The reporters on the scene confirm what you can see from any of the videos of the day - and there are many. No one was throwing stuff at the police.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadlin...202949717/amp/
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The reporters on the scene confirm what you can see from any of the videos of the day - and there are many. No one was throwing stuff at the police.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadlin...202949717/amp/
Churches and synagogues not allowed to gather for services and prayer. Businesses not permitted to open. But rioters and looters roam free to burn and break into those same facilities. We are living our Revelation right now.
You should read some church history if you think this is persecution.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Where are churches not allowed to reopen?Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Uh oh...Esper's about to be in the dog house!
Oh brother! 🤔 Are you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Nancy Pelosi Admits to MSNBC: ‘Maybe They Didn’t Have Tear Gas’Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...have-tear-gas/
One more time for those in the back:Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Both the president and his lackeys at certain media outlets want to make sure we're clear on that. You see, the truth is that Trump had police bombard a law-abiding crowd with a gaseous substance that produces tears.
You see the difference? Not really? It doesn't matter. We're talking about this right now, and that's what Trump boosters and predator-cop stans want. The more time people spend debating the difference between tear gas and "smoke canisters and pepper balls," the less focus on the fact that the Trump administration had peaceful citizens attacked so he could pretend on camera to be brave and religious.
This is the same tactic we've seen again and again from the Trump administration: deny, shift stories, and quibble over inane particulars.
Yes, just curious where they are still forced to be closed.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Not true. And the press conference at noon stated the same. There was zero tear gas and zero rubber bullets used. And the military chopper shown was a medical one with the Red Cross.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Don’t believe a word on CNN/MSNBC etc
Smoke canisters and pepper balls...on peaceful citizens lawfully assembling.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
All so Trump could play church for a few photos.
They were told to move out. They ignored the orders given by the Secret Service.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I'm sure you'd be lined up to defend Obama if he attacked citizens...:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
And, I don't know if Hannity is reporting this or not, so I'll let you know. Many of those interviewed said they never heard anything until the flash bombs went off.
Of course, it was Trump's Secret Service and they wanted to injure people.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Nobody was attacked. Once they ignored the orders they were breaking the law and no longer "innocent".
I'm sure the secret service told him his stunt was a stupid idea. But he and Ivanka thought their visual was more important. If they were no longer innocent, arrest them.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Sounds a lot like Trump's earlier admonition that we shouldn't be "too nice" to protestors.
Press briefing, heard what’s her name say that they made 3 announcements over loud speaker.
The only people I've seen speak about being upset about him displaying the Bible are RINO's who hate him and leftist who were offended by the Bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Sounds like you're only getting your news from Trump Humpers.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
This was a spur of the moment photo op and you guys are defending the President's attack on those who were lawfully assembled. Freedom of assembly...remember? Y'all have gone full blown statist!
An order that innocent people did not receive before they were assaulted. Watch the video.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Ya mean like obummer ordering drone strikes to murder Americans? Nope, sorry, you'll have to defend obummer by yourself on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
"Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside." - Gen Mattis
“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us," Mattis said.
"We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children."
They should have moved when they were told to move. Nobody assaulted or injured. Snowflake tears...
Is he infringing on your territory?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Who cares about the constitution when the orange man needs his pic taken right?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Oh look, Johnny is all of a sudden worried about the constitution. Just not when it comes to equal free speech. He's not too big on due process either.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
And he is so worried about the constitution he's even said he's not going to vote.
Hypocrite!
He was not fact checked. Twitter decided to join in as part of the thought police, which is not "fact checking". Just because you agree with most leftist thoughts does not make them the gospel.
"The victim President strikes again! Hahaha! What a snowflake!"
"I don't have a side anymore. I've never been a registered democrat and don't plan to be. In fact, I've never voted for a democrat in a national election...and I don't plan to."
"Just ask yourself a question Michael, would you ever hire Trump to work for you? A guy who has been accused of sexual assault some 25 times..."
Trump was never even censored! Just because you don't understand the law doesn't mean I'm a hypocrite. It just means you're wrong...You gotta be used to it by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
The constitution never says you have to vote Glen. Have you read it?
As usual, the point went right over your head. If you were so concerned about the constitution, and Trump's alleged abuse of it, you would be voting for his opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Nope. Lesser of two evils is how we got the imbecile we have now.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
Twitter is censoring conservatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/...ent-criminals/
They never censored Trump. I don’t click on Brierbart links. When a reputable organization breaks it, let me know. Of course, a man of your obvious constitutional knowledge will know that Twitter is under no obligation to allow users who violate their user policies to post. Those who’ve allegedly been censored have not had their 1st amendment protections revoked. I can say or write whatever I want. Brietbart doesn’t have to print it.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
If she wants to use their platform, maybe she should follow their policies about violent posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
But you had no problem with the Tweet I posted about burning down Trump Tower that Twitter allowed. It’s in one of these threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
“We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution.”
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Gen Mattis
I don’t remember ever condoning destruction of property.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
But surely you aren’t surprised that a statement about shooting SOMEONE is more likely to get flagged than a statement about burning SOMETHING. A statement about the prospect of killing someone is almost always going to get a zero tolerance response.
Another General, General Allen, had this to say about the disgraceful display:
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in a bid to create some appearance that he can empathize with those demonstrating peacefully in the streets, the president proclaimed himself the “ally of peaceful protesters.” But, at that very moment, just a few hundred feet away across Lafayette Park, fully equipped riot police and troops violently, and without provocation, set upon the peaceful demonstrators there, manhandling and beating many of them, employing flash-bangs, riot-control agents, and pepper spray throughout. These demonstrators had done nothing to warrant such an attack. Media who were watching over the scene craned their cameras to try to understand what had happened to justify this violence, until it became clear for all to see. The riot police had waded into these nonviolent American citizens—who were protesting massive social injustice—with the sole purpose of clearing the area around St. John’s Episcopal Church, on the other side of the park, so the self-proclaimed “ally of peaceful protesters,” Donald Trump, could pose there for a photo-op.
So it was AFTER Protestors/Rioters set the church on fire. And you DO NOT know for a fact that any of "these protesters" didn't set the church on fire the day before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Neither was the church burning the day before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
In America, there is no reason to presume that they were. They were being peaceful and lawful and then they were attacked with flashbangs, pellets and tear gas (OC and CS types). The crowd did not hear any warnings if they were given. That is shameful for whoever ordered the attack and those that carried it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
What possibly makes you think "protesters" would try to burn down the church on Monday, and then re-gather again at the same exact location on Tuesday, but apparently have no interest in trying to burn it down again? You're absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Not shameful at all. If the "protesters" don't like the action, they should stay home like you do. Nobody said "protesting" was easy. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
That’s a Texas sized dumb position. We have a process for criminals...it is not being attacked before they face a jury.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
The right was WAY better when it valued liberty.
Oh Johnny Lightweight....that's so silly, even for you. Did you see any criminals arrested for the church burning? If you did please communicate this to police. So, if the bad guys are still out there, do you think there's any chance they were in the "protester" crowed the next day?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
You can’t preemptively attack a group unprovoked because there’s a criminal on the loose “somewhere”.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Populism has made some of y’all talk dumber than a bag of rocks. Either that or time spent defending a jackass has turned you into one.
When’s the last time a church was burned in Louisiana? And why?
Serious question. Feel free to ask google.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loui...k_church_firesQuote:
Originally Posted by turbodawg
It is ironic that we see more posts about a church burning around here when it is the rare exception...churches are always being burnt by a white supremacists.
Always...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
More stupid stuff...
A Philly Eatery did a nice thing, made a wonderful gesture by offering a free lunch to police out on the streets, working hard to defend property against leftist thugs. What possibly could be wrong with that, and what possibly could go wrong? Well, in this nutso world, the Eatery was "attacked" (verbally and via social media) for daring to do something nice for police officers. So! the Eatery apologized for being "insensitive." Now, the local police union is calling for a boycott of the establishment. If this was a scene in a movie no one would believe it.
There is a twitter video of a man and his little daughter leaving Childreans hospital in Houston recently. He was parked on the street and there were "protests" going on outside. Well his little girl was terrified, you could see her face in the video. He puts his little girl in the car seat, and gets in his car surrounded by people. Then you can hear the rocks, and other items hitting his car and windows as the "peaceful protesters" were throwing items at his car with his little girl in the back seat..
Watched a segment on the today show this morning on how people could help the "small businesses" that were damaged as part of the riots. They talked about "shopping local", volunteering, and supporting them on social media. The first thought that came to my mind, and the Today show never mentioned it was, don't vandalize, loot, and set fire to the small businesses in the first place. :bomb:
Oh Minneapolis city council votes today on idea of defunding the police.
https://e.lvme.me/3ynnl35.jpg
Minny-appolis should fire that faggot mayor! Can I post "faggot?" If not, then substitute "homo" for it.
I have no sympathy for these libtard communities, like Minny-appolis. Such a wonderful leftist city in a leftist state! They deserve all the trouble and tribulations they get. I hope they do abolish the police department. Go ahead, do it. Oh, "defund"? What's that mean, exactly? Just abolish it! Make the announcement that Minny-appolis is a "free for all" no man's land. Just like that stretch of land in western Louisiana between Spanish Texas and French Louisiana where there was no civil authority. The town of Robeline got its name from "Robbers' Lane." Go for it! It'll be the ultimate Nirvana for libtards everywhere...no laws, no restrictions. Pack your bags, Goosey, head north young fellow! And take johnny and a few more of our resident libs with ya.
Minneapolis City Council members aim to 'dismantle' police department, 'rethink' public safety
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/min...-public-safety
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Unfortunate that all these public officials were dropped on their heads as children.
Man, that is a mouthful of assumptions you made,Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...Quote:
Originally Posted by stodgdog
Some interesting reading . https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myt...sm-11591119883
I can’t read the article, but noticed the author and can guess what she is saying. Needless to say - she doesn’t get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tech70
Heather McDonald definitely gets it. You just can’t handle it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Breaking News*** All members of the Buffalo PD Emergency Response Team resigns.. Buffalo Police Union states that the union would no longer provide legal support for any actions on behalf of its members during riots
https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/bu...1-e59da88fb93a
I expect Buffalo to be very dangerous this weekend.
No she doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
The new plaza looks good.
“Executing orders” is an awful excuse for what they did to that old man.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
Whoop. Park police now admit that they DID use tear gas.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bus...s-2020-6%3famp
Good for the NFL and Goodell for admitting they were wrong.
He did. He even droned one. And of course his policies killed millions of American babies.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
The future of crime response.. hilarious..
quote:
I’m not gonna lie, this isn’t exactly what I expected — lying here in the hospital. I mean, it’s only a few broken bones, a punctured lung, and some stitches to the head, but I almost feel betrayed. Three weeks ago when I took the five-hour online course to become an unarmed rapid response social worker, I thought I was helping mankind. After all, with the police abolished, somebody had to be there to mitigate when people had inevitable disagreements.quote:
I told him that as a white cis man, I could never know the trauma the Spanish-speaking people suffered under white genocidal maniacs like Cortez, and while his desire to rob the bank was understandable, even laudable, we have collectively decided not to support such actions, and resources were available to him. That’s when he hit me in the head with the butt of his gun; I think it was the butt of his gun, anyway.quote:
The next day went remarkably better. I was called to a gang fight that was about to get very heated. No guns this time, just knives and brass knuckles. I suggested we all sit in a circle and use a feelings chart to determine what had brought us all to that place. I did not, of course, suggest that why I was there was for some inherently better or more virtuous purpose, and I think they really got it! They stopped fighting each other and stole my wallet, instead. Progress
Rest of it is here for your reading enjoyment
https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/05...ed-the-police/
Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
I'm sure you'd be lined up to defend Obama if he attacked citizens...And Obama and Pelosi killed tens of thousands with their lying arse Obamacare.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
I know three personally myself.
You didn’t defend him and you shouldn’t defend Trump for his illegal attack in peaceful protestors. And yes, they DID use tear gas it turns out.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Read Acts 17 this morning. Riots are nothing new. They are simply the response of people who hear the truth or already know the truth, but the only response they can muster is a childish action that proves they can’t respond appropriately.
Noted that you think the sequence of events leading to the founding of America were childish. As were the sequence of events leading to every amendment providing equal protection.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Don’t forget the first few verses. Paul came in and told the establishment or dominant party that they had missed it. They had to rethink everything they had previously understood.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
The protesters are saying that the dominant culture has a big blind spot. We’d do well to listen.
Interesting that you're using the bible to promote your political agenda. Similar to standing in front of a church and holding up a bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
It's not a political agenda, it's a biblical agenda. Had Trump ever cracked the New Testament, he'd know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
But it's not just biblical, it's constitutional.
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Thank you for proving the point. The establishment, i.e. career politicians on the democrat side who have been there 40 years promising all along to help the less fortunate while crippling them need to be put out to pasture.
You think the dems are the only establishment? I have no interest in defending the the DNC's positions/politics on race. I think, if you were to talk to some of these protesters, as I have, you'll find there's a LOT of anger at the left as well as the right. I think it's convenient for the populist media (of both brands) to paint this is purely political. It's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
They are not the only establishment. But they are the ones claiming to be caring and helping by giving away free stuff and it hasn’t worked. There are plenty of things to blame on conservatives too. I agree with you that both sides fall well short of having our best interest in mind.
The goal of ending systemic racism does not have to be a political issue. Republicans that line up against the protests are doing their own brand a disservice. Go out and support the black lives matter movement. The movement is big enough for all (except those that don’t want to see progress).
BS. There aren’t any conservatives that have lined up and protested and yelling in the streets, marching, looting, setting fires or murdering BLM or Antifa members for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
They’re not about to show their approval of the methods and damage done to the black neighborhoods ,small businesses and families the last 10 days. If some of you guys have that bad of “white privileged guilt“ then have at it. I give to and personally help specific organizations and missions by putting my pocketbook and sweat where my mouth is on this topic.
Peaceful protestors aren’t condoning those that aren’t peaceful. It is disingenuous and intentionally divisive for Republicans to make that association. It is a loser argument that makes the GOP less relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
This is from Malcolm X 50 years agoquote:This is how white liberals view black voters...
The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn't taken, tricked or deceived by the white liberal, then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America, the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white man."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JGm...ature=youtu.be
You and Magoo are obviously watch the same news. He already posted this. What did X say about white conservatives?Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
If you agree with X, you are endorsing the logic he used to support that statement, which is essentially the white conservative is the devil in the open and the white liberal is the devil in disguise (though X uses the analogy of the wolf).
Again BS! Marching does zero now. The point and points have been made. And the cats out of the bag per the violent leftist groups and the worthless Democrat spew or lack thereof even. Put your real money, heart and sweat where your mouth is! Trump has done more in 31/2 years for the blacks and minorities then Obama, Hillary, Biden and Pelosi combined.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Wake up. It isn’t about making a point. It is about forcing change. The point has been made many times before but then ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Ah....So you trying to make points on here is useless your saying? And you are pro- force and pro-violence to get your way I see. Your above;Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
“ It is about forcing change.”
Why didn’t you do this during the Obama /Biden/Hillary nightmare and worthless pandering of minorities?Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Like I stated above;
Marching does zero now. The point and points have been made. And the cats out of the bag per the violent leftist groups and the worthless Democrat spew or lack thereof even. Put your real money, heart and sweat where your mouth is! Trump has done more in 31/2 years for the blacks and minorities then Obama, Hillary, Biden and Pelosi combined.
Truth! if this is about something bigger than George Floyd, as is the excuse given, then why weren't all these people out spreading the very dangerous C-19 virus prior to Floyd's death? Are we to believe all these self-righteous azzholes were just waiting for the Floyd incident?
Like...last fall, say, October 2019...hey! how are race relations in the US? Terrible! Oh...well, are white cops treating blacks okay? No way! things are horrible here! The worst in the whole wide world! Oh, man...sorry to hear that. Then you should all go out and protest...and steal some TVs from Target's too. We can't! Why not? We have to wait for George Floyd to be killed in a few months then we'll go out and protest this evil country...and steal a few TVs too.
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
How does Romans 13 factor into all this anti-government rhetoric? I've struggled with it long before I found out I was a systemic racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Romans 13 is anti-riot (like the vast majority of protesters) and pro-legal protest. It may, however, be anti American Revolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.
The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these.
Time to shine, Christians.
Get out there, love your neighbor. We are commanded to do so.
Listen and hear what they have to say. And show them compassion and love.
Those words speak to these times.
Exactly my thought and concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I've always been taught and believed that God's word has to be taken in context, but Romans 13 has still bothered me. I don't believe God meant for Christians to blindly follow government leadership if it means going against Christian tenets. I know the only litmus test of Christianity is also stated though out Romans and summed up in John 3:16.
Do you believe that those of us who are labeled systemic racists have roots that go back to the founding of our nation? At what point would a person who has been redeemed from systemic racism have been cleansed?
Systemic racism isn’t a quality of a person, it is a quality of society.
It’s more of an Ephesians 6:12 sort of thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
I read it as Paul advising the Church in Rome on how not to get themselves killed. Pay taxes, respect authority.....It’s similar to the response Jesus gave in Matthew 22:21.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Then solving the perceived problem is hopeless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
...which is why it is a hopeless struggle in this world.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Certainly could be considering where Paul was when he wrote it, but we can't get caught up in Romans 13 being the word of Paul. It is the word of God.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle2180
The authorities were trying to trap Jesus. Like many other times he shushed them.
That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try to keep moving the ball forward...Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Not hopeless at all! It’s the “struggle” Paul is encouraging the Christians to take up.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
I thought this was a great piece from a conservative and a Christian: https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/...ve-got-so-very
So you have a special list of things that make you indignant?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Now we are talking about two different things and back to focusing on PERCEIVED issue that can NEVER be solved.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Paul's reference in Ephesians is regarding the world and that Satan will always be after us. It is indeed hopeless from a world prospective, but not from a Christian perspective. This perceived issue is hopeless and much like our globalists who post here, will continue to exist for however long the world lasts until the fossil fuels destroy it.