years, and all that was five years before Georgia introduced their first live mascot. If you compare Tech to Uga from 1956 on, our bulldogs were retired at a similar rate. And to my knowledge, Tech XIX is still alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by kdk008
I think we are doing it the right way now. Tech should live with a local Tech family (faculty or alumni) and have student handlers. There is no need to change that.
To those who say this doesn't happen at other schools - I don't think you will find this kind of negligence at other schools, but three Ugas died in the past few years due to heart failure. They are actually at Uga IX now. UGA has had 4 different Ugas in the past 5 years. As a result, PETA came in a couple years ago and advocated outlawing all live mascots. We better get ready for PETA because I'm sure they will make their voices heard soon enough.
To those suggesting that we rush to get something done before the A&M game - I don't think that's a good idea. We should take our time to ensure that we do it the right way. There is no need to rush. I'm sure there are many bulldog owners willing to volunteer an interim mascot until we find a permanent replacement.
English bulldogs are too fragile. What kind of mascot has to be so coddled! An athletic team's nickname/mascot should be tough, mean...a killer!
Introducing the new:
The Louisiana Tech Rottwielers!
http://ilovedogbreeds.com/wp-content...ictures/16.jpg
Go Rotties!!!
The opinion poll on WWL Radio this morning in SELA. http://www.wwl.com/pages/9774399.php...4ViewResults=1
"Scoot", the on-air personality this morning, is pretty outraged by the incident. He is pretty vocal about charges being filed for neglegence against this 'employee' and Sexton's practice. He has some pretty good points. It is a professional institution- one that's by it's nature should have kept this from happening. I feel bad for this ex-employee (who's probably a Tech or RHS student) and for Sexton, but this all looks pretty bad for them.
Do we know if Tech was paying the clinic for boarding? That could make it worse for Sexton.
And, Scoot does call him Tech XX, not LT.
I do feel bad, to a degree, for the poor young person that created this fiasco. As someone said, imagine if it were your young adult or high schooler working at the vet, and he's following the standard operating procedure that he's seen everyone else at the vet follow in letting Tech out unsupervised, and it's his dumb luck to be the one that's watching him when this common negligent practice causes Tech's death. I don't excuse the cover-up, but I can imagine the panic and torment this person is experiencing as well especially since he's being acribed all the blame for doing what he's witnessed as common practice.
I believe that the person(s) responsible for this tragedy should be held accountable for their actions. I also believe that Dr. Sexton, as the vet charged with the care of LT, should be held accountable as well!
This does not need to be swept away and ignored! A great wrong has been done and steps need to be taken to ensure that it never happens again!
We could pick up the "TECH BATTLE CRY" from the Sun Belters... "LET US ROTT(weiler)!!" :DQuote:
Originally Posted by hookdown
In my opinion, I think all involved are holding themselves very much accountable, and I don't know that any punishment meted out would cause them any more humiliation and pain than they are already putting themselves through. I can't harbor resentment toward the person who let Tech out unattended any more than I can to Dr. Sexton who created the environment for it to happen. I guarantee you they are both putting themselves through the ringer. I bet every time Dr. Sexton looks at his son, he gets heartbroken all over again knowing the pain he's feeling, and when he think of the Tech family, he hurts just as much. I know there are laws that might call for some type of prosecution, but in my opinion, intent has to be considered. This was a tragic event caused by careless mistakes. No one set out with the purpose of harming Tech.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirtydawg
After a sleepless night and thinking about this for a long time, I agree with Dirty. I'm praying for this person whoever they are. While I will never condone the actions and the lies and the coverup, I'm trying to imagine how I would feel in their place. And the pain and shame and guilt would be punishment enough. I'm going to continue to pray for understanding and for compassion for all involved. All this negativity and anger and ugly harsh words are not going to bring Tech XX back and but it sure could compound a young person's anguish. I don't want to participate in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirtydawg
Great post, Dirtydawg. I also believe everybody "grieves" in their own way...and I think alot of the comments people have posted or read have reflected that this incident is VERY VERY personal to anyone who walked the halls of the Blue and Red. TECH XX was not just the Sexton's dog and responsibility, he represented ALL of us. I'm not going to lie, I welled-up here at work when the news broke. My heart hurt...and I think what a lot of folks have posted were just their own way of letting it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirtydawg
We'll get past the anger and the hurt, and we'll be back...that's the way BULLDAWGS roll.
Not holding people accountable is one of the problems in American society. Dumbassery should have consequences. And when the results are this tragic, losing a part time job is not severe enough.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirtydawg
Wow. Scoot is outraged?? Who is the heck is "Scoot" and is he even a Tech supporter?? Does he donate to LTAC or to the University Foundation? Does he even have season tickets and attend the games?? If not, I don't give a rat's a__ about his outrage. As far as criminal charges being filed, I bet if the employee were Scoot's own son or daughter, he would change his tune.Quote:
Originally Posted by SixWings
If it is deemed that a criminal act has occurred, then absolutely charges should be filed. People's actions have to be accounted for.
He's a NOLA radio personality. I'd say he been on the air in some form another for 30+ years. Not just sports or politics. By no means a "shock jock". Scoot has been an integral part of the region's public dialogue for as long as I can remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg85
On the one hand, I can see your point that he isnt qualified to discuss this situation. On the other hand, it's only his job to talk about stuff that will attract and hold listeners' attention.
Exactly. The coverup tips the scale in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde
Even made the news in jolly old England. Is the Daily Mail a Gannett newspaper? They got it right in the headline but the article says Louisiana State University. jeez.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...peratures.html
And this business about changing the name and breed is just foolishness.
Of coarse, they use Louisiana State.....:oQuote:
Originally Posted by Bill Brasky
Damn the British, Go AMERICAN!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Brasky
That "Louisiana State" thing certainly helps your case. :D The disgust I feel for being referred-to as THOSE people is almost enough to sway me. BUT NOT QUITE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
I'll be in Canton this weekend... I'll call you and tell you what I find. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgmatic
Well stated!! (although the practice of allowing him to go out unsupervised and unrestricted seems reckless.)Quote:
Originally Posted by qng001
Story is on Yahoo front page.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/rip-louisiana-tech-mascot-tech-xx-212501212--ncaaf.html
I agree. Reneau needs to issue a bull setting up an inquisition. He should appoint you alguacil so you can detain each and every person who knew, should have known or could have or even might possibly have prevented this heretical killing of this sacred being. He can use Penn State as his precedent. As alguacil, you will be able to hold them with little or no food for at least a year before the trial, which will give you plenty of time to inflict whatever torture or pain you deem necessary to get the proper confessions from them. Of course, we need to give you complete secrecy in the detention and we need a secret trial, but once you have what you need, we need a public execution. I favor putting the "guilty" into a bovine carcass and slow rosting them until death. Now, that would be accountability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde
They say any PR is good PR. Not the way I want to get Tech's name in the news, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SIC_EM_DAWGS!
Nor I, but this does give media for both Tech alumni and dog lovers that could be leveraged in acquiring the needed funds for securing our next mascot, securing donations for a climate controlled game day environment, and setting up a scholarship for a group of students to be the caretakers of Tech XXI.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Wow. Calm down, dude. Why are you wound so tight? Regardless of how you feel about anyone involved in this tragedy, it should be noted that our mascot should be treated as "royalty" (in pet terms), and should not be boarded in a vet clinic. If Doc goes out of town, definitely don't leave our mascot up there with his part time employees. There is a good Tech family out there that could give our dog full time attention/care and take him to the vet when that is necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soonerdawg
This is one of the comments on that Yahoo story...
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Eric • Pineville, Louisiana • 7 minutes ago RemoveOh really? Why are we one of two Tier One schools in the state of Louisiana? Why do we have the only Doctorate program in the world for Nano-systems Engineering Technologies? Why is Tech ranked #2 in the nation amongst academic institutions in terms of innovation productivity as measured by number of new inventions generated per research dollar expended, according to a 2008 report released by the Association of University Technology Managers? Louisiana Tech also ranked second nationally amongst academic institutions in terms of the rate of new spin-out or start-up companies. Just saying, do your research before you bash my school, which I happen to be an Honors student at.
It really pisses me off how much people don't respect Tech. I had to set this idiot straight!
I guess you didn't pick up on the sarcasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by topdawg
It is actually quite funny that you are telling me to calm down when that is exactly what I'm suggestion everyone else to do. This post was intended to show how utterly ridiculous the mob is acting. To suggest criminal prosecution is utterly stupid.
Rational thought: a mistake was made; those who made the mistake are sick about it; all involved need to "calm down, dude"; we need time to heal; make sure better precautions are taken in the future.
My blood pressure only goes up when there are suggestions of trying to hurt Patrick and his family. When that happens, I will turn over the money tables. That is a promise.
The Daily Mail is known for making stupid mistakes like this. It's nothing intentional, just crappy journalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Brasky
+1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soonerdawg
We made it on CNN on their front page under featured
http://www.cnn.com/
Not Reneau but law enforcement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soonerdawg
If the dumbass teenager (which everyone assumes is the case) did nothing to injure the dog, so be it. If lieing about what happened does not warrant charge, then so be it. If a police report was filed (which it should have been), then this is criminial action.
Unfortunately, grounding and taking away an iPhone is not acceptable punishment and it's not up to the parent's or the vet to decide what is until those above statements are validated.
Since you live in Ruston and have a personal relationship with the vet, I can understand you wanting this to go away. But that should not happen when neglect kills a dog, especially TECH XX.
Wanting this to go away has nothing to do with it. In fact, Patrick being my friend has nothing to do with it. Patrick made a huge mistake. I'm certainly not defending that. His worker made a huge mistake. I'm not defending him either. There will be natural consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde
However, there is no way that law enforcement should get involved in this. The event itself is a huge punishment. I would have hope that we would treat Patrick and his family with sympathy instead of condemnation. They are suffering emotionally more than anybody about this. People make mistakes. God knows I do.
People that lock babies in hot cars are probably sick about that mistake too. Teenage drunk drivers who injure or kill people are probably sick about their mistake. Does that make what they did ok? We should just let it go and take better precautions in the future?Quote:
Originally Posted by Soonerdawg
Is this a serious response. I don't want to waste my time responding if you were just being silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by NathanDarby
I think you missed Soonerdawg's point in his post - As Sheldon in The Big Bang theory asks - "sarcasm?"Quote:
Originally Posted by topdawg
STF
"Everybody feels bad, so let's move on" is an assinine stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soonerdawg
Sure it was sarcasm, but it's pretty easy to tell from the context of your posts that you are wound up pretty tight. You are correct, better precautions should be taken in the future, such as not boarding our mascot at ANY vet clinic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soonerdawg
Your last statement is a bit outlandish and further exemplifies the fact that you need to chill out. I haven't seen any reference to anyone on here suggesting harm to Patrick. You say, "When that happens", like you want or expect it to. That is ridiculous and you shouldn't have even mentioned that. This is not a time to play Mr. tough guy. If you need to flex your e-muscles, I suggest you do that elsewhere.
It is wonderful how you can pyschoanalyze over a computer. Problem is, you are missing the mark by a wide margin.Quote:
Originally Posted by topdawg
I have been posting here a long time. Everyone knows I am a sarcastic bastard, but a cuddly fuzz ball.
I will defend Patrick, though. E-muscles aren't necessary.
Finally, Clyde and Nathan know me. All of us can dish it out and take it too. We line up on more than we disagree.
Okay, we agree. However, cool reflection is the perfect stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde
These people left dogs outside in the heat (not in cars) and the dogs died, so they were arrested:Quote:
Originally Posted by Soonerdawg
http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/16429/NY/US/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-heat-car.html
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/loca...als-say/nPmg6/
http://www2.tricities.com/news/2012/...tr-ar-1968085/
There is no way this should go without a criminal investigation.
Epic post by Paul Myerberg on Twitter about Tech XX's passing.
Paul Myerberg @PreSnapRead
To those responsible for Tech XX's passing: I have a certain set of skills. When I find you, I will read aloud 4,000 words about New Mexico.
On what basis do you assert that a police report should have been filed? Some of you guys seem to be completely ignorant of how the criminal justice system works in this country. Here's a simplistic breakdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde
Step 1: a law is passed
Step 2: the law is violated
Step 3: police obtain evidence establishing probable cause of the violation
Step 4: an arrest occurs or a ticket is issued
Step 5: a trial takes place
At this point, I haven't seen any evidence that any law was broken. All signs point to this being an unfortunate accident. Accidents--even those involving simple negligence-do not rise to the level of criminal activity.
He means when Tech XX went "missing" the police would have had a report filed of possible theft. That is a crime when false.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikedog
All horrible examples--each involved the dogs being left in a car or tied to a pole all day. Based upon what I know about the situation, and based upon what I know about bulldogs, there is no possible way this kid's actions rise to the level of criminal negligence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde
The only thing I know that could be an issue is if there was a falsified police report. There could easily be trouble for the employee if resources were used to be out looking for him under a false report.
Unless the kid filed the report or gave an official statement in the report, then I don't see how this could come back on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoutThemDawgs
The first one, was five hours: "At approximately 12:40 the SPCA received an anonymous call from someone who witnessed the dogs outside for most of the morning and it didn't look like the dogs weren't doing well," said Gina Browning, a spokesperson for the SPCA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde
The dogs' owner, 27-year old Aisha Luper is being charged with two-counts of animal cruelty in court today. She says she put the dogs outside at 7:30 this morning and fell asleep."
The second was in a car.
The third and fourth: "When we got to the house, we found a pit bull with mange. The dog was tied to a pole without access to food or water. Treatz knocked on the door but no one answered, despite that, she decided to take the dog anyway for its safety."
The fifth: "The animal was tied to a post with no shade and no water," Adkins said. "The thing that went wrong in this case is that the witnesses watched this dog in distress for over an hour and were attempting to make contact with someone. They tried to call the animal shelter. They tried to call the humane society. The animal shelter (wasn't open at the time)."
We don't know the outcome of any of those prosecutions.
Obvously, you would like to live in a police state.
You are correct. If the kid lied to the police and caused the police to tie up police time, he may be culpable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cal&Ken
From what I understand the kid claimed it was stolen while trying to hide the body. In any case the criminal part of it comes from the cover up not the actual death itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikedog
It's only a crime if a falsified police report was filed by the employee, or if the employee gave a false statement to the police in the course of the investigation.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoutThemDawgs
If the employee lied to Dr. Sexton, and then Dr. Sexton turned around and filed a police report based upon this false information, neither would be criminally liable since: a) the employee did not file the false police report; and b) Dr. Sexton did not know, at the time of filing the report, that the provided information was false.
It needs to investigated either way to determine IF there is some culpability there.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikedog
Yes, I am serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soonerdawg
Obviously, any incident injuring a human is worse than an incident injuring a dog. But that's not my point. The point is, people are prosecuted all the time for negligent actions. Being really super sorry for your negligent actions does not automatically make things ok. There are laws against animal cruelty for a reason. Are you saying these laws should not be enforced if the violators of the laws are really sorry about what they did?
Maybe there were laws broken in this instance (either in the negligent killing of Tech XX or in the cover up), and maybe there were not. But that is not for me or you to decide. All I am saying is that it should be looked into by the relevant authorities and any applicable laws applied without prejudice or favor.
That's not an entirely accurate statement. The Constitution of the United States requires the government to follow the due process of law before depriving a person of their life, liberty, or property. Criminal statutes must therefore clearly define all crimes and criminal conduct, and cannot be vague or prevent understanding of conduct prohibited by law. If we, as citizens, cannot determine if certain activity constitutes a criminal violation, then the statute is impermissibly vague and unconstitutional. In other words, whether a criminal violation has occurred in this instance is something that you and I should be able to decide (although not formally--obviously the DA has the power to decide to bring charges and the court system adjudicates guilt and innocence).Quote:
Originally Posted by NathanDarby
Anybody heard how long Tech XX was left in the heat and if he had access to water during this time?
Ask Mikedog and Sooner.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
Oh please. Not since you went all anorexic on us. Just nothing to grab onto anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soonerdawg
Okay. Fuzzy stick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirtydawg
That was meant to be a softball.
I understand it has been for several years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soonerdawg