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The story is dated three days ago and suggests that it has already been anounced??????Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
Seems like junk.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,1326764.story
Looks like things have slowed down. I believe Delany knows exactly who he wants, but when he met with his presidents at the AAU meeting, they were in favor of putting on the brakes.
A few of them probably didn't like the recommended choices. If this doesn't happen until later this year or early next year, it will give some of the presidents time to lobby for one school or another.
The SEC is not going to take a Big 11 expansion lying down...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...nnbin&hpt=Sbin
...and some other tidbits:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...html?eref=sihp
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,3292846.story
More from the Chicago Tribune. It's pretty clear from the quotes in this story that all of the other leagues want the Big 10 to act as soon as possible.
Given this latest round of stories, I wanted to follow-up on this post. It's pretty clear there is a very real possibility the Big 12 is going to go away. In just a few years, the Texas/Texas A&M combo will either be a part of an expanded SEC or an expanded Pac 10. It's also clear that other Big 12 schools would almost certainly be part of the package - a new western division of the SEC or eastern division of the Pac 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian
My best guess is that it will be the Pac 10. I have to agree with Don on this, if the money can be worked out, why would Texas want to deal with the competitive level it would face in the SEC.
Nebraska and Missouri are not going to wait around for that possibility. The Big 10 will expand in two phases, but these two schools will likely be in phase 1 when the league goes to 14 teams. If Notre Dame has likely turned them down (as the Chicago Tribune reported), they will leave spots open for a second phase of expansion at some point down the road.
The remaining schools in the Big 12, likely Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas, and perhaps one or two others, will fold into the Mountain West. It will then become an AQ league. The remaining Big 12 schools will not expand, because they will have no real assurances they will have their AQ bid long-term. It will be easier to fold into the Mountain West, because that would almost guarantee that league would receive a bid and be able to hold it.
Throughout this process, Tech's concern will be if the ACC expands and kills Big East football, closing the door on Big East expansion and thus CUSA expansion. As I have previously stated in this thread, it will be much better for Tech if expansion happens in phases and Big East football survives the first phase.
This is the most informative article I've read on the topic. Sounds to me like the Big 10 could expand in phases in such a way that it would put the BE on life-support. Once the BE gets to be one school away from non-AQ status, the Big 10 could take that school (WVU? Pitt?) and get Notre Dame as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by hookdown
A proactive Big East?
http://www.boston.com/sports/college...:colleges-blog
Not hard to find interesting conference expansion articles these days:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/co...e_on_east.html
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/spo...ore-teams.html
Looks like it will boil down to who secures the largest television markets first. No surprise that money will be the driving force, but who will be the first to secure a deal. Proactive = doing the deal early and getting/keeping what you want.:laugh:
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Originally Posted by maddawg
Exactly!!!!
That is why it would not surprise me to see the SEC try to beat the Big 11 to the punch and add FSU, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Texas, A&M, OU, OSU, or TCU (pick 4 :icon_wink:). Let's say they did pick up FSU, Miami, Texas, and A&M (or even OU), they could go out and probably get a 25-50% increase in their TV dollars right away, maybe even double it. Sure there would be issues, but I am sure that counting all those new $$$ coming in would ease the pain. Plus it would proactively kick all the other AQ conferences right where it hurts. The SEC picks up glamour teams and prevents the others from doing the same.
I think the SEC will expand into the Texas market. They already have the Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina markets. If they got Texas and A&M, almost the entire state of Texas would start watching SEC football. Least that's what I would do...
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Originally Posted by DawgFight71
TCU back in. Who else? Houston maybe.
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Originally Posted by maddawg
BYU & New Mexico
If the Big 12 does manage to survive, it would likely be with 7 teams. It will almost certainly lose five schools: Texas (Pac 10 or SEC); Texas A&M (Pac 10 or SEC); Nebraska (Big 10); Missouri (Big 10); and Colorado (Pac 10).Quote:
Originally Posted by hookdown
If it does survive, the Big 12 would damage the Mountain West to a point where any hope of an AQ bid goes out the window. If Utah also ends up in the Pac 10, in my opinion, the most likely replacement candidates for the Big 12 are:
TCU
Houston
Memphis
New Mexico
BYU (no Sunday events would hurt their bid but might not be a deal breaker)
Memphis' first option, over Big East membership, is the Big 12, even a weakened Big 12. SMU might be possible, as well, but it is clear TCU prefers not to be in the same conference with the Ponies.
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Originally Posted by hookdown
When Mike Slive talks SEC expansion, I think he's talking about Texas and Texas A&M. They add real value. Those two schools together are probably worth the 25% to 50% increase in TV dollars. No other combination of schools can give the SEC that boost.
The problems the ACC is having in its current TV negotiations point out the fact their schools just don't deliver national type TV numbers, even FSU and Miami. That was surprising to me. In fact, if the SEC cannot get Texas and Texas A&M, they would probably stay pat.
I'm hearing that all 66 AQ teams are going to combine into one mega-conference. Those on the east side of the Mississippi River will be the Big 66 East and those on the west side of the Mississippi will be the Big 66 West. The winner of each division will play each other for the national championship at a 500,000 seat stadium that will be built in the Bahamas using part of the TV revenue. Each of the 66 teams will be guaranteed 200 million per year in television money. So far none of the schools have figured out what they're going to do with all the extra money but one athletic director has said he has come up with the unique idea of giving some of the money to academics, but, another said he did not think that would pass a vote with the athletic directors and football coaches at their annual meeting in Greece where they have built a mega resort after paying off Greece's national debt. Another AD came up with the idea of buying the NFL and turning it into a farm club for the 66 AQ teams.
Why give them any ideas?:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
For a little perspective on how hard it is to see where things are going sometimes, check out this 1991 article from SI.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...40/1/index.htm
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They must be having some second thoughts in State College about the wisdom of joining the Big Ten instead of waiting for the Big East.
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Louisville coach Howard Schnellenberger disagrees [about Notre Dame being the only school that can make it as an indy]. He points out that if his team can sustain the success it enjoyed last season (10-1-1), it will have a strong chance every year of getting one of the three at-large berths in the new bowl alliance.
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The age of the superconference is not far off.
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Of these, the most vulnerable is the developing partnership between the Big Eight and the SWC, which are exploring what SWC commissioner Fred Jacoby calls "more of an alliance than a merger."
:laugh: You need to put the crack pipe down. Texas schools in the Pac 10? Are you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian
Surely you know that most Texans detest Californians, and anything Californian? Furthermore, it's no small plane ride from College Station, TX to Seattle WA, Pullman WA, Eugene, OR or Corvallis, OR.
LA Tech is in a far flung conference because it HAS to be. UT & TX A&M don't HAVE to be.
There's simply no reason for UT or A&M to join the PAC 10. That's absurd. Besdies, the PAC 10 has been a "trailer" in all things expansion, not a leader.
If the SEC expands to a 16 team Super Conference, they'll likely shoot for UT, A&M, and Oklahoma. The last spot will go to either Texas Tech or Ok St, with the state of Texas legislature REQUIRING the SEC to take Texas Tech if they want the other two Texas schools at all. As you may know, there is precedent for the Texas legislature using this type of leverage before, namely when the Big XII was established.
HD
I rarely agree with HogDawg, but he is correct in this. Texas is not going to the PAC 10.
Texas can and will take Oklahoma with them. They will probably request that Texas A&M go also. Most likely Texas will remain in the Big 12. They are one of two schools in the drivers seat in the Big 12. Why lose that power?
The PAC 10 might pick off Colorado. The Big 10 will most likely not pick Missouri or Nebraska. They want TV sets. They are looking east.
If the PAC 10 picks off Colorado then the Big 12 will decide if they want to pick 1 team and move back to 12, or go bigger.
If the Big 10 goes to 16 (which I doubt) and the SEC and Big 12 follow suit, things will get very interesting.
SEC would most likely add schools in the east also. Miami, Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina, Georgia Tech? Who knows. But the Big East and ACC cannot match the money the SEC has to spend.
Big 12 will look at Arkansas, and probably talk to several MWC schools. If they really want to make a splash, they try to poach Arizona and Arizona State.
At some point all this becomes conjecture, but the Big East, ACC and MWC are probably going to lose members to the Big 4 conferences. After that, who knows.
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Originally Posted by The Historian
I agree about the Texas schools, but I think they look to Florida State and Miami if the Texas schools turn them down or they go to 16.
[quote=HogDawg;913138]:laugh: You need to put the crack pipe down. Texas schools in the Pac 10? Are you serious?
It does do crazy things to you. I know first hand. I woke up one morning a few months ago convinced the Saints had won the SuperBowl.:D
Why the Pac 10? It could just as easily be the SEC, but the Pac 10 will eventually have a couple of things going for it. It would likely give Texas a larger piece of the TV pie, and I'm not convinced the SEC would agree to that type of deal. And Mack Brown/Will Muschamp will not have to deal with coaches like Urban Meyer and Nick Saban to try to get to a national championship game.
A couple of years ago, I was convinced the Pac 10 would never expand. Their presidents were too dead set against it. I think they will let their consultants and the networks involved handle it at this point. The money will be too overwhelming.
A California/Texas combination would likely bring a TV bidding war between News Corp and Comcast, which now owns NBC and its family of networks. Texas' part of any deal might exceed even what Big 10 teams will be pulling each year.
Besides, we're talking about people living in Austin. When it comes to California, some of them would fit right in.
Some more expansion musings (since we have not talked about this for just over 24 hours... :icon_wink:):
http://www.studentprintz.com/usm-to-...ppen-1.1163856
http://www.ncaastrategies.com/utopia...ad.php?t=68131
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ter...speculati.html
http://www.garnetandblackattack.com/...sion-how-about
http://www.footballrumormill.com/201...of-realigment/
http://elitistjerksports.com/?p=7076
More talk coming out of the SEC. I wonder if some of this is trying to imtimidate the Big 11 into not expanding past 12 (or maybe at all).
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5138055
So maybe ND does not join the Big 11 after all. I figure that if they do not, then they fade out of the national picture for good. They seem dead set on maintaining their independence, even if it kills their program. And by the time they figure out that the Big East is going to be drawn and quartered in this round, it will be too late for them to do anything about it.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...html?eref=sihp
I wouldn't be surprised to see Villanova and/or Notre Dame both playing Big East football in a few years. If they lose Pitt, Syracuse, and UConn (the teams I'd take if I were Big Ten) that may create too much instability in the Big East basketball schools. Villanova moving up to football and Notre Dame finally deciding to become a full member of the Big East might do enough to keep the basketball members happy. If that is the case they can add Memphis and ECU from CUSA and be a 9 football team, 14 basketball team conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by hookdown
ND will turn down the Big 10 and opt for full membership in the Big East? I don't think they are that stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice752
I'm not saying they will turn down the Big Ten for the Big East. I think they will turn down the Big Ten and ultimately have to make the choice to save the Big East (and their basketball conference). I'm not saying they will. Just saying I can see them doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by brtransplant
Rumor mill cranking up about Missouri then 4 other schools to the Big 10.
http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/92447574.html
Missouri followed by Syracuse, Rutgers, Pitt, and Nebraska?
Wonder how good their sources are.
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Originally Posted by DawgFight71
Probably as good as any of the rest of them at this point. That is, nobody knows anything with certainty at this point. If the Big 11 expands by 5, then watch out, the college football world as we know it will cease to exist.
So if this latest is correct, who does the SEC try to pick up? Most likely candidates in my book are Texas, A&M, OU, OSU, Miami, FSU, Georgia Tech, Clemson. Obviously the Texas/Oklahoma parlay would bring in the most new money and fans for the SEC. Would the ACC then go after West Virginia, Lousiville, Cincinnati, and South Florida to pick up the slack? That effectively destroys the Big East as a football entity. That would certainly leave ND looking pretty...NOT! Of course The PAC 10 picks up Utah and Colorado at a minimum. I wonder if they go for at least a couple of more to even things up? That would leave the remaining members of the Big 12, MWC, WAC, and CUSA to realign into two new major conferences with the rejects being shuffled off into the Sun Belt or perhaps forming their own minor conference.
Johnny:
Thanks for the link. Interesting quote from Nebraska's AD:
"Last week, I asked Perlman if NU had contacted the Big Ten or any conference about joining. His response: “I'm not going to comment on that.'' You can take that two ways: Perlman has contacted the Big Ten or he's trying to throw up a smoke screen. My take: He's let the Big Ten know that the Big Red can be had.
Perlman added, “When you look at the possibility of Missouri or Colorado or the Texas schools leaving one day, Nebraska would be vulnerable. We have to be proactive in this and take care of our position. And we are.''
$15 million increase MINIMUM annually on ROI....Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian
I wouldn't call that being "had" as much as I would call it fiscal responsibility with my shareholders "fans" investment
I like this guy -
If you couple what the Nebraska AD is saying with the report from WNDU in South Bend, it would lead you to believe the deal has likely already been cut. Nebraska, Missouri, Rutgers, Pitt, and Syracuse to the Big 10.
WNDU cited a source in St. Louis, but they also had a face-to-face interview with Notre Dame's AD. It would have been easy for them to confirm their story with him off-the-record.
The Big 10 AD's meet later this month. That will be interesting.
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Originally Posted by The Historian
So the Big East is left with: UCONN, WVU, Louisville, Cincy, USF. (WVu just got screwed!)
Assuming the SEC stays pat, does the Big East add ECU, UCF, and Memphis and stay with 8 for football? Do they add a Temple or Marshall and drop one of the bball schools?
Does the Big 12 stay with 10? Does Colorado get picked off by the PAC 10? Who are their top candidates: Arkansas, BYU, TCU, New Mexico, Houston?
What will be left in CUSA? This is most important for us:
SMU, Rice, Tulsa, UTEP, Tulane, USM, UAB at the very least I think will stay. Houston and Marshall are likely to stay. THat would be 9. Would they add us first? What about MTSU? Do they go with 9 only? or ten?
I dont think you will see a mass merger of CUSA and Sunbelt because of the number of schools. CUSA will start in TX and move east, while the Belt will start in Florida/Alabama and move west.
CUSA:
Tulsa
UTEP
SMU
Rice
Tulane
USM
UAB
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Houston
Marshall
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Louisiana Tech?
Middle Tennesee?
Western Kentucky or ULL?
Sunbelt:
Fla Int
Fla Atl
Troy
USA
ULM
ASU
UNT
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MTSU stays?
WKU stays?
ULL stays?
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UTSA?
Texas St?
Because none of you have anything better to do today, here are your reading assignments... :icon_wink:
http://collegesportsinfo.com/confere...lignment-grid/ (Kind of a weird site, some good data and some old and not so good data)
http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/201...2&xid=si_ncaaf
http://www.maizenbrew.com/2010/5/5/1...st-save-itself
http://www.startribune.com/sports/go...D3aPc:_Yyc:aUU
http://southcarolina.scout.com/2/967658.html (Part I)
http://southcarolina.scout.com/2/967920.html (Part II)
http://southcarolina.scout.com/2/968203.html (Part III)
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...e-realignments
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...rols+UC+s+fate
http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2010/5...oad-conference
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100...Ten-is-unknown
how do we compare to MTSU? What about Troy or the Florida belt schools? we have to separate (or further separate) ourselves in some way from these schools IF a CUSA spots opens up.
looking back a few years when CUSA chose UTEP, its pretty easy to see why we were passed over. we still have a long, long way to go in terms of budget, facilities, support, etc., but we made significant strides since the last conf. realignment.
Go big or go home.....
http://www.freep.com/article/2010050...r-more-schools
And this is how you gain the attention of an AQ conference:
http://ucf.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1081321
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Originally Posted by hookdown
Wonder is Florida is making any state budget cuts?
Assuming it came down to these schools and only one was selected...Quote:
Originally Posted by 1L_dawg
Middle is our major competition. They have the market we can't come close to. I'd say we are close on commitment and facilities.
I've never been too concerned about Troy being picked over us. Could be wrong.
I don't think any of the western teams would be in favor of adding more Florida teams. Especially if UCF leaves.
Western Kentucky could get a look, but I think ULL has a better shot than them.
Re: UTEP...we assumed we were next in line. We did NOTHING from the time we entered the WAC to the time UTEP was chosen. I've said it many times, but CUSA wanted anybody but us. Their selection of UTEP proved that. It was bad move.
Problem with Middle's market is that Vandy and Tenn already own it...
UTSA is greater competition than MTSU because of market. Tech is in the driver's seat if we'll drive the d^^^ car!!!! Has anyone noticed that there is no one "point man" in our pursuit of conference affiliation?; that there is no person that clearly comes to mind as leading the charge? There is reason to be concerned that Rip Van Winkle has once again fallen asleep at the wheel!!!!
UTSA isn't competition at a time went it hasn't even played a single football game. If these conference moves were happening effective in 2013, then maybe. But UTSA's timeline is not to be FBS until 2014. Hard to see a 12-team conference taking UTSA in with football being in lame duck status until its third year of membership because of what that would mean regarding a conference championship game.Quote:
Originally Posted by LookingForResults
Same goes for South Alabama in 2012 with its timeline being FBS in 2013.
Your argument seems logical, but it's rumored that it's not currently playing out that way. MTSU is in consideration and might prevail, but at this time UTSA is in first position between the two (but behind us if we don't falter and stumble, which, unfortunately, could happen).Quote:
Originally Posted by RealityCheck
If you're right (and I don't have any reason to doubt you), BB must either be sure that the timeline isn't in the next 12-18 months OR okay with less than 12 teams in his league.Quote:
Originally Posted by LookingForResults
The raiding parties are expected to begin in the next very few months so I would suspect that he's either ok with less than 12 for a while, believes that temporary plug-ins will be available, or will take 12 eligible teams now and expand beyond that number when UTSA is qualified. But who knows, there may be a myriad of possibilities beyond these. This is all so without precedent and is so fluid I imagine it is speculative for everyone including BB. Thank you for your willingness to attribute a measured amount of validity to my comments, but please remember that in this environment alliances and assurances are changing daily so what is valid today may not be so tomorrow. If, or when, I have information that can be shared, I will offer updates. Hopefully, others will do likewise so that this Board can be prepared to assist in some coordinated fashion if the opportunity is presented.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I thought I read a post a while back where Davison was leading the charge. I was concerned with the realignment looming and the potential changes in boards etc in La. schools if he could handle all the potential moves that could occur between both events. Apparently he has the ability to multitask.Quote:
Originally Posted by LookingForResults
I think what is best for Tech is if the far eastern CUSA teams take off (Big East and maybe Marshall back to the MAC) and BB needs 2-4 teams immediately (in place by the end of the summer...invitations offered and accepted). I'd rather be competing with ASU and ULL for the 3rd or 4th spot than with MTSU/WKU/UTSA for the 1st or 2nd spot. I think if the far east schools take off, the remaining schools are going to be MUCH more willing to move the conference to the SW. Definitely better for us if the first round leaves the BE and the B12 in-tact. Let the SEC expand AFTER we've got a spot in CUSA.
There so many potential variables in this realignment that it will be very difficult to keep track of all the potential moves and what the consequences could be for each move. I'm hoping that there is some subspace chatter/agreements amongst various realignment participants that will add some sanity to the decision process.
I think that is on raising the money for the endzone project -Quote:
Originally Posted by WWDog
What LFR is speaking about is totally different -
We basically need someone "buggin" the folks 24/7 letting them know what we are doing and what we are willing to do to be the ONE....
We have no leader at this point in that role -
That's my point. He may be or he may not; no one knows for sure. But if the public part of this effort was being well handled, it would be clear who that point man is and generally where we are in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by WWDog
We have a guy that should be doing it now and he is called the AD... I guess we will see if Bruce can step up
Exactly. You said it better than me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
Living here in San Antonio not 5 miles form UTSA, I have a hard time believing tha tof us in any potential realignment. They may have a large student population in a large market but the school does not have any support for its basketball team now much less when they get a football team. I've been to a couple of their games when TECH has played down here and high schools have a far larger crowd than what I saw. The school has no unity or spirit. It is a complete commuter school.
Partially, but the AD must primarily be working out of the public eye if he is to succeed. His conversations must be very confidential and the parties with whom he is speaking must be confident that their conversations will not be in tomorrow's newspapers.Quote:
Originally Posted by okiealdawg
I need a job over the summer. Think BVD would want me to be the point man? I'll work cheap so long as I get to live in my old room in Neilson and I get a meal plan.
I'm not advocating them as a good choice, but CUSA has long been focused on large markets. I, like you, question the vehicles they try to ride to capture those markets.Quote:
Originally Posted by WWDog
Your salary requirements seem appropriate for the job you'd probably perform!:laugh::laugh::laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Yep...when BB looks at things, he's thinking about his TV contract. San Antonio is a great one. HE has to make the sale to the TV contractors. It doesn't really matter whether or not their are folks in the stands...Quote:
Originally Posted by LookingForResults
That's why they also seem to really love UNCC.
Like I said, we need this to happen QUICK.
So LFR, we don't have anyone in the public eye handling the situation for realignment yet you say the guy who should be handling it must be confidential. Might we have someone working on it and in particular the individual who should be working it. We just aren't privy to what is being done! Does anybody, "in the know", know enough to say all is well? Man I can't believe I just said that. I tend to not believe anyone who comes on this board and claims they have insider information.
I don't know of anyone who has delved into the subject more than you johnny. At least on the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I'm an incredibly valuable member of the athletic department...Quote:
Originally Posted by WWDog
on the internet...:icon_wink:
So how does one keep up with all the potential conclusions, moves that could bring about those conclusions, and the probabilities of each of those moves bringing about the desired results. There would need to be some great intelligence of the playing field and significant strategy going on.
Ideally there should be a confidential and a public element to the realignment effort, which must necessarily be handled by two different people. I believe the confidential element is being reasonably well handled, but encouragement from members of this Board to Dr. Reneau to exert every possible effort to secure membership in a respectable and viable conference may be very important to the success of the effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by WWDog
What is currently lacking is the public persona, the "face" if you will, of Tech's effort and determination to secure that conference membership. That person should be keeping Tech in the media, keeping supporters excited and mobilized and daily working to provide that intangible impression that Tech is an attractive candidate for conference membership.
That's a good point and I hate to say it but I really believe that if Dooley was still at Tech we would have already broken ground on the endzone facility... Time is ticking and we can't even get public pics of the improvements out yet. I hope Bruce has the balls to push things like Dooley did.
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Originally Posted by okiealdawg
I think the lack of public pictures is part of a "roll-out" of a public fund raising campaign. A significant amount of money has been raised behind the scenes and that effort is continuing. And I'm pretty sure the startup of the public campaign is tied to our efforts to secure our position with conference realignment.Quote:
Originally Posted by okiealdawg
The admin is not twiddling their thumbs.
Good to hear. We already know what the thumb twiddling will get us.Quote:
Originally Posted by tenacious_dog
Concern is mounting.Quote:
Originally Posted by tenacious_dog
You'd expose your family to Neilson bathrooms? Make sure Uncle Dr. Joe gives them their shots first.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Today's reading assignment (focusing on the Big 12, ACC, and SEC):
http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2...omon051210.txt (good summary of why the BE is a dead man walking)
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/05/11...ready-for.html
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/05/11...oncerning.html
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...pring-meetings
http://www.starnewsonline.com/articl...ly-two-choices
http://weblogs.dailypress.com/sports...ty_for_ac.html
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...g-10-expansion
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...tial-sec-picks
The rich get richer....maybe...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,2936879.story
This quote from the Tribune story tells the story best and is the reason why Nebraska and Missouri are gone from the Big 12.
"If the Big Ten expands and chooses the right schools, conference officials have seen estimates of television revenues doubling by 2015-16."
Look at where the numbers are now for the Big 10 and where they could be in five years. This is also the reason why the SEC will certainly approach UT, A&M, OU, and OSU in the coming weeks. Think of how much more valuable their deal with ESPN would become - both to their league and ESPN.
As awesome as the TV SEC deal is just think if they added the Houston, Austin, San Antonio, Dallas-Ft.Worth, Tulsa and Oklahoma City markets??? They could actually demand even MORE money.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian
Oh and if this happens could Texas Tech end up in the MWC??? That could also push the MWC closer to BCS status.
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Originally Posted by Bigdog13
I cannot see TT moving to the MWC. I think it more likely that they stay in a much revised Big 12 or a new SWC, along with some current members of the MWC.
IF and I realize this is a big if, Nebraska, OU, OSU, Mizzou, Texas, Texas A&M and Colorado are no longer there I think they would bolt to the strongest conference and that would definitely be the MWC over the remnants of the Big12. Plus Texas Tech is kind of in their geographic footprint.Quote:
Originally Posted by hookdown
I am more inclined to think the Big12 doesn't get raided to that big of an extent but if you were given the choice of joining TCU/BYU/Boise OR Iowa St/Kansas/Kansas St. you might join the MWC.
Texas has no reason to join the SEC. They made more money last year than any other school. Why would they want to help the SEC teams make more money. There is no advantage for them to go to Louisiana or Arkansas or Mississippi to play. I think LSU and Arkansas would be more likely to join the Big 12. That would give them an edge in recruiting in Texas. I just don't see Texas with their big ego, bowing down to the SEC. If the SEC expands it will be with teams out of the ACC. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big 12 go after Arkansas and LSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian
I didn't say Texas would join the SEC. What I said was the SEC would certainly approach them about joining. That's going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
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Originally Posted by Bigdog13
My thought was that the Big 12 is basically destroyed, but they raid the MWC for BYU, TCU, and New Mexico to go along with the five remaining Big 12 members (plus a few from CUSA as well).
Texas makes more money than any athletic program in the country. Yes including the SEC schools. If the Big12 goes down in flames, and I were Texas I would pull a Notre Dame and see if I could get a TV deal and go Indy. I wouldn't do it necessarily but I would definitely research, explore and consider the idea.
If Texas was to go independent in football, what conference would they play in for other sports if the Big XII went down.
Texas is not going independent and the Big 12 is not going down. You boys need to lay off that SEC kool-aid.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgFight71
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Originally Posted by DONW
Eh, we know that it's not likely. But it's the offseason.
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Originally Posted by DONW
It will be really interesting to see if Ark. makes the jump to the Big 12. All the talk shows up here are saying they are better off in the SEC, but that's the SEC ego talking. If they use their brain they could see that not only do they renew great rivalrys with the schools in Texas, and increase their recruiting presence in Texas, but they will also have great rivalrys with OU and OSU which are schools within driving distance of their campus. OSU is less than 3 hours from Fayetteville and OU is only 4 hours. This definitely beats playing Ole Miss and Missippi State. Kansas and Kansas State are not that far either if you live in NW Ark. Arkansas would go from sittng on the fringe of the SEC to right smack in the middle of the Big 12.
It's not the ego Don, it's the money. The Arkansas gets an "even" share in the SEC that they would NOT get in the Big 12. It might make recruiting sense for Arkansas to go back to the Big 12, but it doesn't make financial sense.
Lay off the Kool-Aid, Johnny.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
If only one team leaves the Big 12, the likelihood of Ark. receiving an invitation to join the Big 12 increases by restoring 12 teams in the conference. If two teams leave, I think it more likely that the Big 12 would stay at 10 teams because no strong case can be made for any other team besides Arkansas.
There is no kool-aid Don, just dollars and cents. Producing like Arkansas has produced in the SEC would earn them FAR less money in the Big 12. The big 12 doesn't have equitable sharing, while the SEC does. The SEC is second only to the Big 10 in terms of generating revenue for their member institutions. That's not kool-aid, that's a fact. Sure, Texas doesn't need the SEC to rake in the Big Bucks, but Arkansas is no Texas.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I don't know why this is so hard for you to get Don. Recruiting is great but its not worth giving up the money for. I don't think it is a slam dunk that Texas would leave for the SEC but it is definately not a slam dunk that Arkansas leaves for the Big 12.
Arkansas doesn't need the money. They have the best athletic facilities in the country. I remember going to the state high school indoor track meet when my son was in high school back around 1995 that was held in the UAF indoor faciliy which was a world class facility at the time. About 5 years later they built a new one. The last expansion on their football stadium took it from 52,000 to 72,000 at a cost of 120 million. Their baseball park is on the same level as the Travelers park that we played in this past tuesday and seats 8,000. None of their facilities need updating because they're not that old, but, they're going to build a new fieldhoue just because they can. None of the schools in the Big 6 conferences lack for anything in athletics. So, why does everybody keep saying these schools need more money. If you have all the money you need and you have a chance to be in an equal conference that gives you a better chance of winning a championship, you make the move.Quote:
Originally Posted by detltu
Actually I hope they stay in the SEC and they keep the openings in the Big 12. That gives us something to shoot for.
Check Ark football budget to Michigan's, Texas or Ohio State's and then throw in alittle thing called Title IXQuote:
Originally Posted by DONW
Everyone needs the extra money....
I don't recall anyone saying they "need" more money. The contention is that there is more money to be had in the SEC. College athletics is a business...the more you make, the better off you are. They know this all too well at UA.
No way they leave the SEC for the Big 12 (minus Mizzou and Nebraska...at least).