Okay...just saw a video from a testing sample...no thanks! I survived the sub-Sahara flu, with 104F fever, just 5 years ago. I think I can survive this too. If not...it's been fun y'all!Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
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Okay...just saw a video from a testing sample...no thanks! I survived the sub-Sahara flu, with 104F fever, just 5 years ago. I think I can survive this too. If not...it's been fun y'all!Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
No different from being tested for the flu. Not fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
The antibody test is scheduled for rollout on Monday. Two different groups have tests, but it appears the ability to have large numbers of individuals tested is weeks away
"Theel also says Mayo hopes to have the tests available next week, but because of a limited supply, will be doing a slow roll out and hope that commercial manufacturers will speed production in the next few weeks."
https://www.biospace.com/article/fda...antibody-test/
Oh, yes it is different!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian
Abbott labs' 5 minute test shipped Thursday and should be in the field by now.
Unfortunately, Abbott can only produce about 50,000 tests per day at the current time. They also seem unwilling to license out the test to other labs for manufacturing. Last night on Fox (4/3) Steve Forbes put it blundly: "We have to create 500,000 of these tests per day. License it out and get it done."
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/04/0...rus-tests.html
Time for Defense Production Act usage . Now.
Yes, the solution to government IP red tape is more authoritarian takeover.Quote:
Originally Posted by tech70
What do you mean by government IP red tape?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
My wife doesn't appreciate that I'm doing my part. She says, "all you gonna do is hang on that computer all day!?" I said, "I'm flattening the curve, honey."
I don't think you need any type of takeover. Abbott just has to give Admiral Giroir a number - how much they would lose if they simply gave the license away to anyone who wanted to produce the test. The Feds then wire them funds in exchange for the CEO's signature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
Instead of 50,000 tests per day you get 5,000,000 tests or more per day.
Licensing, regulations, that type of thing. If others can produce the test without needing to jump through hoops, the supply can rise to meet the demand without artificial interference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I think I saw elsewhere where some FDA regulations were lifted or at least lightened, maybe for Telsa's factory retooling?
April 4Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
12,496 cases 409 deaths, 61 of 64 parishes, still, positive testing rate up to 21%.
1,726 hosp 571 vents
Either they didn't update the hospitalization and ventilator numbers or the numbers put in/on equaled the numbers discharge/or taken off. In other words they're the same as yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
1,707 hospitalized 535 on ventilatorsQuote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Adding those numbers for easy reference tomorrow and beyond.
Any chance/hope the numbers didn't increase because there were no new cases!?Quote:
Originally Posted by MoonPieBlue
Probably just an oversight updating the website...:(
They did update the numbers. Only an increase of 19 hospitalizations but 36 additional on ventilators. Still not comfortable with the numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Right now most of us will take any good news.... even if we have to "spin" it that way! An increase of JUST 19 hospitalized...that's good.
Hey, here's some good news, my former football bud, his initials are DC, is doing much better. Still in the hospital but his wife reports he is breathing much, much easier now.
Do you know what treatment they used?
Don't know, but will inquire today. DC is embarrassed by this. Typical alpha-male who thinks he is invincible and sees this as a weakness. His wife has been more forthcoming keeping family and friends up to date. He is not out of danger, totally, but his high fever has broke and of course, as you know, that makes you feel better. So! he's ready to go home now! He's really just a big teddy bear of fellow. He was a terror on the football field, and a gentle giant off of it. I'll pass along more as we learn more.Quote:
Originally Posted by tech70
In sad news, heard that Tom Dempsey passed away. He was 73.
You might have seen where some person in a grocery store went ballistic lamblasting a nurse who was doing some shopping after getting off of work. She was in her scrubs and some person shouted at her to get out, fearful her scrubs were home to the virus and she was spreading it. Saw that on the news.
Well, something similar happened here to a friend of ours. Karla is a nurse at the NRMC and she was pulling a double shift. She did, however, have 45 mins between shifts to get something to eat and to swing by to pick up milk for her kids, then return to work. Some folks said some nasty things to her and demanded the store kick her out. The store manager did not kick her out but did escort her to assure she would be in and out as quickly as possible. After pulling her second 8-hr shift and at the point of exhaustion she broke down...that episode suddenly hit her. She was shocked by the reaction of those people. She reached out to a mutual friend via FB and my wife who is "Friends" with them both saw it and responded.
