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Originally Posted by dawg80
.......or maybe when he does that stupid "slide" again. :laugh:
You know the one I'm talking about, right? It's the same slide he did last night on 3rd down when he slid one yard short of a much needed 1st down. Instead of lowering his head and fighting for the first down, he put himself FIRST again, and said "to hell with everybody else, I'm sliding".
Skip's postgame comments were concerning to me. He expressed disappointment about the defense several times, rightfully so. But he hardly touched the "elephant in the room" which is our offense. Seems like he's almost dismissive of any scrutiny regarding the strategy or personnel. I hope it isn't because he is in charge of the offense but it certainly seemed like he was being defensive (no pun intended). Last night was the ideal time to play the backup qb for an extended period of time with the starters. I mean, the game was out of reach by halftime. It was beyond weird to me that Skip kept trotting J'Mar out there well after the outcome was not in doubt. Something ain't right about this deal, I will concede that point.
I just saw 100-year-old Drew Brees sacrifice his body diving for an extra much needed yard.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Who dat
Who Dat indeed!
Not dem Rams!Quote:
Originally Posted by LT
That was the most disappointing play of the game by far and considering this was the worst performance I have seen since 2013 on both sides of the ball, that is saying something. I wonder what the comments will be in the film room of this play?Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
"Good job, let's compete again next week"Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooddawg
Yep...because that's what REAL QBs do, that's what WINNERS do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
Losers hook slide to save their own sorry ass....
It was just another in a long line of examples of J'Mar Smith putting his personal needs over the needs of the team. He put himself first. Again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooddawg
What personal needs? Is that just your way of saying the guy is a coward and afraid of a little contact? Not that I disagree with you. But let's call it like it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Yes. I was trying to be a little more pc about it than just outright calling him that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
I figured.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
There is very little that Holtz could do to cause more "loss of face" than the ass whipping he took in Moo St. Well, I guess he could of kept rolling with a guy that . . . Never mind that is exactly what he did.
I listened to the radio show tonight with Teddy Allen and HCSH. The guest coach was Coach Campbell, Linebackers Coach. Good man with a bright future as a coach, and he's an Aggie and has coached in Texas, so this will definitely help us recruiting in Tejas..
I missed the first ten minutes, but caught the last 50 minutes. Did anyone listen in? And did HC say anything about QB or the offense? Listening to the show, for the time I caught it, there was no mention of the QB, and no questions.
The silence about QB play is deafening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rama Jama
First ten minutes was blah about being thrown off of our game. No focus. Lots of new players shuffling in and out.Quote:
Originally Posted by touchdown123
He did say J’Mar has a cannon for an arm and can sling it, but doesn’t know when to throw fast balls vs. sliders.
That’s a good one, but even more importantly, he can’t throw strikes regardless of the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by revf
....and yet, most of you will brag about Teddy Allen as if he is God's gift to the media.Quote:
Originally Posted by touchdown123
Would it really be that damn hard to ask a couple of questions about our QB situation? I mean, are these media people in north LA a bunch of babies?
Either changeups in the dirt or curveballs that miss high and/or wide.Quote:
Originally Posted by hambone29
You realize Teddy is not "media" don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
For the most part, he works for our HC when he does this show.
When he is does the games, he does question things just like most fans do, but in a very tactful way.
^ I think your point is valid.
I don’t think I could overlook the situation, job or not.
Is this season possibly J'mars last year of eligibility? Did the baseball games he played in his freshman year use up a year of "athletic scholarship"? Then he would only have three years of athletic scholarship left or do you receive a seperate 4 years for another sport? I know he is listed as a RS Junior but this has to do with eligibility.
He has another but if he graduates he could transfer without penalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by JDubyadawg
Why does he have another year left? Did the 2016 not count?Quote:
Originally Posted by touchdown123
2016...2017....2018....2019 = 4 years of eligibilityQuote:
Originally Posted by JDubyadawg
Quit teasing! Ha! on the transferring. Who would have him?Quote:
Originally Posted by touchdown123
Heard coach on the radio...
Westin ain’t coming in.
I didn't go back to the top of the blog, but I logged into the middle of a thread on a College Football Forum and some guy, of some school, posted:
Our QB was 8 of 24 for 92 yds and no TDs. That's the second straight crappy performance by this guy. Surely our back-up is better. If we don't change QBs this week, I'm done this season. (paraphrased a little)
So...some fan is upset their QB has had TWO crappy games!? Two? Whoa! that guy would come unglued if he had to endure 22 such games! No wait, it's 23 starts now. Smith is 13-10.
Lol. Us fans have three options. Get used to it, complain about it, or pretend it will get better. I'm choosing the third option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amos Moses
There’s nothing Smith could do short of getting injured that would cause Holtz to pull him.Quote:
Originally Posted by revf
Maybe if he turned it over 4 times?
I still go back to a Facebook comment made by the male family member of QB1 after the UAB debacle. He said (paraphrasing) that "we would have another QB next year if not sooner". Open for interpretation, but maybe QB1 just doesn't like football and wants to pursue a baseball career, I don't know. But in my mind, this is something that is in play behind the scenes.Quote:
Originally Posted by JDubyadawg
The same folks who "developed" J'Mar will develop his back up.
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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Well, that's it for me then. I'm gonna become a Bama fan....where having crappy QBs never seems to matter. (although Tau ain't half bad)
Just as safe as Tech for a place to talk smack about a guy you'll never encounter. It's always pretty safe to be a keyboard cowboy.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Teddy's probably going to be around LA Tech a lot longer than Holtz. He should just ask the tough questions that need to be asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Hopefully he has more touch, instinct, and leadership ability, but our HC has never made those things a priority when picking startersQuote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Can we please stop blaming the coaches for not developing J’Mar. He’s been coached. Some times a player just sucks.
Bet you wouldn't say that to johnnylightin's face! He'll stomp your big toe with his high heels!Quote:
Originally Posted by hambone29
Yeah, Smith sucks! But some can't seem to grasp that concept.
You may be surprised some of the things me and ole hambone have discussed over the years. He also hasn't questioned Smith's character. You've met me Jim, I don't think you nor anyone else would have any trouble saying anything to my face. I'm still betting your comments to some of our players would be tempered were they standing in front of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Let's do lunch...this one on me!
Sounds good. Holler at me next time your in Shreveport. I've been heading south pretty regularly too, so I'll give you a shout next time I'm in your neck of the woods.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Deal!Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Holtz quote today in TNS:
“Everyone wants to point to the quarterback, that’s always where it starts in an offense, but I think quarterback’s take way too much blame when they lose and way too much credit when you win. It’s a combination of everybody’s got to take a little bit of ownership of where we are and what we got to do,”
Jmar isn't going anywhere. In spite of his inability to consistently hit open receivers, know when to run - throw it away - or get sacked, recognized the blitz and get rid of the ball quickly and simply be a leader DO NOT MATTER. If I'm a back up QB at Tech and I believe I deserve the opportunity now or next year to play, I might consider transferring. Matter of fact, I would not be surprised if we lose another QB or 2 if Jmar is the starter coming our of spring.
If I were Cox I would be gone or see if Konkol wants another good basketball player.
Actually, the only one that should take ownership of where Tech is on the field is Coach Holtz.Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceWillisDawg
He may be satisfied with the offensive ineptitude that has taken hold, but a number of Tech fans are not, and that number is growing each week.
Cox should go for it, can he make a basket?Quote:
Originally Posted by tech70
Can he shoot free throws? If so, he needs to jump to hoops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tech52
FIFYQuote:
Originally Posted by Tech52
D80 beat me to it.
Watch his high school basket video, he can shoot .
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Originally Posted by BruceWillisDawg
I wonder if we could look back at South Florida forums and see if Holtz was saying the same thing about their QB at the time?
As Saban has said (obviously) the QB is the distributor of the ball. QB1 throws 900 MPH 10 yard screen passes, and consistently throws behind his receivers. I could go on, but it's been hashed and rehashed.. Only one person can make the change and his skull is 3 inches thick.
I want to say their stud QB kept getting hurt. I imagine that was a significant factor in their swift decline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rama Jama
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Originally Posted by dawg80
My hands have been in contact with Johnnylightnin's rear end many times... while taking snaps under center that is!Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
But you're right, I probably wouldn't say anything to his face. I've seen what he can do when he gets a full head of steam!!
I have witnessed the same thing you all have throughout the season. I try to grant our coach the benefit of my doubts and can usually understand some reasons he does what he does. For example, J'mar made a few key throws that helped us beat FAU. I get it how he was far from exceptional and missed some plays. I understand why he shouldn't necessarily be displaced for merely experimental purposes with a new starter at this point in the season. Our wins against North Texas and FAU are significant imo.
All that said, I think it would have been constructive to let the backup play entire 4th quarter against Miss State. It is weird to me that Skip didn't allow it. I can't even think of a good reason why he didn't. J'mar didn't need to play anymore and he was obviously struggling. To play someone else seems logical considering the circumstances. It certainly causes me to question the motivation and nobody has asked Skip why he didn't let someone else play. I'm open to any possible explanation but have yet to hear one. Pleas enlighten me if you you have a theory.
Holtz doesn’t want to be wrong on Smith. IMO opinion, it’s the same reason an NFL back in Scott was playing behind Craft. Once Holtz makes a decision, it’s gospel. I can’t think of another explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxerdog
It is perplexing. No one would have questioned...in fact everyone would have applauded....Holtz inserting a back up QB in the 4th qtr at Moo State. Game was long over, the outcome determined. Usually a starter is pulled in games like that because you don't want your starter getting hurt in a game already decided. That's the usual reason coaches pull starters out.
But, in this case, it does appear Holtz is not concerned about Smith getting hurt. The reasons are/can be:
1. Holtz knows Smith is chickenshit and will never put himself in harm's way
2. Holtz knows the back-ups are better and he doesn't want the truth getting out
On number 1, if Holtz really, truly thinks Smith is his best QB, then he should have injury concerns. While it is true, and blatantly obvious, Smith is all about self-preservation and the needs of the team be damned, anything can happen. He could get rolled up by one of his own OL....friendly fire....and injure a knee or ankle and be done for the year.
As for number 2, given Holtz's inexplicable favoritism of Craft over Scott as the #1 RB, have to think it's more of the same. Only, now, we're not even seeing the other QBs.
Oh well...it is what it is....I'm just counting down to bowl game 2019, which WILL BE SMITH'S LAST GAME EVER!!!!!!!!!!! Yippee!
As for Scott and Craft, I don't think it really mattered about who started. Boston got the majority of carries and was, ultimately, drafted.
This QB issue isn't malicious imo. I think Holtz may be trying to protect Smith. But it's not helpful for someone to shield them from consequences. If, instead, Holtz is trying to protect himself, that's problematic on many levels.
As an aside....I hate having to post things that appear to be negative toward Jared Craft. He was a good RB for Tech....a 1,000-yard rusher, and at times ran hard and I was like, Man! awesome! At other times he was just too slow to hit the hole and got stuffed at the LOS when he should have popped for 8-10 yards. That was the only complaint I had about Craft....just a little too slow. Otherwise he was a good back.
I honestly think Holtz wants to win, and for the most part he beats the teams that he is supposed to beat.
That being said decisions with the QB are perplexing. He knows smith makes some bad throws. Like everyone they are plain to see. Smith also makes great throws. Its up/down. On one down, he may be the best QB on the team. On the next down, he can be the worst.
I dont understand holding a redshirt for a backup who will never start at Tech. Elliot/Allen/Cox should have come in in the 4th quarter of MSU, but stubborness or misguided protection or something gets in his way of making that call.
I do too, but it appears that Holtz is more concerned with his game plan working than making adjustments when the other team has him figured out. We've seen this SO MANY times over the years and we were told when he came here that he coached that way. When you are in no danger of losing your job, you can do whatever you want to do with no concern of what our 9000 fans think.Quote:
Originally Posted by revf
9,000? doubt all of us will show up Saturday. Boring team, lousy QB vs. an even worse opponent....and horrible weather to boot! 5,000....maybe?
Ya know, tis a shame too. Remember 2001 our first year in the WAC and Rice the visitor. We easily had 23,000 butts in the seats (announced 25K+ as I recall). We jumped out 35-0 and then had to win in OT!!! Whew! talk about avoiding a total meltdown. Anyway, it was a good day for college football in Ruston. Nice crowd....a loud crowd! the MOB was there teasing us about '"which shade of blue we should use." Nice contingent of Rice fans, about 1,000+ mostly sitting together on the east side. Man! I thought we had arrived. That being in the WAC would be awesome...which it mostly was.
Now...look at this mess.
And if I remember correctly, it was a day game and hot as hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
I hope our president is taking note of the consistent decline in attendance this year and last year. With the new stadium upgrades and repeat bowl eligibility the program is losing its appeal. No other explanation than the product on the field is boring and frustrating. Tech has always struggled to consistently break 22-23k in attendance but this year especially its a 10k swing in the wrong direction.
ULMNLU sold $8 tics last week. Not saying we need to do that but 2k @ $10 is better than O @ $0.
You have to match the price to the product. The market sets the price at the value to which the public is willing to pay.Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceWillisDawg
I'll be in Ruston on Thanksgiving weekend. If I hadn't already sworn not to attend any Holtz debacles again, I certainly would not pay 2x21=$42 dollars to see whatever shitshow he decides to scrape together. A reasonable person (which I'm not) might be persuaded for $5-10 tickets. Is it worth having to watch 4 hours of Holtzball? Maybe. There's a price point there for optimum attendance. $21 is not it. That's a lot of money per head to go watch us struggle against awful teams. If we are serious about attendance, which we're not, we have to lower the price of attendance. Otherwise, you're squeezing blood from a stone.
My guess is that Cox isn't ready and he doesn't want to blow Elliot's redshirt. If I'm right, we'll see Elliot over the next few weeks as he could play in every game left and the bowl game and keep his shirt.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxerdog
just gonna leave this here ...Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Only if you know how to run a program/business. TMAC doesn't so, we are screwed with high prices, crappy OOC deals, lack of home games, and currently a crappy offensive product.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
Scott got the majority of carries only after Craft was banged up when they were seniors. I thought they were both good backs, but I thought Scott was the better runner when they were sophomores, but got very limited carries. Maybe there were other reasons Craft got the majority of carries--better blocker, better receiver (debatable), etc.??Quote:
Originally Posted by boxerdog
It was a day game, but it was beautiful weather. Not hot at all. The Rice QB was the coach's son. Can't remember his name. Talk about a team that wouldn't quit! It was a fun game to be at, even if it was a nail biter after being a blowout..Quote:
Originally Posted by brtransplant
Hatfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amos Moses
That was a beautiful contrast in offensive philosophy.
Hatfield had been a receiver for Arkansas under Broyles and was the Air Force Academy coach before coming to Rice. I couldn't think of his name either. Thanks inudesu. I believe he ran the wishbone at AF.
I considered that reasoning. However, it seems like he would only keep Elliot from getting some time against Miss State unless he is considering making a change in starting QBs. The circumstances of the Miss State were appropriate to play the backup. Odds are at least 2 of our last 3 games will not be as appropriate. In fact, I suppose we will be more effective on offense for the next 3 games. Do you think he intends to play Elliot in the next 4 games regardless of how effective we are on offense?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I really want to believe this was all a calculated and clever plan by Holtz to save redshirts, etc, but I just don't buy it.
J'Mar aint coming off the field unless he loses his helmet or gets injured. Like Boxer said, last game was the perfect time to give another QB some snaps.
We are stuck with rockstar QB1 for another 16-17 games. Yay.
I remember it as a beautiful day. Weather history shows afternoon temps were at 60.Quote:
Originally Posted by brtransplant
Hatfield was a RB in that game. Herm was the QB that lit us up in 2nd half. Hatfield did not play QB in the game.
Here is the 2001 box score. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb...iana-tech.html
I hope. All we can do is go on what he said after the Southern game. JMO, but I would not have thrown him to the wolves at Miss St.. I do think he should have put Cox in. Do we even know if Elliot has been traveling?Quote:
Originally Posted by boxerdog
I saw him on the sideline Saturday in Starkville.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
I don't get the idea he's trying to protect Elliot. I mean, if anything, he's trying to protect J'mar. It would have been far less pressure to perform in the 4th quarter of the game last weekend in terms of making a difference. Giving him crumbs against Rice or Western Kentucky won't matter and might not even be appropriate. It's weird to me. What did he have to lose?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Thanks 77! Man, how time sure dulls the memory!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tech77
If you see another QB at all, it will be in garbage time. Given some of Holtz statements, I don’t expect it. The real question is this, can our offense generate enough points to have a comfortable lead in the 4th quarter? With the way we’ve played at home and how weak our offense has been this year, that’s in doubt. I believe we lose one of the last 3 games, maybe two.
twssQuote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
tch...tch :icon_roll:
Someone has more than one? Actually I heard of a baby boy born at Parkland Hospital in Dallas that had two of them. They named one of them Hose A and the other Hose B.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
It's probably not ideal in most cases for a young QB to be thrown into their first real playing time against a top caliber defense who already smells blood. I could see an argument that putting him out there and getting him killed might just mess up his confidence. I'm not sure I totally buy that, or necessarily think that's what was happening here. But that's a potential argument for protecting Elliot by not playing him against MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxerdog
Obviously, you'd have the other side of this which would be the argument for a baptism by fire, but it's theoretically possible that this was the reasoning.
I respectfully cry BALDERDASH on this one (I'll give you a little time to Google that one). I subscribe to the idea that it is the ideal situation to see how he will react in combat. MSU had pulled lots of their defensive starters, so that kinda balanced out the situation. I say the other side you mentioned....baptism by fire...would help him more than frighten him. If it does scare him, he needs to reconsider playing in D1.Quote:
Originally Posted by inudesu
I agree, if MSU has made substitutions essentially calling off the dogs, then we should do the same. We should beat Rice and WKU with or without a sub at QB. J’Mar still had no success against second stringers. If our backup had success against them, that would really bean indictment against our coach(es).Quote:
Originally Posted by Amos Moses
I'm not arguing for or against doing this, I'm just pointing out that it could have been a philosophical decision (based on protecting Elliot as suggested by PawDawg above).Quote:
Originally Posted by Amos Moses
I think a QB change is a possibility whether Skip wants one or not. If he plays Elliot in the next few weeks and the O runs more efficiently, He'll have to start him. Like you, I don't buy that Skip is just too bull headed to try a guy he knows is better because he called J'Mar a rockstar 2 years ago. I think you could certainly see him in the next few weeks if the O sputters.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxerdog
Now, the only way he loses his shirt is if UAB tanks in the next 3 weeks and we play in the CG...not very likely.
More like UAB is a division of tanks, rolling over the opposition. Like an SS Panzer Division of King Tigers during the battles in Hungary, literally crushing the Russians and their eastern European allies under their tracks. Anyway...you get the too graphic picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
UAB losing, ain't happening.
Just think about what COULD HAVE BEEN.... Once the game was out of hand, if Skip had done the RIGHT THING and let another QB take some snaps, and just answer the damn question after the game with "We'll get both QB's some snaps in practice this week and play the QB that gives us the best chance to win against Rice" Coach answer bullshit, this board would have been happier, the TEAM would be happier, J'MAR could actually feel the heat and step his game up.
Unfortunately.... we have this. The Smith's have to have naked beach photo's with a mistress or something...
I can't load up 4 girls again to come watch this shit tomorrow. MAYBE wife would let me go by myself, but we'll see.
Pissed me off even more to think that we lost to UAB at home this week. This tells me how bad of a coach that Holtz is.
Given the opponent, yes the lead should be big enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by SicemDawgz
I thought the same thing against UTEPQuote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom
I feel you, but Rice is not UTEP. Rice is the worst team in FBS.Quote:
Originally Posted by SicemDawgz
Wasn’t UTEP worst in FBS until they played us?
No, they had already played North Texas to 27-24 and then had an open date before they played us.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
I love all of you who BELIEVED skip was actually going to play Westin Elliott in a single game this year...