We could use a good transfer DT.Quote:
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We could use a good transfer DT.Quote:
Originally Posted by TECH88
'Yeah, Louisiana Tech, they'll take ANYBODY!'Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice752
you want that label? you want to be the new Troy?
(Sure, they win, but their reputation is garbage and its a big reason why another conference will never look at them.)
He has still got to show up on campus and IF he shows up on campus he still has to abide by the rules placed before him....
If this player does come and does what the coaches ask of him - then I'm all for it...
Unlike basketball - football has an 85+ roster and a transfer should have less of an impact "locker room wise" than an 15 man basketball roster
It is a given we have NO one the roster that has this guys talents and he could take us from a realistic 7 win team to a team that has the possibility of winning 9 or 10 games -
It's worth taking a look at
Masoli's a head case, I'll admit that. But I don't have a problem at all with BCS transfers. I mean, these are the players we wouldn't have a prayer at signing out of HS. As long as the he does what is expected of him and takes care of his grades I'm all for it. It's all about winning and considering our W-L record last year I don't think we're in any position to snub our noses at anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by CChandler
If Masoli comes and can play this year he changes the complexion of this season. He is a game changer who can run this offense the way it needs to be run. I dont think the coaching staff believes they have the qb to do that now. It would be a risk but as Al Davis said just win baby. If he has to red shirt well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
Al Davis? Uh oh.
I live in Oregon. You don't want Masoli, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
I totally agree, this guy is an amazing athlete and could be our missing piece. We certainly would take some PR flack. Makes for an interesting decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
If people are talking about you its a good thing. He could turn a decent season into a special one. IF he can play this year. Plus its ALL nothing more than SPECULATION as of now.Quote:
Originally Posted by olddog75
I'd rather win 8 games and go bowling without Masoli than win 10 games and go bowling WITH Masoli and take the massive, totally deserved PR hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluecrew
Not everyone agrees with me, and that's fine.
If Masoli is the dividing line between going bowling, period, and not going bowling, that's a little more interesting but I'd still probably rather not have him. Probably no one else agrees with that, but that's also fine.
I really think he only shows if he has one to play one...
Sometimes a change of scenery and culture does some good -
Folks need to remember Artie Smith off of the 1990 I-Bowl team
I'm with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by CChandler
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Originally Posted by CChandler
I honestly think the pr hit would be bad for about a month. once the season gets started these things tend to go into the backround.
If Masoli can transfer without having to sit out, he'd be crazy not to take a chance here. His draft stock is in the crapper now. If he can go somewhere and put all the off field stuff behind him, he could soar to the top. Especially with the same OC that brought Dasher onto the scene in MTSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluecrew
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Originally Posted by CChandler
We are coming off a 4 win season - 7 wins are not a guarantee with this team and new system....
If you are "open" about the reason you take him, then you avoid most of the negative PR -
"Yes, we are giving Masoli another chance, we feel that it could be a win win situation for all involved. Mr. Masoli has agreed to abide by the team rules and there will be a no tolerance policy in his case. We foresee no problems and Mr. Masoli has been an excellent addition to our team since he arrived on campus both in the classroom and on the field of play."
That dude hasn't been an excellent addition to any team since the 6th grade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
If he's 1 to play 1 and he's already graduated, you know good and well he will NEVER go to class. I mean that literally. He will never step foot in a classroom. He has no reason to - a Masters is out of reach within his time frame.
Absolutely nothing but trouble. Even if its for a month, or for two weeks, and even if he DOES clean up his act down the line, Louisiana Tech is still the laughing stock of college football after this signing. If y'all are ok with that...ok with Warhawks and Cajuns and Tigers and Terrapins and Chippewas and every other team under the sun laughing their ass off at our expense, and calling our program a joke for taking a guy like this...that's fine. But I'm not ok with it.
'MTSU, you won't get into CUSA because your academics suck.'
'OUR academics suck? YOU TOOK MASOLI!'
I don't think the PR hit will be that bad. UTEP got into CUSA by taking a drunken stripper admirer.