Being a historian, I find solace in the actions and words of heroic figures from the past. It struck me that our frontline healthcare workers in this war are really under the gun...and to be treated like that....well, that is unacceptable. These words are appropriate in reference to our gallant doctors, nurses, and all the others:
"Never before in the annals of history have so many, owed so much, to so few." - Winston Churchill
Tom Dempsey passed away last night. He was 73 years old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom
April 5Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
13,010 cases, 477 deaths, 61 of 64 parishes positive test rate at 21.6%
1,803 hospitalized, 561 on ventilators
YES! he got that anti-malaria treatment and it absolutely kicked C-19's ass right out the door!!!! He feels great, and if his fever, which has completely disappeared, stays gone he will be released at 4PM today. Two days ago they weren't sure he was gonna live. DC is a diabetic and is somewhat over-weight. Today he's got it whipped!Quote:
Originally Posted by tech70
I am no doctor, or medical expert, but I would have to say all that we have been hearing about this "miracle" drug is true!
Trump was BLASTED by the lib media for daring to say he thinks this anti-malaria drug beats ventilators. They creamed him, laughed at him, mocked him! What he said was he thinks it's better to put patients on this drug, and that is where our efforts ought to be, producing more of this drug and less so on ventilators. I think we can do both... but the point is he said once a patient gets on a ventilator, given the track record so far, they have a very high % of dying.
He's amazing. His instincts are always dead on target.
RIGHT AGAIN!!!
Maybe. Might also have some dangerous interactions with other drugs. And if it turns out not to effective, folks with lupus and RA might not get the drugs they need to treat their conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Hopefully it is an effective therapy, but Trump is in no better position to declare it so than the experts that are giving him the information and ultimately make the approvals.
Like any true leader he is willing to listen to the experts and not make the call on every little thing. He may take credit for it, but he is NOT making all the evaluations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Sure. He is not a clinician, so he clearly got this information from someone and not his gut.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Hope it works. But if it is in limited supply, and anecdotally it appears to be, I really hope it is being used for cases where it is most likely to work and with the right dosage. I suspect in most cases it is, because I trust the doctors making the call.
Dayum! just learned one of my contractors and his assistant are C-19 infected. I last had "contact" with them about a week ago or so. Yes, we tried to keep 6 feet apart, but I know we didn't always maintain that. He is very diabetic! His sister texted me to let me know. The beat goes on...!
I contacted his office and his admin assistant said it was March 25th when we last met, so, the 14 days will be up this Wednesday, April 8.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Good luck and watch your family. You could be asymptomatic .
This is my second brush with it. The first was an attorney about a month ago. Well, second contact I know of. Could be a whole lot more! If I have it, some in my family do too by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by tech70
April 6:Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
14867 cases, 512 deaths, 62 of 64 parishes
Most encouraging Hospitalization 1809 and ventilators 563, only an increase of 6 and 2 over yesterday (assuming everything is up-to-date).
April 6Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
14,867 cases 512 deaths, 62 of 64 parishes, positive test rate at 21.5%
1,809 hospitalized, 563 on ventilators
Only two parishes left: Cameron and Tensas
:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Now way you actually believe that.
Louisiana newborn dies after coronavirus-positive mom goes into preterm labor
https://www.foxnews.com/health/louis...-preterm-labor
"The child, who was born prematurely, has not tested positive for COVID-19, but officials are considering the death coronavirus-related because “of the positive nature of the mother.”
Very sad, however, initial reporting of this devastating event wrongly implied that the newborn had succumbed to the coronavirus, which caused undue panic among pregnant women and their soon to be grandparents! I don't doubt that the coronavirus was the largest factor precipitating the mother's premature labor and delivery. That said, the child was still in the 2nd trimester of fetal development at 22 weeks, which presents very grave risks to the survival of the child who, had the child survived early birth would spend several months in the NICU. Very few newborns survive birth at that gestational age.
It's very important in these times of a worldwide pandemic that reporting agencies present the facts carefully and precisely so as NOT the allow an already PARANOID citizenry to go through the mental gymnastics of conjuring up their crazy scenarios regarding their own newborns and toddlers! This kind of incomplete information causes undue worry to an already panicked public!
https://www.usnews.com/news/national...navirus-spread
This is the first times I've seen any breakdown of ethnicity.
"More than 70% of coronavirus deaths in Louisiana thus far have been African Americans, the data shows. The most common underlying condition is hypertension."
It's true! C-19 is racist! Even more reason to kick this thing to the curb.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoonPieBlue
Somehow the racist claim will be transferred to Trump, just like it was for Bush after Katrina.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
April 7Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
16,284 cases 582 deaths 63 of 64 parishes, only Tensas left, positive test rate at 21.8%
1,996 hosp 519 on vents
Of course the libtards will blame Trump. They can't blame Dem gov JBE or the Dem mayors of NO and BR! Dems never do anything wrong!Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
April 8Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
17,030 cases 652 deaths 63 parishes, 20.9% positive test rate
1,983 Hosp and 490 on ventilators
On a positive note, this is the first day since I've been tracking that the # of hospitalizations and those on ventilators have both been less than the day before.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
https://www.businessinsider.com/fauc...ericans-2020-4Quote:
Originally Posted by MoonPieBlue
This will be turned into heath care availability not health disparities. It began yesterday. I heard it at least 3 times while listening to and watching the news last night. This is the hot button that the democrats will use and have already began to use in order to fire up 10% of their sheeple.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Interesting!
Published 43 mins ago
New Orleans field hospital provides 1,000 beds for coronavirus relief: Here’s a look inside
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-orlea...-relief-photos
April 9Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
18,238 cases, 702 deaths 63 parishes , positive test rate at 21.0%
2,014 in hosp 473 on ventilators
April 10Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
19,253 cases 755 deaths 63 parishes (how is Tensas doing it?) positive test rate at 20.9%
2,054 hosp 479 on ventilators
Meth kills coronavirus.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Maybe they're on to something...Quote:
Originally Posted by detltu
https://media.giphy.com/media/AfbYNbyHtwUMg/giphy.gifNot sure there not walking dead.
https://media.giphy.com/media/AfbYNbyHtwUMg/giphy.gif
This is our first employee to contract Covid-19 (it’s a Facebook post someone texted to me and I copied and pasted, so I don’t know if it will work) https://www.facebook.com/WKHealthSys...6582450580767/
April 11Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
20,014 cases 806 deaths 64 of 64 parishes* with at least one case, positive test rate at 20.8%
2,067 hosp and 470 on ventilators
* good job Tensas holding out the longest
I've had several long conversations with JBE. He's not all bad, but he is a typical politician..."tell the voters what they want to hear." His primary advisor, and another good friend, passed away recently. He too was a good fellow but knew how to game the system for personal gain (wealth and power). They are both examples of that hidden part of the Dem Party.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Based on what he says, he has no national political aspirations. He couldn't get the Dem nomination for POTUS anyway, not without changing about 90% of his positions.
Unfortunately, if you, as a state governor, want access to federal stockpiles (which contrary to what Kushner said) are held for the states, you have to flatter and not criticize Trump. That is the world we live in when you have a POTUS that thinks he is a king...and a POTUS that cares more about his own ego than doing what is right for the general welfare of the nation.
April 12Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
20,595 cases 840 deaths positive testing rate at 19.8%
2,084 hosp 458 on ventilators
Suppose to be at or very close to the apex, so these numbers are showing some signs of encouragement.
I realize this is a relatively small sample size, Louisiana, but isn't it interesting that the positive testing rate is hovering around 20%, 1 in 5, and the 2009-10 Swine Flu infected 61 million Americans, about 1 in 5. Given that a segment of the population will have contracted C-19, but never know it, and thus are not tested, perhaps it will also infect about 61 million Americans.
The current thinking is that this one is likely to keep going until there is a vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
The 1918 Spanish Flu rocked on for 3 years. So, yeah, without a vaccine C-19 is most likely gonna hang around for awhile. Some are predicting a significant second wave in the fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Fixed itQuote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
What is the other current thinking?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
The unknown. Thinking is not knowing, but I'm convinced that it is wishful thinking on the part of those who say we need to just stay hunkered down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Then you didn’t need to qualify my post - “the current thinking is” implies uncertainty and it is subject to change if evidence to the contrary is discovered.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Right. The same experts who warn of the “dangers” of hydroxychloroquine.
I am not surprised that you weren’t aware of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Because there aren't any serious dangers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
It's a cheap drug. Your people want an expensive and mandatory vaccine. That's your only solution to end what is killing the unhealty.
You are misinformed.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
No I am not. You posted one article that listed a couple of "potential" dangers. You have zero examples of people dying or even suffering from taking this treatment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I posted an article that showed that some do, and those that are at risk for cardiotoxic effects and arrhythmias happen to overlap the population that is most at risk for having severe complications with COVID.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
You could also check this one out.
https://thehill.com/policy/internati...n-experimental
Oh, but the drug didn't kill anyone. If you've been following along EVERY death when the patient had C-19 was blamed on the virus. So, those 4 fatalities in France were just four more in C-19's column. Nothing to see here.
Pawdawg, medical genius, said it was safe and that is impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Never said impossible. It is not dangerous like your camp is claiming. VERY little risk and very inexpensiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Very little risk according to whom?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
The article(s) you depended on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I realize it is upsetting to you and other Trump haters that there is inexpensive help for this massive over reaction, but the risk is minimal.
YOU show me the actual risk. You've yet to do it.
Well...the people who were on death's doorstep, were given the drug, and are now home and doing fine, to name a few.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The top cardiologist at Mayo Clinic says there is a high risk for a significant part of the serious COVID population.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
That doesn’t tell you there isn’t risk, just that it didn’t kill them. Hopefully it doesn’t cause them peripheral blindness or any of the other known side effects.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
One person is all you got and that is NOT what he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I love it that Rachel or one of CNN's peeps has not giving you more Trump hate to feed off of regarding this treatment.
How 'bout those algorithms you were so excited about last week? So many fewer have died than you hoped for. That has to be upsetting.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Being safe for 90% of the population isn’t safe by any stretch.Quote:
While hydroxychloroquine is likely to be safe for 90 percent of the population, Ackerman said, it could pose serious and potentially lethal risks to a small number of those susceptible to heart conditions, especially those with other chronic medical problems already on multiple medications.
I don’t think you know what the word “safe” means.Quote:
In fact, a small recent study showed that up to 11 percent of coronavirus patients on hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin are in the so-called "red zone" for potential cardiac side effects.
"They've entered the danger zone," Ackerman said. "That is not just my hunch that patients are going to be reacting to this drug — but they are reacting to this drug."
And there is the fact that it did kill some COVID patients in the French study.
But apparently medical advice is now party of the Republican Party platform.
Way more have died than I hoped and that needed to die. Hopefully, Trump listens more to his medical experts this time when reopening the economy or it will get even worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
His delays of listening to the medical experts last time is to blame for thousands of those that have died now. Blood on his hands and those that put this moron in charge, cause you really should have known he couldn’t be trusted to handle something like this. It is kind of like hiring the town drunk to drive a schoolbus.
I'm a bit confused on this drug thingy. I've seen two mentioned, one the hydrochorine...whatever, and the other Azithmyrocin, or some such. One, or pehaps both, is the anti-malaria drug. So, which one has Goosey all upset...or is it both?
And then when it comes to it effectiveness, there is at least some doubt -
Of course, normally when a reporter tries to ask Fauci about this during their joint briefings, Trump tries to block him from answering it because Fauci isn’t fully on board with the new Republican Party line.Quote:
“The data are really just, at best, suggestive,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told CBS’s Face the Nation on April 5. “There have been cases that show there may be an effect, and there are others to show there’s no effect. So I think, in terms of science, I don’t think we could definitively say it works.”
Hydroxychloroquine is for malaria, lupus, RA.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Azithmyrocin is an antibiotic for fighting some serious secondary infections.
Another study finding it was ineffective, one patient died, and causing cardiac effects in another causing them to stop treatment.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...858?via%3Dihub
10% and blindness? Four deaths in thousands of dosages. You got NOTHING!Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
No, you are the one that has nothing. Literally. Even Fauci says it has been proven effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
From the French study:
So it really is more than 4 cases...it is a lie to represent that this drug isn’t dangerous.Quote:
53 cases of cardiac adverse effects were thus analyzed, including 43 cases with hydroxychloroquine, alone or in combination (in particular with azithromycin). They are classified into three categories: 7 cases of sudden death, including 3 "recovered" by external electric shock, ten disorders of the electrocardiographic rhythm or cardiac symptoms evoking them as syncopes, and conduction disorders including lengthening of the QT interval, favorable evolution after stopping treatment.
This initial assessment shows that the risks, in particular cardiovascular, associated with these treatments are very present and potentially increased in COVID-19 patients.
Hydroxyc. has been used for decades to treat malaria, and then for Lupus, RA, and some other illnesses. Clinical study after clinical study deemed it safe for anyone, including for children and pregnant women. Every single study said the worst someone might experience are mild symptoms, non life-threatening. But now, all of a sudden, it's some highly dangerous drug!? Nah! anyone making such claims have ulterior motives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Now, how effective is it fighting C-19? Well, there aren't any completed clinical studies on that, yet. But we do know it has been used and there have been positive results. And no side effects at all. IF this drug had dangerous side effects they would have been declared and documented decades ago. I did a quick Internet search and found a study from 1984 that stated hyrdoxyc. was perfectly safe. Other studies since then, as the drug expanded from treating malaria to treating Lupus and RA, all say the same thing...no serious side effects.
