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The number to remember is $550,000 -
The Board countered with $800,000 it appears and he said no -
He really blasted the game day experience and presentation and basically said there was no change evident from what he experienced despite the influx of cash dollars. I think he has an issue with the Board rather than Missy based on comments made in the article.
I just don't see anyone being willing to pay $600k in actual cash $$$ let alone $800k for what is being presented right now
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Dwayne From Minden
The number to remember is $550,000 -
The Board countered with $800,000 it appears and he said no -
He really blasted the game day experience and presentation and basically said there was no change evident from what he experienced despite the influx of cash dollars. I think he has an issue with the Board rather than Missy based on comments made in the article.
I just don't see anyone being willing to pay $600k in actual cash $$$ let alone $800k for what is being presented right now
I'm surprised at this. From a business perspective, Marcus Lemonis needs to shut his mouth and just move on. It's okay to take your toys (or sponsorship) and leave the building.....but he doesn't need to be mouthing off (about game day experience, etc...) and as he leaves. Just leave.
I'm no fan of the I-Bowl. But Lemonis should know better than to criticize the bowl --any bowl-- publicly. By doing so, he risks pissing off local people who could have been Camping World customers, which is exactly opposite of what he was attempting to achieve as a corporate sponsor in the first place.
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HogDawg
I'm surprised at this. From a business perspective, Marcus Lemonis needs to shut his mouth and just move on. It's okay to take your toys (or sponsorship) and leave the building.....but he doesn't need to be mouthing off (about game day experience, etc...) and as he leaves. Just leave.
I'm no fan of the I-Bowl. But Lemonis should know better than to criticize the bowl --any bowl-- publicly. By doing so, he risks pissing off local people who could have been Camping World customers, which is exactly opposite of what he was attempting to achieve as a corporate sponsor in the first place.
I think it has gotten personal between him and one or two of the board members, who basically told him they are fine and don't NEED him or his money -
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Dwayne From Minden
I think it has gotten personal between him and one or two of the board members, who basically told him they are fine and don't NEED him or his money -
Agreed. Which was a very foolish thing for the Board members to say. But in this case Lemonis needs to just shut up and move on. Quietly.
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"The hotel tax passed; the committee got a big check from that. I didn’t see that money show up anywhere. The experience didn’t change year over year. In Year 1, they only got $700,000 from us. In Year 2, they got $900,000 from us and $500,000 from the city. I didn’t see the experience change at all – nothing."
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I disagree HD, re Lemonis shutting up. Imo, Lemonis appears (in this article) to be the reasonable party willing to work out a deal. The board appears to be the hardball player.
Camping World will just advertise via a different means in Shreveport and move on.
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All I took from the article was the guy explaining why he was moving on. He'd put a lot of time, money & effort into the community and he felt compelled to explain his side of why things hadn't worked out. Makes sense since they're putting a store in Shreveport and needs the community's support for it to succeed. From the article, he just stated the facts as he saw them and wanted to make it clear he tried to make a deal. He even said he'd have been willing to pay more in future years if the numbers improved.
With luck this will put some pressure on the committee to make some changes & get their act together. Lemonis may have done the I-bowl a favor. If they don't change things up soon you have to wonder if we're looking at its last days.
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rabiddawg
I disagree HD, re Lemonis shutting up. Imo, Lemonis appears (in this article) to be the reasonable party willing to work out a deal. The board appears to be the hardball player.
Camping World will just advertise via a different means in Shreveport and move on.
You missed the point.
....So, if you owned a business, you wouldn't care if you pissed off a lot of local customers or potential customers by getting into an unnecessary squabble with a bowl game that you intended to withdraw your support from anyway? Okay. :laugh:
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Lots of free advertising here for Camping World/Lemonis. When he does the "big splash" promotion investment around his new store "creating new jobs in Shreveport, investing in Shreveport for the long-term,..." he will be a local hero at a fraction of the I-Bowl investment!
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HogDawg
You missed the point.
....So, if you owned a business, you wouldn't care if you pissed off a lot of local customers or potential customers by getting into an unnecessary squabble with a bowl game that you intended to withdraw your support from anyway? Okay. :laugh:
Kinda like what the I-bowl committee has done for years with Louisiana Tech? Ironic isn't it.
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HogDawg
You missed the point.
....So, if you owned a business, you wouldn't care if you pissed off a lot of local customers or potential customers by getting into an unnecessary squabble with a bowl game that you intended to withdraw your support from anyway? Okay. :laugh:
I see what you're saying, but I think it's really a no-win for him. If he stays silent, the inbred mouth-breathers running the bowl will lie about what happened and spin it as him hanging out Shreveport to dry, not acting in good faith, etc. (a la our own debacle). That might actually hurt him more. He needs to move on, but I think it was important for him to state for the record that there was a good faith attempt made on his part.
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HogDawg
You missed the point.
....So, if you owned a business, you wouldn't care if you pissed off a lot of local customers or potential customers by getting into an unnecessary squabble with a bowl game that you intended to withdraw your support from anyway? Okay. :laugh:
Marcus Lemonis has a pretty good track record. He made an offer to the I-Bowl and they refused. He made a good business decision. The I-Bowl had no leverage but negotiated like they did.
I love it, screw those bastards.
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HogDawg
You missed the point.
....So, if you owned a business, you wouldn't care if you pissed off a lot of local customers or potential customers by getting into an unnecessary squabble with a bowl game that you intended to withdraw your support from anyway? Okay. :laugh:
I sense the locals agree with him.
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DogsWin
Lots of free advertising here for Camping World/Lemonis. When he does the "big splash" promotion investment around his new store "creating new jobs in Shreveport, investing in Shreveport for the long-term,..." he will be a local hero at a fraction of the I-Bowl investment!
HD, Cliff and I are fishing in the same pond.
Lemonis' will spend and market his way into the hearts of his perspective customers in Shreveport.
Additionally, I don't think Shreveport is in love with the Indy bowl or ts committee
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Still, nothing will change with that I-Bowl committee. They are stuck in a feed-back bubble, satisfied with their superior views.
The only way to change them is to sit back and watch the bowl wither away and die. Then, there would be a good possibility to revive and rename it; with a better group running it.
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rabiddawg
HD, Cliff and I are fishing in the same pond.
Lemonis' will spend and market his way into the hearts of his perspective customers in Shreveport.
Additionally, I don't think Shreveport is in love with the Indy bowl or ts committee
Shreveport has no love for anything other than LSU, and LSU couldn't care less about anything in Shreveport. The closest thing the city of Shreveport will ever have to a "home" team is Tech, but most people in Shreveport simply don't care anything about Tech. In fact, most of them think Tech should be closed and that state money shifted to LSUS.
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brtransplant
Shreveport has no love for anything other than LSU, and LSU couldn't care less about anything in Shreveport. The closest thing the city of Shreveport will ever have to a "home" team is Tech, but most people in Shreveport simply don't care anything about Tech. In fact, most of them think Tech should be closed and that state money shifted to LSUS.
So, some scientific survey was conducted polling Shreveporters and the results were 50+% agreed Tech should be closed to support LSUS. Where can we find that survey with its results?
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dawg80
So, some scientific survey was conducted polling Shreveporters and the results were 50+% agreed Tech should be closed to support LSUS. Where can we find that survey with its results?
Agreed. That's a ridiculous claim.
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Dwayne From Minden
I think it has gotten personal between him and one or two of the board members, who basically told him they are fine and don't NEED him or his money -
Please...PLEASE...make this one of you Profit episodes, Marcus. If you don't have video of all of the conversations, hell, make it up. LOL!
$550k is not the entire revenue stream, but its way more than what the IBowl has collected to help pay bills.
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To move UP the selection order of the $EC and ACC the I-Bowl will have to pay MORE than the $2.4M ($1.2M/team) payout. Otherwise they will keep getting 6-6 or worse teams that their fans won't travel to watch. The bowl needs MORE sponsorship money, not less.
The $EC and ACC are just bleeding them dry until they can no longer pay, then they will "upgrade" to another bowl once the I-Bowl is dead. The committee members are not smart enough and have too much personal ego to see a better solution.
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What did they do with the money from the tax?
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JuBru
What did they do with the money from the tax?
"Security, please have the gentleman in the back (JuBru) escorted from the room immediately."
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Is $300k a significant amount of money for the Camping World dude?
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With a reported net worth of around $150 million and having watched his show I'd say he'd see $300k as significant.
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glm47
Marcus Lemonis has a pretty good track record. He made an offer to the I-Bowl and they refused. He made a good business decision. The I-Bowl had no leverage but negotiated like they did.
I love it, screw those bastards.
But everybody doesn't know that. Many could view it differently. I'm a big fan of Marcus Lemonis, and have been for a long time. I know his style. But, 90% of the folks living in the Shreveport area have never heard his name. The right thing to do here is to quietly move his tent on down the road, and make as few waves as possible when leaving. Be quiet and classy. It's not his job to fix the I-Bowl.
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if an independence bowl falls in the forest, does anyone hear it?
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HogDawg
But everybody doesn't know that. Many could view it differently. I'm a big fan of Marcus Lemonis, and have been for a long time. I know his style. But, 90% of the folks living in the Shreveport area have never heard his name. The right thing to do here is to quietly move his tent on down the road, and make as few waves as possible when leaving. Be quiet and classy. It's not his job to fix the I-Bowl.
Lemonis is a Profit, HogDawg, you just can't understand his deep knowledge. Further 90% of the folks living in the Shreveport area live below the property line and are unlikely to shop at Camping World. ;)
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dawg80
So, some scientific survey was conducted polling Shreveporters and the results were 50+% agreed Tech should be closed to support LSUS. Where can we find that survey with its results?
If scientific evidence was required as back up to every post made on BBB, this forum would shut down today. I was expressing my OPINION of what people in Shreveport think of Tech. I lived in Bossier for nine years before moving to Baton Rouge 21 years ago. I know how the Shreveport citizens I knew then felt about Tech. I know how Shreveport citizens I know today feel about Tech. I also know how LSU people I know in BR feel about Shreveport. If anything, the relationship between Tech and Shreveport is worse today than it was 21 years ago.
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No, you posted "in fact." Had you posted "in my opinion" I wouldn't have said what I did. However, I would still challenge that notion as an opinion too. Here's why, IN MY OPINION, the majority of Shreveport doesn't care enough to have an opinion/view point on the whole Tech vs. LSUS issue. So, again, this is just my view of it, and these numbers are meant as guesstimates, but I would guess (w/o tangible evidence to support my contention) that 60% simply don't care. And the remaining 40% is roughly split along these lines:
1. Want LSU-BR to take an even larger role in supporting LSUS 20%
2. Just want LSUS to be better/stronger and are OK with if it's LSU-BR or Tech that does it 15%
3. Want Tech to take over LSUS 5%
I do think, IMO, that Shreveport, as a whole, doesn't really care that much about anything. It's a laid-back town where the status quo is acceptable. It's a place without an identity. And they don't care that they don't have one.
And I definitely, defiantly!! challenge that asinine notion that 50% of Shreveport want Tech closed. That is stupid!! I know you can find Tech-haters in Shreveport, if you looked hard enough, who would agree with that. Heck, I will state right here: I want Grambling closed, I want ulm made a JUCO again. Not that I think either will ever happen. And my opinion hardly represents a majority.
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http://www.shreveporttimes.com/story...tore/96888744/
It sounds like Lang agrees with Lemonis, and also wants changes to tie-ins.
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kbm86
They are contracted through 2019 though. The I-Bowl has significant debt, no sponsor, and will have to pay $7M+ over the next three seasons if a crappy SEC and ACC team qualify. They won't survive to be able to make a change in tie-ins.
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I just read Roy Lang's column and it all comes down to he thinks the I Bowl has to condescend to having little ole Louisiana Tech come bail them out again. Someone needs to tell him to get a grip. Ain't gonna happen. HOD and Armed Forces Bowl wanted us when I Bowl didn't. Bottom feeders from the SEC and ACC can't compare with C-USA/AAC championship contenders. They might could get SBC runner up (their champ is going to the NO Bowl) but who would play them. I honestly do not believe we would want to play an also ran from the Belch. I guess a third level MAC team would. Lang doesn't even acknowledge the HOD and Armed Forces Bowl, but tries to compare the I Bowl to the Music City Bowl. The HOD has a $1.1 million payout that isn't reduced for G5 schools as far as I can tell. The Armed Forces Bowl had only a $650K in 2015. Those are the bowls they would be contending with for C-USA/AAC schools.
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dawg80
No, you posted "in fact." Had you posted "in my opinion" I wouldn't have said what I did. However, I would still challenge that notion as an opinion too. Here's why, IN MY OPINION, the majority of Shreveport doesn't care enough to have an opinion/view point on the whole Tech vs. LSUS issue. So, again, this is just my view of it, and these numbers are meant as guesstimates, but I would guess (w/o tangible evidence to support my contention) that 60% simply don't care. And the remaining 40% is roughly split along these lines:
1. Want LSU-BR to take an even larger role in supporting LSUS 20%
2. Just want LSUS to be better/stronger and are OK with if it's LSU-BR or Tech that does it 15%
3. Want Tech to take over LSUS 5%
I do think, IMO, that Shreveport, as a whole, doesn't really care that much about anything. It's a laid-back town where the status quo is acceptable. It's a place without an identity. And they don't care that they don't have one.
And I definitely, defiantly!! challenge that asinine notion that 50% of Shreveport want Tech closed. That is stupid!! I know you can find Tech-haters in Shreveport, if you looked hard enough, who would agree with that. Heck, I will state right here: I want Grambling closed, I want ulm made a JUCO again. Not that I think either will ever happen. And my opinion hardly represents a majority.
OK. What I should have said that "in my opinion" instead of "in fact". I still maintain, however, that in my experience, I've met more people in Shreveport with a negative view of Tech than I've met a positive view. I think you grossly underestimate the level of delusion that has always plagued Shreveport. There are many in Shreveport that still struggle to understand why there aren't LSU/Arkansas and Saints/Cowboys games played every year in Shreveport. One last thing I'll add is that the LSUS graduates that I know all call themselves LSU graduates, not LSUS graduates. Those same people also tell me point blank that they think their LSUS diploma is more valuable than a Tech diploma.
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kbm86
Breaking news from Roy Lang: The Independence Bowl is in trouble
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brtransplant
OK. What I should have said that "in my opinion" instead of "in fact". I still maintain, however, that in my experience, I've met more people in Shreveport with a negative view of Tech than I've met a positive view. I think you grossly underestimate the level of delusion that has always plagued Shreveport. There are many in Shreveport that still struggle to understand why there aren't LSU/Arkansas and Saints/Cowboys games played every year in Shreveport. One last thing I'll add is that the LSUS graduates that I know all call themselves LSU graduates, not LSUS graduates. Those same people also tell me point blank that they think their LSUS diploma is more valuable than a Tech diploma.
I hold a degree from both schools. My Tech degree is an undergraduate one, and my LSUS is an MBA. They both opened doors for me at a point in my professional/career life. My Tech degree got me off and winging, as a youngster, with International Paper. Later, the MBA from LSUS opened some other doors for me. I also hold an undergrad and a Master's degree from NSU. Each of those provided opportunities for me.
But, more to your point, you must run in a different circle than I do. I have NEVER, not once, met anyone who truly held a negative view of Tech. Oh sure, there are the NSU grads who say they "hate" Tech, but that's aimed at sports and is really said TIC. After you cut thru the ribbing about athletics, every one of them, to a person, acknowledge their admiration for Tech and all the university has accomplished.
Maybe you need to find another circle....
As for the delusional aspect of Shreveporters, yeah, I have encountered that as well. Has a lot to do with the city/community lacking its own identity.
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Houston Techsan
Lang doesn't even acknowledge the HOD and Armed Forces Bowl, but tries to compare the I Bowl to the Music City Bowl. The HOD has a $1.1 million payout that isn't reduced for G5 schools as far as I can tell. The Armed Forces Bowl had only a $650K in 2015. Those are the bowls they would be contending with for C-USA/AAC schools.
I get why Roy Lang made the comparison between the Independence Bowl and the Music City Bowl in his article. Both games had similar payouts and had agreements with the SEC in 2002. His example was evidence of how the Music City Bowl tripled its payout in the last fifteen years while the I-Bowl did nothing to raise theirs since 2002.
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However, one thing is crystal clear: It’s time to make the Independence Bowl great again.
Like President Trump’s battle cry, the slogan is misleading, as much is already great about the Independence Bowl.
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Of 41 postseason college football games involving FBS teams, only 10 boast a longer tradition than Shreveport’s affair.
The #1 great thing about the Independence Bowl is that the bowl game is old. Sears is really old also, but it's still crap.
Of the 10 bowl games older than the Independence Bowl, six are in the College Playoff Bowl system and the other four are the Sun, Gator, Citrus, and Liberty Bowls.
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Independence Stadium is worthy
Worthy in which ways? How is Independence Stadium worthy?
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Friday, the game lost title sponsor Camping World – the third title sponsor to depart in four years.
In many ways it’s obvious the I-Bowl has lost touch with the local fan base...
The game, while it won’t admit specifically, is behind the 8-ball financially.
Newsflash: 10-win teams aren’t coming to Shreveport. Neither is any other big name in the near future...
Without question, under the current setup, the I-Bowl is out of its league.
Other than the financial issues, the loss of a title sponsor (again), the fact that no great teams or good teams or big-name teams will come to the game, and the realization that the I-Bowl is out of its league, there is much that is already great about the Independence Bowl.
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For years, local fans have said they want to see the SEC. They lied.
Yeah Roy, blame the fans. The fans weren't the ones who signed the agreement to take the 11th-best team from the SEC each year. That was the I-Bowl committee.
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Locals who voted for or against the tax have legitimate beefs. The tax wasn’t touted as an effort to save the game, but was billed as a way to grow the game. Thanks in large part to the doughnut Duck Commander fed the bowl, that’s not happening.
According to a recent report posted by Jon Solomon at CBSSports.com, the I-Bowl’s minus-$582,512 in net assets in 2014 was the second lowest in the country.
"The doughnut Duck Commander fed the bowl" was agreed upon by the Independence Bowl committee. The I-Bowl should get the blame for this deal, not Duck Commander.
Also, the financial troubles with the Independence Bowl come from more than just the Duck Commander deal.
The net assets of the bowl game fell from:
- $602,805 on 2-28-2013
- $72,800 on 2-28-2014 (two days after Duck Commander deal was signed)
- -$582,512 on 2-28-2015
- -$1,165,184 on 2-29-2016 (after 1st year of Camping World sponsorship deal)
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brtransplant
OK. What I should have said that "in my opinion" instead of "in fact". I still maintain, however, that in my experience, I've met more people in Shreveport with a negative view of Tech than I've met a positive view. I think you grossly underestimate the level of delusion that has always plagued Shreveport. There are many in Shreveport that still struggle to understand why there aren't LSU/Arkansas and Saints/Cowboys games played every year in Shreveport. One last thing I'll add is that the LSUS graduates that I know all call themselves LSU graduates, not LSUS graduates. Those same people also tell me point blank that they think their LSUS diploma is more valuable than a Tech diploma.
I'd say that being 21 years removed from Shreveport living in Baton Rouge has made you out-of-touch with today's Shreveporters. You are an entire generation removed from the current climate here.
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Dawg06
I'd say that being 21 years removed from Shreveport living in Baton Rouge has made you out-of-touch with today's Shreveporters. You are an entire generation removed from the current climate here.
Not entirely. I still have business interests in Shreveport and deal regularly with people there, but I hope you are correct, and that today's Shreveporters are more pro Tech than the ones I've known for the last 30 years.
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brtransplant
If scientific evidence was required as back up to every post made on BBB, this forum would shut down today. I was expressing my OPINION of what people in Shreveport think of Tech. I lived in Bossier for nine years before moving to Baton Rouge 21 years ago. I know how the Shreveport citizens I knew then felt about Tech. I know how Shreveport citizens I know today feel about Tech. I also know how LSU people I know in BR feel about Shreveport. If anything, the relationship between Tech and Shreveport is worse today than it was 21 years ago.
If you spent about 5 minutes in Bossier and Shreveport you would know you are totally wrong. There is TECH everywhere now. I have lived here for 14 years, and there has never been more TECH stuff and more kids excited to be going to TECH as there are now. 21 years living with the crazies down there has made you out of touch. You are simply wrong. TECH is very much a favorite these days around here. I have a high school daughter getting letters and packets from schools all over the country. TECH is in the conversation for most of the local kids that don't have ties to BR, and it's not because they can't get in. Many of these kids could go anywhere.
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Have to agree with Cal&Ken. A lot has changed regarding the area's attitude toward Tech and it's much for the better. I started seeing a real change about 10 years ago and, seriously, I think the past 5 years has seen a marked improvement in perception. And there's good reason for it.
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I am not sure why we all collectively waste our breath , time, and opinions on this...there is truth in all of the posts above...I grew up in BR, but left long ago to go to Tech...been several places, but here in Mayberry(Shreveport) for 30 years...yes, the attitude of younger kids in HS is much more receptive to Tech, no doubt...unfortunately there are still plenty of "older grown-ups_ who are 'bandwaggoners" and will never change...there are so many levels of things here that need to change because it makes sense in relation to our beloved University--but I said makes sense, not "political sense"...the I Bowl is dotted with older cronies that have no love for Tech..they'll go down in flames trying to be "right'...some friends and I were discussing at church yesterday how many things we've lost just in the last 10-20 years--its pathetic, and I Bowl may be next..what North LA needs badly, and Shreveport/Bossier in particular, is JOBS--companies that invest and the tentacles expand..been saying this for a long time..with Dr Guice's vision and attitude, which filters down through those below him, we have a very bright future...this area certainly can afford a company or companies that offer positive opportunities, but crony, petty politics continues to depress our chances...I, myself, and my family, can only continue to support our University financially, attendance wise, and represent with a smile and humble attitude....Tech has always been perceived as "ok, but small time" in this area...do i see that changing slowly? Yes, i do.There is absolutely no reasonable doubt that "separation" is occurring, thanks in large part to more involved donor giving and alumni support...reality is what you are seeing in higher numbers attending, growth in expansion on campus both athletically and academically, and the proof is there with the higher ACT scores, GPA's, you name it..Shreveport has always suffered from a "latching on there wagon to something perceived as bigger and better", mainly due to not having a home based major school here...its seriously too bad that the Health/medical system isn't under Tech's tutelage, but there again the politics takes over and not what makes economic and business sense for this area...maybe one day...all of this is under the "I Bowl heading'...I bought 4-10 tickets EVERY year to I-Bowl since the 70's, up until 2012...I thought it was always good to support the area, and quite frankly for a very long time they did a heck of a job...in recent history, not so much...I sat in the end zone complex with a relative this year(free invite), and the whole thing wreaked of "small time patheticness"(if you'll excuse the made up phrase)...i was embarrassed for them and our town..IF the I BOWL goes away, it will be a very sad day, but based on the current situation I certainly can see it...there are viable answers out there, but I do not believe current leadership will legitimately consider those options..BTW BRtransplant, about two years ago I do believe I met your child working in the Mall of Louisiana...nice, personable young lady--and I still have 93 year old parents and a brother down there in the "den of iniquity'(LOL), so i get down there fairly often...just HATE DRIVING DOWN THERE!
We ALL have decent opinions and thoughts...bottom line is THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN THIS AREA CAN make a difference EVERY day by how we act, support, and LOVE our school--people notice, and like water slowly dripping on a rock, it will slowly erode the status quo...here endeth the rant....
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Paragraphs are your friend.
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Ha! Good one Champ967! Gotta laugh at that1 Sorry, got carried away and forgot the whole English lesson thing...
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Else wise, you did good, Dawg74, did very very good!
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Originally Posted by
Dawg74
I am not sure why we all collectively waste our breath , time, and opinions on this...there is truth in all of the posts above...I grew up in BR, but left long ago to go to Tech...been several places, but here in Mayberry(Shreveport) for 30 years...yes, the attitude of younger kids in HS is much more receptive to Tech, no doubt...unfortunately there are still plenty of "older grown-ups_ who are 'bandwaggoners" and will never change...
there are so many levels of things here that need to change because it makes sense in relation to our beloved University--but I said makes sense, not "political sense"...the I Bowl is dotted with older cronies that have no love for Tech..they'll go down in flames trying to be "right'...
some friends and I were discussing at church yesterday how many things we've lost just in the last 10-20 years--its pathetic, and I Bowl may be next..what North LA needs badly, and Shreveport/Bossier in particular, is JOBS--companies that invest and the tentacles expand..been saying this for a long time..with Dr Guice's vision and attitude, which filters down through those below him, we have a very bright future...
this area certainly can afford a company or companies that offer positive opportunities, but crony, petty politics continues to depress our chances...I, myself, and my family, can only continue to support our University financially, attendance wise, and represent with a smile and humble attitude....Tech has always been perceived as "ok, but small time" in this area...do i see that changing slowly? Yes, i do.There is absolutely no reasonable doubt that "separation" is occurring, thanks in large part to more involved donor giving and alumni support...reality is what you are seeing in higher numbers attending, growth in expansion on campus both athletically and academically, and the proof is there with the higher ACT scores, GPA's, you name it..
Shreveport has always suffered from a "latching on there wagon to something perceived as bigger and better", mainly due to not having a home based major school here...its seriously too bad that the Health/medical system isn't under Tech's tutelage, but there again the politics takes over and not what makes economic and business sense for this area...maybe one day...
all of this is under the "I Bowl heading'...I bought 4-10 tickets EVERY year to I-Bowl since the 70's, up until 2012...I thought it was always good to support the area, and quite frankly for a very long time they did a heck of a job...in recent history, not so much...I sat in the end zone complex with a relative this year(free invite), and the whole thing wreaked of "small time patheticness"(if you'll excuse the made up phrase)...i was embarrassed for them and our town..
IF the I BOWL goes away, it will be a very sad day, but based on the current situation I certainly can see it...there are viable answers out there, but I do not believe current leadership will legitimately consider those options..BTW BRtransplant, about two years ago I do believe I met your child working in the Mall of Louisiana...nice, personable young lady--and I still have 93 year old parents and a brother down there in the "den of iniquity'(LOL), so i get down there fairly often...just HATE DRIVING DOWN THERE!
We ALL have decent opinions and thoughts...bottom line is THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN THIS AREA CAN make a difference EVERY day by how we act, support, and LOVE our school--people notice, and like water slowly dripping on a rock, it will slowly erode the status quo...here endeth the rant....
Good stuff. The biggest reason the LSUS-Tech merger failed was that the sales pitch to the legislature was that it would save money. In reality, it needed to be sold as a job creator. For example, the professors conducting research at Camp Minden aren't talking about thousands of jobs. They're talking about hundreds of thousands of jobs. That's what needed to be sold to the legislature.
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Originally Posted by
Dawg74
I am not sure why we all collectively waste our breath , time, and opinions on this...there is truth in all of the posts above...I grew up in BR, but left long ago to go to Tech...been several places, but here in Mayberry(Shreveport) for 30 years...yes, the attitude of younger kids in HS is much more receptive to Tech, no doubt...unfortunately there are still plenty of "older grown-ups_ who are 'bandwaggoners" and will never change...there are so many levels of things here that need to change because it makes sense in relation to our beloved University--but I said makes sense, not "political sense"...the I Bowl is dotted with older cronies that have no love for Tech..they'll go down in flames trying to be "right'...some friends and I were discussing at church yesterday how many things we've lost just in the last 10-20 years--its pathetic, and I Bowl may be next..what North LA needs badly, and Shreveport/Bossier in particular, is JOBS--companies that invest and the tentacles expand..been saying this for a long time..with Dr Guice's vision and attitude, which filters down through those below him, we have a very bright future...this area certainly can afford a company or companies that offer positive opportunities, but crony, petty politics continues to depress our chances...I, myself, and my family, can only continue to support our University financially, attendance wise, and represent with a smile and humble attitude....Tech has always been perceived as "ok, but small time" in this area...do i see that changing slowly? Yes, i do.There is absolutely no reasonable doubt that "separation" is occurring, thanks in large part to more involved donor giving and alumni support...reality is what you are seeing in higher numbers attending, growth in expansion on campus both athletically and academically, and the proof is there with the higher ACT scores, GPA's, you name it..Shreveport has always suffered from a "latching on there wagon to something perceived as bigger and better", mainly due to not having a home based major school here...its seriously too bad that the Health/medical system isn't under Tech's tutelage, but there again the politics takes over and not what makes economic and business sense for this area...maybe one day...all of this is under the "I Bowl heading'...I bought 4-10 tickets EVERY year to I-Bowl since the 70's, up until 2012...I thought it was always good to support the area, and quite frankly for a very long time they did a heck of a job...in recent history, not so much...I sat in the end zone complex with a relative this year(free invite), and the whole thing wreaked of "small time patheticness"(if you'll excuse the made up phrase)...i was embarrassed for them and our town..IF the I BOWL goes away, it will be a very sad day, but based on the current situation I certainly can see it...there are viable answers out there, but I do not believe current leadership will legitimately consider those options..BTW BRtransplant, about two years ago I do believe I met your child working in the Mall of Louisiana...nice, personable young lady--and I still have 93 year old parents and a brother down there in the "den of iniquity'(LOL), so i get down there fairly often...just HATE DRIVING DOWN THERE!
We ALL have decent opinions and thoughts...bottom line is THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN THIS AREA CAN make a difference EVERY day by how we act, support, and LOVE our school--people notice, and like water slowly dripping on a rock, it will slowly erode the status quo...here endeth the rant....
I'm extremely happy to hear that the young people in Shreveport are more receptive to Tech than are the old codgers that I know and deal with. That's a really good sign that Tech is making some real progress in winning over some of the hearts and minds of people in northwest Louisiana.
And thanks for the kind words about my daughter. I hope she shared with you that, even here in the "den of iniquity", she was raised properly to always be a supporter of Tech in every way possible.
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Me and my better half went to the Armed forces bowl, one of the most exciting games i have seen in person. I was mad as hell with the defense but when i saw that fg go thru my blood pressure dropped finally! We left and got back to shreveport the next day for a family christmas get together. We were a little late and everyone was there already. We were immediately swarmed by family members who wanted to know about the game. They had all seen it tv and said what a great game it was and how they admired the team for never giving up. These are basically people who went to tech or nsu but support lsu because it was the thing that was popular. Many don't watch much football but there were posts on facebook, saying if your not watching Tech on tv you should be. Some of these people are Lawyers, builders and educators. We are making progress, we have to accept this and never stop moving forward.
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BRtransplant---yes, with great pride your young daughter saw me with my Tech logo shirt and immediately said like "Go Dawgs" or something to that effect! You obviously "brainwashed her" in a very positive manner!! She kind of laughed after a few minutes and "insuated I was as a big of homer as her dad", which of course I took as a major compliment!! LOL! Well done sir! And I again apologize to you and all for the rant...I am not sure who turned on my "talk" button as I rarely post...but I sure enjoyed it! And thanks for the kind comments to all...I STILL hold on to the very "dim" notion that the IBOWL as well as some our leaders on the political landscape will "get it" one day... soon...
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ronmyster
Me and my better half went to the Armed forces bowl, one of the most exciting games i have seen in person. I was mad as hell with the defense but when i saw that fg go thru my blood pressure dropped finally! We left and got back to shreveport the next day for a family christmas get together. We were a little late and everyone was there already. We were immediately swarmed by family members who wanted to know about the game. They had all seen it tv and said what a great game it was and how they admired the team for never giving up. These are basically people who went to tech or nsu but support lsu because it was the thing that was popular. Many don't watch much football but there were posts on facebook, saying if your not watching Tech on tv you should be. Some of these people are Lawyers, builders and educators. We are making progress, we have to accept this and never stop moving forward.
Love that story. Thanks for posting it.
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Around 2007-08, Conference USA actively approached the Independence Bowl about getting its #2 team, starting in 2010. The Independence Bowl really wanted two BCS conferences, and so declined pretty definitively. Things didn't work out as the I-Bowl had hoped, and they somehow ended up with the MWC instead.
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parialex
Around 2007-08, Conference USA actively approached the Independence Bowl about getting its #2 team, starting in 2010. The Independence Bowl really wanted two BCS conferences, and so declined pretty definitively. Things didn't work out as the I-Bowl had hoped, and they somehow ended up with the MWC instead.
....That kind of stuff happens when a business has no leadership with vision.
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Originally Posted by
parialex
Around 2007-08, Conference USA actively approached the Independence Bowl about getting its #2 team, starting in 2010. The Independence Bowl really wanted two BCS conferences, and so declined pretty definitively. Things didn't work out as the I-Bowl had hoped, and they somehow ended up with the MWC instead.
That decision could have been the turning point for the bowl but I guess that stubborn heads prevailed that day.
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HogDawg
....That kind of stuff happens when a business has no leadership with vision.
That goes to the saying...you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh-t!!!!!!
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HogDawg
....That kind of stuff happens when a business has no leadership with vision.
That's what happens when you have a figure head ostensibly "in charge", but with no real authority, and powerful people behind the scenes actually run the show....and they don't really have the specific professional prowess to pull it off.
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There's one less SEC team in the Indy Bowl pool for 2017 and maybe longer.
Neal McCready@NealMcCready
Ole Miss has been charged with Lack of Institutional Control. The university will contest that charge.
Neal McCready@NealMcCready
Ole Miss is self-inflicting a one-year postseason bowl ban for the 2017 season.
Neal McCready@NealMcCready
Our sources told us in January NCAA investigators want a two-year bowl ban and multiple show-causes on Ole Miss coaches.
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Dawg06
There's one less SEC team in the Indy Bowl pool for 2017 and maybe longer.
Neal McCready@NealMcCready
Ole Miss has been charged with Lack of Institutional Control. The university will contest that charge.
Neal McCready@NealMcCready
Ole Miss is self-inflicting a one-year postseason bowl ban for the 2017 season.
Neal McCready@NealMcCready
Our sources told us in January NCAA investigators want a two-year bowl ban and multiple show-causes on Ole Miss coaches.
They done been baddddd boys!!:o
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Payouts to teams will be in $ 100 bar tab for Winner - 2 for 1 deals for Loser.
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that may make it a pretty cool bowl game.......
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The big question now is: How does the Walk-On's deal compare to Camping World's $550,000 offer the Indy Bowl turned down?
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The Indy Bowl should seek a sponsorship from Rayfield Wright's PetroSun company...:icon_roll:
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dawg80
The Indy Bowl should seek a sponsorship from Rayfield Wright's PetroSun company...:icon_roll:
Been tgere, done that
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Makes sense. Louisiana company working on a nationwide expansion. And if you get Walk-Ons...You get Drew Brees.
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Dawg06
The big question now is: How does the Walk-On's deal compare to Camping World's $550,000 offer the Indy Bowl turned down?
The short term deal with the Duck Dynasty crew, who was a hot commodity at the time, didn't seem to work out well. Drew Brees is not the hot commodity he was two years ago either.
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How happy are the I-Bowl officials about LSU's demise this season? Or are they worried that LSU won't get to 6 wins?
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they are licking their chops....
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Remember you don't really need six wins. You can get a waiver if there are not enough six win teams or you're LSU and the Indy Bowl wants you.
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Houston Techsan
Remember you don't really need six wins. You can get a waiver if there are not enough six win teams or you're LSU and the Indy Bowl wants you.
I'll be surprised if LSU decides to go to the bowl at 6-6 - anything worse they will stay home...
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revf
Is there a reason that our relationship soured with the IBowl? I never understood the 2012 snub.
What reason do they have not to like Tech? Seems odd since we were accused of being in cahoots with them in 2009.
It goes back to 1990 when we had to beg to get an invite with an 8-3-1 record. I dont think Tech fans felt like the I-Bowl really wanted us but there was a lot of public pressure to issue us an invite. Of course, the crowd was one of the largest if not the largest in I Bowl history. Also a pretty good game b/t the dawgs and the terps. I think moving forward it always seemed like any invite to Tech was last choice. Glad we moved to a conference that has provided some bowl options and the I-Bowl is not one.
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The way the SEC is going this year there isn't a sure fire win on the rest of LSU's schedule, of course there is only won real sure fire loss on there either. Their cross conference games are both on the road at Fla and Tenn. I have not watched a single snap of LSU this year. Not sure how bad they are but they could very well lose out. :)
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Would someone with some more time do a comprehensive Tech/i-bowl relationship history. It would be an interesting read. That would be an interesting idea for an article in the Shreveport times if anyone over there actually knew Tech and/or the I-bowl actually exist. I suspect it would be full of anti-Tech spin. It would be interesting to get a Tech version and I-Bowl version of some of the snubs/ attempted deals that have happened over the years.
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detltu
Would someone with some more time do a comprehensive Tech/i-bowl relationship history. It would be an interesting read. That would be an interesting idea for an article in the Shreveport times if anyone over there actually knew Tech and/or the I-bowl actually exist. I suspect it would be full of anti-Tech spin. It would be interesting to get a Tech version and I-Bowl version of some of the snubs/ attempted deals that have happened over the years.
Techdawg28, theHistorian, & TechAlumni05 (hopefully I didn't butcher these) would be good candidates to find this information.
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It will be quite funny when LSU goes 6-6 or 5-7 and turns down an I-Bowl invite.
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DJDAWG
It will be quite funny when LSU goes 6-6 or 5-7 and turns down an I-Bowl invite.
Why wouldn't they want to play a 5-7 ACC team? Might be a rematch of their Syracuse game. Hell, they would probably fill the stadium with all the North Louisiana Wal Mart fans who could never get to Baton Rouge. Of course, no way they would play a good C-USA, AAC, MAC etc team. Might be a rematch of the Syracuse game.
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BearDawg137
Techdawg28, theHistorian, & TechAlumni05 (hopefully I didn't butcher these) would be good candidates to find this information.
Blast from the past: http://www.shreveporttimes.com/story...r-40/77418516/
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"At the end of year two, we have the ability to renew or not renew,” Lemonis said. “And so I’ve been very candid with them that the experience is going to determine whether we return or not.”
Spoiler alert: The experience didn't go well.
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https://www.settletalk.com/blog/2017...ayed-this-year
Settletalk.com Blog from Sept. 14th, 2017: WILL THE INDEPENDENCE BOWL BE PLAYED THIS YEAR?
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Where are the bylaws for the Independence Bowl Foundation (if any exist)? I'm trying to figure out how the foundation is supposed to operate.
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TechAlum05
https://www.settletalk.com/blog/2017/9/21/i-bowl-executive-director-setters-brushes-off-shreveport-city-council-1
Settletalk.com Blog from Sept. 21st, 2017: I-BOWL EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR SETTERS BRUSHES OFF SHREVEPORT CITY COUNCIL
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Dawg06
The big question now is: How does the Walk-On's deal compare to Camping World's $550,000 offer the Indy Bowl turned down?
I know Walk-On is growing but I can't imagine they have the dough to offer huge sums of money to a dying bowl.
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These people would not wait 24 hours for an answer from Tech. That decision turned out well financially didn't it...BUT they showed Tech! Brilliant business peeps!
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PawDawg
These people would not wait 24 hours for an answer from Tech. That decision turned out well financially didn't it...BUT they showed Tech! Brilliant business peeps!
They would have waited had we not done everything we could to get the initial invite. We went all in, and lost. Oh well, he doesn't work here anymore.
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detltu
THE i-bowl SHOULD BE FORCED TO COMPLY WITH PUBLIC RECORD SUNSHINE REQUIREMENTS. The bowl apparently gets a $100,000 appropriation from Shreveport as well as the half million dollar sales tax. Shreveport should immediately require this in return for ANY MONEY OR CONSIDERATION and there ought to be penalties for failure to comply. A citizen should be able to get bylaws, communication records, look at salaries, invoices, contracts, travel records, EVERYTHING. Seems like so much is hidden and accountability ignored.
There's a couple of really good guys on their staff and the bowl should be worth saving, BUT major changes are needed AT TOP LEVELS.
http://amp.usatoday.com/story/97040356
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qng001
I know Walk-On is growing but I can't imagine they have the dough to offer huge sums of money to a dying bowl.
I agree, their actual dollars contributed to the IB will be interesting to see. Looks like less than 20 locations.
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olddog75
I agree, their actual dollars contributed to the IB will be interesting to see. Looks like less than 20 locations.
Walk-ons is growing fast. Two years ago it was less than 5 locations. They're opening 4 in Austin alone. Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Knoxville, Nahsville...In 10 years they'll be like Buffalo Wild Wings.
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Saint Greg
Walk-ons is growing fast. Two years ago it was less than 5 locations. They're opening 4 in Austin alone. Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Knoxville, Nahsville...In 10 years they'll be like Buffalo Wild Wings.
We just got one in Covington that opened last week. Wife and I tried to go last night but it was packed. I'll wait for the new to wear off a little.
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Saint Greg
Walk-ons is growing fast. Two years ago it was less than 5 locations. They're opening 4 in Austin alone. Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Knoxville, Nahsville...In 10 years they'll be like Buffalo Wild Wings.
https://www.businessreport.com/artic...s-across-south
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Picking up speed: Shane Morrison, owner of Baton Rouge-based commercial real estate firm The Shane Morrison Companies, has reached an agreement with Walk-On’s Enterprises for the rights to open eight additional restaurants across five Southeastern states. Morrison’s company broke ground in early June on its first Walk-On’s Bistreaux & Bar franchise location in Zachary. The agreement announced Monday will allow Morrison’s firm to open restaurants in Auburn and Tuscaloosa, Alabama; Gainesville, Pensacola and Tallahassee, Florida; Gulfport, Mississippi; and Knoxville and Nashville, Tennessee. Walk-On’s says the company also plans to open additional locations in Louisiana, but specifics were not provided in a news release. A timeline for the new restaurant openings was also not outlined. Along with the real estate firm, Morrison owns and operates company-owned Sante Fe Cattle Company restaurants, and locations of Cody’s Original Roadhouse and Celebrity Theaters. Walk-On’s says it has more than 50 franchise locations in the pipeline.
I've eaten at the one in Shreveport a couple of times and haven't come away impressed.
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sportdawg
I usually get the voodoo shrimp with corn grits...and sweet potato fries. But a couple weeks ago I had the Hickory Burger with Waffle Cheese Fries and it was pretty darn good.
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I never heard of Walk-On until this year. I heard on the news the opening of 5 locations in Arkansas.
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Sounds like they are growing way too fast. No way they can keep up good management and service at that rate.
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They have been growing at a rapid rate. I will say that as far as sports bar food its some of the best I have had!
The one in New Orleans was ranked the #1 Sports bar in the country,
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PawDawg
Sounds like they are growing way too fast. No way they can keep up good management and service at that rate.
They are franchised- at least I know some of them. People we know just opened the one in Tyler. The food is good, but the service is slow in Bossier, and it is always crowded.
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The food is good, but the service is slow in Bossier, and it is always crowded.
Brings to mind the unacceptable excuse we often get in a busy places..."Sorry it took so long to get to you, but we are REALLY busy!" :D
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Cal&Ken
They are franchised- at least I know some of them. People we know just opened the one in Tyler. The food is good, but the service is slow in Bossier, and it is always crowded.
http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quot...ra-2-54-66.jpg
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Cal&Ken
They are franchised- at least I know some of them. People we know just opened the one in Tyler. The food is good, but the service is slow in Bossier, and it is always crowded.
Which is why no goes there any more? Just noticed the post almost identical to mine, but beat me to it.
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Houston Techsan
Which is why no goes there any more? Just noticed the post almost identical to mine, but beat me to it.
In Bossier they do- we only go if we aren't in a hurry, and that doesn't happen very often. Apparently there are lots of people that don't care how long it takes though- the parking lot is large and always full.
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It's officially official...we are now the @walk_onsIndependence Bowl! And we are quite excited about it!
3:00 PM - Oct 4, 2017
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Think it will be more than the $550K Camping World offered? I don't.
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PawDawg
Think it will be more than the $550K Camping World offered? I don't.
Announced amount yes...
True "cash" NO -
Shreveport TX welcomes Walk-Ons to the I-Bowl....
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Tim Fletcher @FletcherShow 2 minutes ago Walk-On’s Independence Bowl is official... guaranteed 3-year deal (lasts entirety of remaining ESPN contract with @IndyBowl)