There is a difference between taking a chance on someone who had VERY public offenses (like Blount). I'm okay with taking this guy. And no, I don't care if the 5 ULM fans laugh about it.
But we are ok with taking every transfer that comes down the pipe in basketball?
Would you same people be wanting Ryan Perriloux right after his exit from LSU?
Hell no. Kid from Nebraska should've never been here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
I'm ok with 'I didn't get PT' transfers.
I'm NOT ok with 'I was a thug and got kicked off the team' transfers.
There's a huge difference.
shouldn't be...nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
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Originally Posted by FishingBack
If given the chance...Yes.
I dont think the PR hit would be as bad as yall are making it out to be. Hell yall got no problem with the other transfers we have? Did Ahmad Paige get caught with pot in the car at UT...I thought so.
Masoli has to attend class. That is thing with the quarter system. If he doesn't take school seriously then he can end up not eligible for the bowl game.Quote:
Originally Posted by CChandler
Also it would be a smart decision to have a coach who makes sure Masoli is in class every day. 1 screw up and he's cut.
Is there actually any real potential or talks of Masoli transferring to Tech, or are we just discussing it since he was recently kicked off the Ducks and has one year left?
The guy is a thug. You don't want him. He has to sit out a year anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice752
If he has to sit out a year then don't take him. Rumors are he can avoid that sit out year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaver-Dog
If he has to sit out a year I don't think he showsQuote:
Originally Posted by Beaver-Dog
Because he's here taking Master's level courses??:icon_roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by CChandler
And let me put it this way. If we don't want guys on our team considered thugs, then we've got quite a few guys we should cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaver-Dog
I'll take him in a heartbeat. The kid is a player. Give him a chance and if he messes up give him the boot. I would much rather have him under center then Ross Jenkins. I think y'all are overreacting about the bad PR, and I don't think we would care after we win 10 games. With Masoli at quarterback it immediately changes the outlook of our season. I don't know if he us even considering us or where the rumor came from, but I'm all for it.
P.S. Who gives a shit what ulm, or ull thinks about us?
Paige has 1 strike. Masoli has 3 or 4 arrest already right?
Yeah. 3 that we know of. Rumors of battery arrests in HS would make 4.
But, to be clear because I sound kind of dissenting right now, if JM ended up here, I'd root for him to clean it up and sincerely wish for the best. I'd cheer for him on the field.
I just think its an unwise move.
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Originally Posted by CChandler
Found the deadline if anyone is interested. Apparently it is July 6th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
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Originally Posted by techfan01
I don't think there's anything wrong with being a second chance school, as long as the 'candidates' have a very, very short leash. Just look at what Colt Brennan and that WR did at UH. They were both transfers with checkered pasts, right?
These players are kids, and kids can always change. You never know what a second chance combined with a structured, caring, family-style environment can do.
Second chance is one thing. 4th or 5th is entirely different.Quote:
Originally Posted by SixWings
Ross has to feel as comfortable as a long tail cat in a room full of rocking chairs!!!!!!!
We are trying to get, or talking to, QBs all over the place, for this year..........I do not like the Masoli possibility, though I like the BCS transfers we have gotten so far. Masoli has Lawrence Phillips baggage. Not sure the team leader needs to be on the police blotter...........uh, er, sorry RJ.
Bring him on.. Get the kid away from all the trouble he's been in and maybe he gets a chance to turn his life around.. you never know, it's happened before and it'll happen again.. plus he does nothing but help if he straightens his act up.
I just want the pro-masoli people to answer these questions:
1. How many chances do you get?
2. How far is too far too accept in our program?
3. At what point would you throw up your hands and turn down Peyton Manning?
depends on your ability (like in everything else)Quote:
Originally Posted by FishingBack
Like Dwayne said, with 85 scholarships (and, how many of those are we actually using?), you've got a LOT of room for error. If he can't get his stuff straight, you cut your losses and you're done. The only negative is the perception issue. To me, that's not that big of a deal. As fans, we have an irrational view of our public perception anyway. It'd make the crawl on ESPN and be forgotten in 2 weeks...UNLESS the gamble pays off.
You remember all that flack we got for taking Melancon? Me neither.
Rape, Murder, Armed Robbery, Kidnapping, Child Molestation and serious Drug distribution are all offenses for which I wouldn't give a second chance.
Misdemeanor battery, simple possession and prank thefts are all relatively minor offenses for which I would give the right player a second chance with a VERY SHORT leash. Oregon may have given more than one chance to this kid but those were not given by us.
One and only one chance.... he has to be a perfect citizen. I would give him that chance in a heart-beat.
It is obviously his last chance wherever he enrolls. You would have to assume that if he has any sense he will make the best of it.
Meloncon was a prop and had not been arrested multiple times and kicked out of a university.
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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
No, but he had baggage. Since this is the public forum, I'll not rehash some of our other players who've had legal baggage (I'm thinking of one on the football field and one on the basketball court) who were given short leashes and second chances. Both worked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by FishingBack
I don't mind mentioning Zach Schreiber. He came from bama with some serious baggage and he didn't work out. There was one thread on the ULM board and about a week of news coverage when he was arrested.
It's a risk/reward thing. What we have to lose is small and Masoli's upside is big. Again, if he flops, it'll disappear quickly. If he's a success, we're that good hearted school that gave him a chance.
I would offer him a second or maybe even a third chance. Not a 4th, 5th, or more.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
None of those players were as public as Masoli in their offenses. Honestly, none of them were 1/100th as public. This is the guy that single handily destroyed USC. Everyone knows who he is, and everyone knows he got kicked out of school.
You cannot compare this to Lando or Schreiber.
What's the magic dividing line between 3rd and 4th? And, WE haven't given him any chances. If he comes to Tech, I'm certain it would be his first and ONLY chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by FishingBack
Again, what do we have to lose?
Why not? Were his thefts more heinous than Schreibers? We already know he would likely be the only Tech athlete to have had a substance issue, but I think we could get past that.Quote:
Originally Posted by CChandler
I just don't see the media back-lash being as harsh as some here seem to. As far as his ability, that's WHY he gets a shot when a 4th string linebacker does not.
National reputation, especially if he does something high-profile here. There are espn blogs and such wondering what program is dumb enough to take him.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
The magical line is just my opinion. What's yours?
Lets say he had 7 arrests and was kicked out of one school.
We get 'how stupid is Louisiana Tech?' talking points brought up on PTI and First Take if we take Masoli. Taking everyone else mentioned isn't a blip on the state radar, much less the national one. There's a lot to lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
And a TON to gain.Quote:
Originally Posted by CChandler
Which is different than the VAST amounts of national respect we get now? A week after the announcement NOBODY will mention it again unless he's a success.Quote:
Originally Posted by CChandler
How stupid is Tech? Not very stupid at all. We use a scholarship that wasn't being used elsewhere and took a gamble that any other school in our position would've taken.
And, then there's that whole any publicity is good publicity line of thinking.
Absolutely. We'd win a bunch more football games.Quote:
Originally Posted by techfan01
Just remember that every time he steps onto the field, the TV guys will be mentioning 'Masoli, who transfered to Louisiana Tech after being kicked out of the University of Oregon for theft and drug possession...'
Some are OK with that. Some aren't. I'm of the opinion that, yes, it'd pay off on the field, and there IS a chance that the new scenery helps the guy change his life for the better, but this is a risk/reward situation and the reward doesn't warrant the risk.
I don't think is a magic line, but I don't understand the logic that 3 chances is okay, but 4 isn't. You've got to handle these things one case at a time. If the only thing we have to lose is being a talking point on PTI, then bring him on. I'm still not seeing what we have to lose in this deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by FishingBack
There's a joke in here about someone having a laptop to lose, but I'm classy.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
You mentioned Blount earlier. I don't understand that. Blount punched a guy. Masoli has done much worse.
I thought you were in the legalize it crowd?Quote:
Originally Posted by CChandler
Anyway, my meaning was that there is no video that played a million times on ESPN of Masoli blazing up or stealing stuff. The fall out from taking a guy like Blount would be MUCH worse. You're assuming that everyone thinks as deeply as you do about things. A MAJORITY of folks who watch ESPN don't even think of Masoli as getting booted out of a University, they think of him as being kicked off a football team. Quite a few of them have smoked pot and been in a fight.
I'm not saying what he did wasn't a big deal...I'm saying it won't get the negative media play you're predicting.
1 chance with a crime involving a victim. Screw up one more time, you're gone. (which is what happened at Oregon)Quote:
Originally Posted by FishingBack
once he gets here, it's a similar thing. Tell him straight up. Nose clean or bye bye. If we get negative rep by giving someone another shot in a totally different region that he's ever been before then so be it. David Pak was in prison for RAPE and Utah St gave him a chance and he excelled. He caught some slack/trash talk which was to be expected. Utah St isn't looked upon in bad light because of it.
or you could look at it as the greater the risk, the greater the reward.. I really don't see us losing anything out of this if it were to happen.. we give the guy a chance.. he either steps up and makes us that much better or fades away and we're still sitting where we are at this point in time (which I don't think is a bad position as is)Quote:
Originally Posted by CChandler
No way in hell should we take Masoli. Too big a risk.
Risk of what?Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
I'll pass. My .02
I have thought about this Masoli thing since I first learned about it and, in the meantime, read just about every comment from our BB&B gang that has been written about this guy. In the end, if indeed he does transfer to us, it will not make one whit of difference what any of us think or say. He becomes our guy. And, in doing so, we must TRUST the men we have hired to run our program ( and which we are paying a lot of money ) to do what is BEST for Louisiana Tech. They are closer to ground zero than any of us. They know far more about this situation than any of us. So, I have decided to put my faith & trust in Sonny & his staff & pray that they make the RIGHT decision in this case.
I'd take him. That's my .02
If some of you want to know what people say about our school if we bring Masoli in, go to this site and read the comments. http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/j...ll-team-060910
Everybody knows what a huge Tech football fan I am, but, If Dykes brings this guy to Tech, I won't be there. Jenkins had a a better game against Boise than Masoli did, so why do we need him.
You would really not show up if we brought ths guy in?
Its been nice reading your posts, Don.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
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Sorry, but there are stories like that at every FBS football program, ours included.
I promise you I will not come to a game if Dykes brings him in.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
But, this is one that we can stay away from because we already know he is a thug.Quote:
Originally Posted by LATechBanjo
I didn't say I was going to die, I said I would not support the program with my presence if we bring this thug sob in. I'll also cancel my LTAC donations and my donation that I was going to donate to the south endzone project. If Dykes wants to screw himself and our school, he won't have my support. Hopefully, Dan Reneau will stop it if he tries it.Quote:
Originally Posted by olddog75
So, if he's here for a year, you'll skip those 7 games. Will the boycott end when Masoli leaves or will this be a stand against Dykes and his judgment?Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
I gotta be honest, that's quite a commitment. In the end, if I were you, I would re-read what Coach Slaughter posted. If he's as bad as you fear, I doubt he'll ever show up. I trust Dykes and his staff because, to me, they get the benefit of the doubt until they show that they don't deserve it.
If you only knew the stuff that some of our players are involved in.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
If our players are involved in illegal stuff, they will be arrested just like Masoli was. That's really stupid for you to say stuff like that to justify bringing in a thug.Quote:
Originally Posted by techfan01
Well if you are going to do that, then I better not see one post from you on this board. Because if you are going to "cut ties" with Tech then you become nothing more than a troll from another school.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
I definitely would not attend any games this year if this thug is brought in. Johnny, throughout your life you have to make decisions on what you think is right or wrong. Sometimes, that is not what everybody else does, but, if you do what you believe is right, you are making the right choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Not justifying anything at all. If he messes up one bit then I'm all for giving him the boot. I Just find it silly you wouldn't support our players because of a guy you think is a thug. We had thugs on our teams last year, and we will next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
I didn't say I was cutting ties with Tech. I also donate money to the school of engineering every year. I doubt if I will be banned from the board by not supporting a thug.Quote:
Originally Posted by PTDAWG
JL - still think we have nothing to lose? And Don is just ONE fan. Its highly unlikely he's the only one thinking of doing something like this.
Yes, because everyone that does something illegal is always arrested.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
Whatever Don it's your money. I just find it hard to believe you're going to let one player dictate how you support this team and this university. That's asinine.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
My bigest concern is what it would do for the rest of the team. Masoli is a great athlete, no doubt. Will we sell our soul to the devil to win games. I hope not. If he is brought in, I will be pulling for anyone else to be the starter. This is an old story up here. If you get kicked out of Oregon, you got to be bad.
The rest of the team would love to have a playmaker at QBQuote:
Originally Posted by Beaver-Dog
Well then post all you want on the academic forums. But, if you cancel your LTAC and stop supporting them as you say you will do, I would consider that cutting ties with athletics. So I don't want to see another post on an athletic forum from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
It's highly unlikely? Maybe, maybe not. Would the collective number of withdrawn donations total more in 2010 than our bowl pay-out? Doubt it. I don't think there is a very good financial case to be made for not picking him up.Quote:
Originally Posted by CChandler
I still think the risk/reward ratio says take him. Ultimately though, Ill trus whatever Dykes decides...he hasn't given me reason not to.
So, what are you going to do if I keep posting on here, kick my ass???:laugh::laugh::laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by PTDAWG
This is a pretty good off-season thread...
Just treat you like any other troll. And don't assume the outcome on that last part.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
If you kick everybody off that doesn't donate to LTAC and buy season tickets, there won't be many left. I know one guy on here that has almost 9000 posts, and he's never bought a season ticket or donated to LTAC.Quote:
Originally Posted by PTDAWG
Didn't say that. Just you. They aren't being a jackass and publicly unpledging their loyalty and support to our athletics because of something so trivial as a potential transfer.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
We'll see how trivial Dan Reneau thinks it is bringing a thug to our school.Quote:
Originally Posted by PTDAWG
Let's all chill. You've got to figure, for whatever reason, there's only about a 10% chance of him landing here anyway.
Is there actually any chance of this happening or is this just "what if" talk? Honestly if he does come to Tech and mess up and get in trouble, you have to place blame on the coaching staff and administration that invited him. If they think they could bring him to Tech, maybe change a kids life and give him some guidance and possibly win some football games I see no reason not to try. If we have strong upperclassman leadership that can keep him under control when coaches aren't around it could work. If he was brought in, I'm sure that enough meetings and discussions will have taken place to make a sound judgement on the guy.
Masoli is now free to attend any other program willing to take him in, although he would have to sit out a season if he landed at an FBS level program. He could start playing immediately at an FCS school, and if football is still in Masoli's future that may be the more likely scenario.
Masoli has a redshirt season available for the transfer year, but he wouldn't play at another FBS school until 2011.
http://www.examiner.com/x-30425-Coll...rijuana-arrest
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Originally Posted by DogsWin
In that case, I think I pass on him. It is one thing for him to come in and start this year, and a totally different one to start next year. I am not sure he can stay out of trouble for that long.
Did he graduate from OU before getting kicked off the team?
Apparently he has graduated FB, it will be another Taylor Benett situation from my understanding. Masoli I believe has narrowed it between us (La. Tech) and Miss. St. He mite have even been in both cities over the past weekend.......But you didn't hear it from me....
Frankly, I'm ready to lose a few boy scouts and pick up a few bad azzes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MICKEYS14
HD
:laugh: This is just TOO easy..........:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
Oh, the senseless crap some of you people get riled up over. :laugh:
HD
I'm not kidding you one bit. If Dykes brings this thug in, you won't see me this fall. I can take a real nice vacation on the money I will save, but, I don't think Reneau will let it happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
I've done tons of illegal stuff and still have a clean record. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BDog05
My first impression on this possible situation was to show the kid the door. The more I think about it, though, the more I think we should give the kid a chance. I just can't figure out a worst case scenario that trumps the potential gain. (<-- youtube link)
And, for every DonW that quits coming, we'll have 5 new faces at games just because of the buzz (be that positive or negative) around the kid.
Except the Mizz State conference game..Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
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