But now, all of sudden, it's highly dangerous? It WILL, without question, KILL people!??? Really? So, decades of research and documented safe use, clinical study after clinical study, mean nothing, but a couple of examples in France...with NO CLINICAL STUDY...declares the drug too dangerous to use. Hmmm....who is ignoring medical science here? :icon_roll:
Hydroxychloroquine has always been contraindicated for certain risk groups, which happens to be the same risk groups for having severe complications with COVID.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5...traindications
Not saying it isn’t worth a try in an emergency when it seems like you are out of other options or if you are in the population group that is at lower risk for having complications. It just so happens that with COVID about 10 percent of the people that are hospitalized are in the danger zone for this drug.
And we don’t even know that this drug works. There is also evidence that it is ineffective.
If medical science says, and has said (although I have not found any articles that agree) certain groups, like 70+ or folks with certain medical conditions should not be given this drug, that it represents a greater risk than trying to beat C-19 for those patients, that is one thing. But, it is curious those concerns didn't seem to matter decades ago. And what, 10% of those with C-19 are in the "danger zone" for use of this drug to fight the virus, so that means the other 90% are just, "tough shit, buddy, you're out of luck!" That is so stupid it is lunacy!
All anyone, including President Trump, who have advocated for its use has said, is to have patients' doctors make the final decision. That's the way ALL medical decisions are made! If YOUR doctor tells you, that using this drug represents an unwarranted risk, I would think you would say, "Okay, Doc...so what are my other options?" We all know that is exactly how this will go, in every case, and the criticism of its advocacy, especially aimed at Trump, is all politically motivated and is not rooted in medical science.
Stop saying "we don't even know that this drug works." Yes, we do know. Doctors in New Orleans are routinely administering it because they say it is working. And my football friend walked out of the hospital last week a mere 48 hours after he and his wife were told "get your affairs in order. He was given the drug and it worked!
I understand it's not all one way or the other. For some patients inflicted with C-19 there are other factors. ANY drug, this one or some other, may not work for them, and/or may cause complications when the cure is worst than the disease. Each case needs to be assessed on its own merits. But, based on what we know right now, this hydroxyc. drug appears to be a good stop-gap measure. And curing 90% of those inflicted without serious side effects rises to the level of a GREAT stop-gap measure! Then afterwards, medical personnel and researchers will have more time and resources to try to help the remaining 10%.
Fauci says he doesn’t know the drug works.
Literally no one is saying that physicians should not use the drug if they think it will work for their patient. Some studies show it is effective and some show the opposite. There hasn’t been real clinical studies, so there is a higher degree of uncertainty.
Physicians will have to manage their way through this. They are allowed to prescribe it, so I don’t know what more you need in the interim.
Saying it isn’t dangerous or that it is “safe” or that it is “proven effective” is just ignorance, though.
Saying it is dangerous or not safe or not proven effective is ignorance. Fauci is big Pharma through and through. He wants a vaccine...period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
French doctor, Didier Raoult met with France’s Premier Emmanuel Macron last night to present a new paper that studied 1,061 COVID-19 patients that were treated early with hydroxchloroquine and azithromycin (z-pac). He found that those on this drug protocol met with 92% excellent outcomes (they were free of the virus within 10 days). He also found the drug protocol to be very safe for patients with low side effects, and that there was a correlation with the amount of hydroxychloroquine found in the blood and success rates.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...outed-by-trump
April 13Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
21,016 cases 884 deaths testing rate at 19.4%
2,134 hosp 461 on ventilators
Most prescription drugs would not qualify as safe by your standard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Most prescription drugs are not "safe" and that's why they are prescription drugs...which is why the evaluation process is important.Quote:
Originally Posted by detltu
Those that put 10 percent of the people in a “danger zone” for serious cardiac complications wouldn’t be. Is that most prescription drugs?Quote:
Originally Posted by detltu
Saying the opposite is just ignorance as well. If someone says it is safe for everyone I agree that is ignorance. It has known risks and unfortunately there is a large overlap of the conditions that put you at risk for COVID and at risk for complications from the drug. Proven is probably too strong a word for a legal discussion, but it has shown a lot of promise as an effective drug for this disease, particularly when combined with other things. There is still a lot of testing to be done and we will likely (hopefully) find much better drugs to combat the virus, but for now we are limited. That doesn't mean we should go full bore prescribing it to everyone, but until we have a better alternative it is our best bet. To imply otherwise is foolish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
There is a middle ground here like with anything. "Perfectly safe" and "Proven effective" are poor word choice and don't reflect reality. "Dangerous" and "unproven" are the other end of the spectrum. It is an established drug with known risks and side effects and has shown promise as a treatment. Doctors can prescribe it now and hopefully they are weighing the risks and prescribing it to those who might benefit.
Probably more than you realize.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp