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I live in Canada, no PBS. (more of a combination of Ralph Waldo Emerson and Johnny Cashs opinion)
Indian Removal Act caused a lot of deaths.
I don't hate any of the founding fathers. The only people I really hate are Marlyn Mansion, Chris Jerrico, and a little bit of rancor for Joe Morgan because he always drove me crazy the way he praised Barry Bonds during any game. EVEN if it wasn't a Giants game.
I would actually like to see Ronald Reagan put on the $20 bill (since Jackson hated paper money).
And this all ties back into the Big XII discussion since it's right in the middle of Indian Territory.
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Wade_Antley
Look, we get it, you hate mormons. They didn't get into the PAC12 because the California schools said no, so they took Utah which is the same thing only not owned by a church.
I don't hate mormons. 90% of todays' mormons are mormons because they were raised mormons. I would like to see all mormons leave the church because they would be better off without it. Here's a study that shows there are 36% of those that are raised mormon that are now leaving the church. http://religionnews.com/2015/09/16/m...ially-in-utah/. Do you know anything about the Mountain Meadows Massacre. These were settlers that were on their way from north Arkansas to California and they were ambushed by a group of mormons led by Brigham Young's son-in-law. The mormons pinned them down and killed several of them and then the mormons told them they would let them go through if they would surrender and hand in their guns. Then when they surrendered the mormons shot everyone of them even including the kids that were over 7 years old. 120 people were killed. The only reason they did this was to take their cows and their wagons. Brigham Young was even seen riding in one of the wagons after the massacre. If Brigham Young raped 55 women today, he would be sentenced to life in prison without parole and if Utah had been a state then he would have been hanged for the mountain meadows massacre..
Joseph Smith told the women that he married that if they didn't marry him they would go to hell along with the other members of their family. Of course, if they married him they would all go to heaven. Thank God somebody shot that bastard when he was trying to escape from jail. Too bad Brigham Young wasn't with him.
Mormonism is not a religion and is certainly not christianity, it is a cult. It was not started by good people. It's really sad that people join an organization like this. It was started by 2 thugs that wanted to mistreat women and be famous for having their own religion. Sidney Rigdon, a relative of Joseph Smith's, stole Solomon Spalding's manuscript of a fictional novel, from a print shop in Pittsburg and this is where the Book of Mormon came from. There are lots of sources for this information and since mormonism is only 180 years old, it's very reliable. And just about all of it was told by mormons or ex-mormons.
Are you one of those good mormons that wears his mormon underwear every day so the booger bears don't get you? Folks, this is not a joke they really have special underwear they wear.
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Wade_Antley
It's funny who we honor from our past. I mean how many thousands of native Americans did Andrew Jackson have killed? Not enough to keep him off the $20 bill...
Are you saying it was okay for Brigham Young to kill those settlers because Andrew Jackson killed some indians? We killed a lot of Japanese and Nazis in WWII also.
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parialex
I get that you have a chip on your shoulder about Mormons. Guess what? So do I. That's because I lived in and around Mormonland for a significant chunk of my adult life. I even recognize Mormon surnames. I didn't like. I rooted for the Utes all the way. But that's neither here nor there. BYU was never considered a candidate for the Pac-12 for the aforementioned reasons. It was never about performance or fan interest. In their final years together in the MWC, UU and BYU pulled similar TV numbers despite Utah being much better for much longer.
BYU has all of the makings of a successful program and Utah's success doesn't change that. Despite their crappy conference situation - which cost them that coach - they still pulled nearly 60k fans a game for football and 16k a game for basketball. When they came to Houston, 15k of their fans showed up. They've got money. There is a reason they keep coming up despite making no geographic sense whatsoever and coming with a lot of baggage.
I don't know if they get into the Big 12 or not. I would bet not, actually, on account of geography and especially the Honor Code problem. I'm rather hoping that they don't for multiple reasons. But if they don't, it won't be because the Utes own Utah. The
state's own legislature prefers BYU.
I don't really have a problem with mormons. I actually do have a friend that is a mormon. I have a problem with things that are misrepesented by some people to other people to get them to join an organization that is founded on lies and corruption. You know, like today's democrat party. I just remembered I had a mormon that lived on the other side of a 100 ft pipeline easement that was on my property in Pineville and I had about 20 ft next to him. He was a big LSU fan and was always badmouthing Tech and praising LSU so that tells you how I felt about him. He had 10 kids and the oldest was 14. He asked me about selling him the 20 ft that I had next to him one day. I told him that I would sell it to him for whatever it came out to as a fraction of a lot. When I gave him the price he said it was too high. He came back a couple of months later and told me he wanted to buy it and I told him it wasn't for sale.
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Don, we should meet up the next time I'm home for a game. You sound like my kinda people.
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brtransplant
The Mormon church gave up polygamy when that practice became a political hot potato, so to say that Mormons don't waiver in their tenets is total BS. They'll also find a way to justify playing ball on Sunday's if that's what it takes to get their program into a P5 conference. Don't kid yourself, the Mormons are just as greedy as every other religion, and none of them let anything come between themselves and money.
Saw a big UT grad and long time friend of mine last week. He says Houston and BYU are the unquestioned leaders to be added to the Big XII. He says Texas will vote for BYU, and if BYU doesn't get in, he believes it will be a terrible miss for the Big XII.
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DONW
Why did the PAC 12 take Utah over BYU.
Most of the PAC 12 schools hate any form of Christianity or religion, including Mormonism. The PAC 12 consists of mostly atheist schools from Berkeley, Los Angeles, the Silicon Valley, and the ultra liberal states of Washington, Oregon and Colorado. That's a tough crowd for any religious based school to win over.
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HogDawg
The PAC 12 consists of mostly atheist schools from Berkeley, Los Angeles, the Silicon Valley, and the ultra liberal states of Washington, Oregon and Colorado.
I wouldn't categorize Colorado as being an ultra liberal state. Colorado voted Republican in 7 of the last 10 presidential elections. Most of Colorado's U.S. Representatives are Republican. Colorado has one Republican U.S. Senator and one Democrat U.S. senator. The second largest city in Colorado, Colorado Springs, is on almost everyone's list as being one of most conservative cities in America.
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HogDawg
Most of the PAC 12 schools hate any form of Christianity or religion, including Mormonism. The PAC 12 consists of mostly atheist schools from Berkeley, Los Angeles, the Silicon Valley, and the ultra liberal states of Washington, Oregon and Colorado. That's a tough crowd for any religious based school to win over.
I didn't realize that Utah had dominated BYU so much until I looked up the records. Utah leads 55-31. The BYU-Utah State series has been much closer than I thought it was. BYu leads 47-35. BYU's national championship in 1984 was probably the easiest road any team has ever had to a national championship. The WAC was really weak after Arizona and Arizona State left. Byu had to beat a 6-5 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl to be declared national champions. That was a really average Michigan team and BYU barely beat them. Sometimes perception does not match up to reality.
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Woof!
The second largest city in Colorado, Colorado Springs, is on almost everyone's list as being one of most conservative cities in America.
That's because so many families from our great military retire in C.Springs, the USAFA is located there and so many Christian organizations and authors are there as well. Awesome area!
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Woof!
I wouldn't categorize Colorado as being an ultra liberal state. Colorado voted Republican in 7 of the last 10 presidential elections. Most of Colorado's U.S. Representatives are Republican. Colorado has one Republican U.S. Senator and one Democrat U.S. senator. The second largest city in Colorado, Colorado Springs, is on almost everyone's list as being one of most conservative cities in America.
You gotta be kidding? Are you living in a cocoon? Colorado is a very liberal state. Drugs are everywhere. Colorado is the first state in the union to legalize recreational marijuana. I've owned property there for almost 10 years, and it's only gotten worse.
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Part of Colorado’s story of change comes from the statehouse where Democrats control both the governor’s office and both chambers of the Legislature.
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/20/how_...state_liberal/
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DONW
I didn't realize that Utah had dominated BYU so much until I looked up the records. Utah leads 55-31. The BYU-Utah State series has been much closer than I thought it was. BYu leads 47-35. BYU's national championship in 1984 was probably the easiest road any team has ever had to a national championship. The WAC was really weak after Arizona and Arizona State left. Byu had to beat a 6-5 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl to be declared national champions. That was a really average Michigan team and BYU barely beat them. Sometimes perception does not match up to reality.
Utah racked up a 39-12 record against BYU from 1922 to 1980. BYU has a winning record since then, though Utah has the winning record if you skip the 80's.
Since 1980, BYU's record against Utah State is 26-4.
None of this is especially matters, though. The Pac-12 was never going to take BYU, and the Big 12 has always been more interested in BYU (going back to the 90's).
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HogDawg
Colorado is a very liberal state.
No, it is not a very liberal state. In terms of politics, Colorado is most often described as a "purple" state, "toss up" state, or "leaning Democrat" at best and not a ultra liberal state as you suggest. Colorado voted Republican in 7 out 10 of the last presidential elections - same as Louisiana. Also, there are more voters in the state of Colorado registered as Republican than Democrat.
The article below shows that Colorado is not even in the top 10 of states identifying as liberal - a far cry from your definition as Colorado being "ultra liberal" state.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/181505/mi...ve-states.aspx
Now, the GOP's policies and attitudes are starting to change Colorado, but that's a whole different story.
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parialex
Utah racked up a 39-12 record against BYU from 1922 to 1980. BYU has a winning record since then, though Utah has the winning record if you skip the 80's.
Since 1980, BYU's record against Utah State is 26-4.
None of this is especially matters, though. The Pac-12 was never going to take BYU, and the Big 12 has always been more interested in BYU (going back to the 90's).
I think you just gave up your identity, only a huge BYU fan would know those kind of stats. Are you on this board because you think Tech is their competition?
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DONW
I don't hate mormons. 90% of todays' mormons are mormons because they were raised mormons. I would like to see all mormons leave the church because they would be better off without it. Here's a study that shows there are 36% of those that are raised mormon that are now leaving the church.
http://religionnews.com/2015/09/16/m...ially-in-utah/. Do you know anything about the Mountain Meadows Massacre. These were settlers that were on their way from north Arkansas to California and they were ambushed by a group of mormons
led by Brigham Young's son-in-law. The mormons pinned them down and killed several of them and then the mormons told them they would let them go through if they would surrender and hand in their guns. Then when they surrendered the mormons shot everyone of them even including the kids that were over 7 years old. 120 people were killed. The only reason they did this was to take their cows and their wagons.
Brigham Young was even seen riding in one of the wagons after the massacre. If Brigham Young raped 55 women today, he would be sentenced to life in prison without parole and if Utah had been a state then he would have been hanged for the mountain meadows massacre..
Joseph Smith told the women that he married that if they didn't marry him they would go to hell along with the other members of their family. Of course, if they married him they would all go to heaven. Thank God somebody shot that bastard when he was trying to escape from jail. Too bad Brigham Young wasn't with him.
Mormonism is not a religion and is certainly not christianity, it is a cult. It was not started by good people. It's really sad that people join an organization like this. It was started by 2 thugs that wanted to mistreat women and be famous for having their own religion. Sidney Rigdon, a relative of Joseph Smith's, stole Solomon Spalding's manuscript of a fictional novel, from a print shop in Pittsburg and this is where the Book of Mormon came from. There are lots of sources for this information and since mormonism is only 180 years old, it's very reliable. And just about all of it was told by mormons or ex-mormons.
Are you one of those good mormons that wears his mormon underwear every day so the booger bears don't get you? Folks, this is not a joke they really have special underwear they wear.
Well there you have it. Brigham Young was like Hilary. There's no proof he had anything to do with the massacre. The son-in-law led the massacre. Brigham Young's riding in the wagon had to be because he just happened to be in the area and was offered a ride. ;);)
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"If Brigham Young raped 55 women today, he would be sentenced to life in prison without parole and if Utah had been a state then he would have been hanged for the mountain meadows massacre.."
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Unless he was a registered Dem running for President????? (political TWSS)
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dawg1984
Well there you have it. Brigham Young was like Hilary. There's no proof he had anything to do with the massacre. The son-in-law led the massacre. Brigham Young's riding in the wagon had to be because he just happened to be in the area and was offered a ride. ;);)
And, There was nothing about the massacre in their emails. Bill is the reincarnation of Young.
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DONW
I think you just gave up your identity, only a huge BYU fan would know those kind of stats. Are you on this board because you think Tech is their competition?
Alternately, I was curious and looked it up.
I am a non-Bulldog guest here, and I'm a Cougar, but not a BYU Cougar.
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parialex
Alternately, I was curious and looked it up.
I am a non-Bulldog guest here, and I'm a Cougar, but not a BYU Cougar.
Anyone who has been on this board for a while and paid attention would know that parialax is a Houston Cougar.
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parialex
Alternately, I was curious and looked it up.
I am a non-Bulldog guest here, and I'm a Cougar, but not a BYU Cougar.
Soooooo, ya like em' young huh?:D:D (TWSS mode)
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WWDog
Anyone who has been on this board for a while and paid attention would know that parialax is a Houston Cougar.
Do you believe everything you read on a message board? You can be anybody you want to be on a message board. Why would a UH grad be on this board promoting BYU?
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DONW
Do you believe everything you read on a message board? You can be anybody you want to be on a message board. Why would a UH grad be on this board promoting BYU?
He is a Houston Cougar...
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parialex
Alternately, I was curious and looked it up.
I am a non-Bulldog guest here, and I'm a Cougar, but not a BYU Cougar.
Why are you promoting BYU on this board? Are you a mormon?
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DONW
Why are you promoting BYU on this board? Are you a mormon?
:laugh: I'm sorry. I read this the first time as "Are you a moron"!
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LABulldog
:laugh: I'm sorry. I read this the first time as "Are you a moron"!
I'm going to be pc today and not reply to that.
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DONW
Why are you promoting BYU on this board? Are you a mormon?
Pari has contributed meaningfully to our discussions on conference realignment for some years now. I don't know that he was 'promoting' anything.
Are you certain you're not allowing your thoughts on Mormonism to affect your opinion of BYU as an athletic program?
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I can vouch for Parilax as well. He is one of those Red Cougars. Good poster.
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Champ967
Pari has contributed meaningfully to our discussions on conference realignment for some years now. I don't know that he was 'promoting' anything.
Are you certain you're not allowing your thoughts on Mormonism to affect your opinion of BYU as an athletic program?
Nothing should have ever been named for such an evil person unless they wanted to change the name of Mountain Meadows Massacre to Brigham Young Massacre. I don't believe the Big 12 will pick them. They're too far out of the conference and have too much bad baggage.
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DONW
Nothing should have ever been named for such an evil person unless they wanted to change the name of Mountain Meadows Massacre to Brigham Young Massacre. I don't believe the Big 12 will pick them. They're too far out of the conference and have too much bad baggage.
Paul Miller is a great man.
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Parialex is solid. He even knows all about Fishville!!!!
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OLDBLUE
Parialex is solid. He even knows all about Fishville!!!!
How about Porterville?
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DONW
How about Porterville?
Not familiar with Porterville, but I do have a Polygamy Porter t-shirt.
https://www.wasatchbeers.com/shop/de...spx?prodID=241
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PawDawg
Paul Miller is a great man.
twss
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I part of me feels like, taking BYU and Uconn would be our best option. I don't want to lose Rice or USM and think that maybe the AAC would replace them with an Eastern Division School from the CUSA that I don't give a crap about.
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I don't believe UConn is a real option. They offer market only.
The AAC has said they do not need to back fill.
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PawDawg
I don't believe UConn is a real option. They offer market only.
The AAC has said they do not need to back fill.
I am just thinking outside the box and I don't necessarily disagree with you, but if UConn gave them ESPN, it would bring UT, OU, TCU Baylor to the NorthEast. And we wouldn't lose anyone in CUSA for now.
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tenacious_dog
I assume we are one of the "unnamed schools"?.... (yes I know that we are not in the AAC)
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Huge list of interviewed schools has been "narrowed" to 12...
http://www.espn.com/college-football...ast-12-schools
Rice still there isn't all that surprising considering the size of their endowment ;) (twss)
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GermDawg
Rice still there isn't all that surprising considering the size of their endowment ;) (twss)
No, no, no.
You cant alley-oop to yourself.
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Champ967
No, no, no.
You cant alley-oop to yourself.
Thems the rules.
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Champ967
No, no, no.
You cant alley-oop to yourself.
You can when you're as good as me...
https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/...mar.gif?w=1000
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GermDawg
Travel. No basket.
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DONW
Do you believe everything you read on a message board? You can be anybody you want to be on a message board. Why would a UH grad be on this board promoting BYU?
I think you just shot your own Mormon arguments to pieces with that statement.
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96bulldog
I think you just shot your own Mormon arguments to pieces with that statement.
How?
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Looks like Houston just played their way into the BigXII.
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Wade_Antley
Looks like Houston just played their way into the BigXII.
...and how many times was that mentioned during the game? There was even a graphic put on TV to support their cause.
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Wade_Antley
Looks like Houston just played their way into the BigXII.
OR ... just played their way out.
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We would be a perfect fit with Houston for that league.........
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If Houston can play their way in, what does that say for a very very woe-full Colorado State. Every team in the Big12 could beat them by 40.
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Word is Big 12 expansion is dead.
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The Big 12 might be dead too.
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Well they must be waiting for ULL to get respectable. Long wait.
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Wade_Antley
The Big 12 might be dead too.
Is Elohim going to punish them for not taking BYU? :laugh:
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DONW
Is Elohim going to punish them for not taking BYU? :laugh:
Ha ha, no. But he is going to punish you by making Hillary president. :D
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Wade_Antley
Ha ha, no. But he is going to punish you by making Hillary president. :D
That just might punish all of humanity.
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TYLERTECHSAS
That just might punish all of humanit.
Amen, brother!!!
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Back on meaningless topic - $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ say no
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Back to meaningless (wiggle room for U of Louseville Louisiana) topic - $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ say no.
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I heard that the Big 12 is reconsidering not expanding, and that ULM is being considered. Someone brought up the championship water skiing team that the Warhocks have, and that turned lots of heads! The Tabasco Leopards in Lafayette were shocked, and decided to petition for membership due to the fact that they have a good girls softball team. The Leopards also mentioned their recruiting trailer.
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It may all come down to this weekend, huh?:laugh:
