Gun violence vs. 2nd Amendment

If we could only do away with the 2nd amendment...things would be okay - says CNN and NBC.

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Originally Posted by Champ967

That's a good point. But a bat or even a knife is less likely kill you. Most other lethal weapons require the assailant to be in the victim's immediate proximity. This proximity can allow a victim to dodge or block or run or otherwise defend their person.

So yes, violent people are going to do violent things. But a ranged weapon, especially one as powerful & accurate as a modern firearm, makes a violent person substantially more likely to KILL you.

That may prove to be the case. But I'm not there yet.

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I disagree one on one. A person can produce a knife, move 20 feet, and kill you in less time than it takes to draw a gun. A gun is a tool that when misused can kill more and faster. Although, if a person slams a car into a large crowd, it would likely kill more than one could with most firearms.

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Originally Posted by T1

This chart shows it is increasing, but still not at 1993 levels:

http://www.bloomberg.com/image/icucI_sYACFM.jpg

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This is somewhat misleading when you are talking about gun violence. About half of gun related deaths (15k or so) are suicides and your previous post shows the number of murders to be in the 11k range.

So many factors at play.

People not educated in handling firearms are handling firearms. Economic troubles lead to acts of desperation and guns are accessible even to the impoverished. People feel they aren't being heard and feel "forced" to make themselves heard. Crime creates buzz and ratings, so it will be reported.

That is probably a very shallow observation and not a great contribution to the discussion, but those are just my thoughts. Seems to be a perfect storm of conditions leading to a crazy, violent time.

Now here is violence and a hate crime in Maine not being talked about in the media or by Nobama. They are refusing to name them as Muslim nor Somolia as their country of origin.


SLAIN CHRISTIAN'S HEAD ALLEGEDLY BASHED BY MUSLIM 'REFUGEES' in Maine.
Blood-splattered Bible found lying next to victim
Published: 1 day ago

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/slain-chr...VL4vkyteTC1.99

http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/slain-chr...slim-refugees/

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Originally Posted by Built4Speed

Yep. We're just more acutely aware of each event like this due to social media prevalence. Also, I would submit that people so inclined to commit such heinous acts as the one in Virginia today know that social media gives them a platform to make their point, whatever it may be.

To me, events like the one today just reek of pure selfishness and lack of regard for other people and human life in general. Think back to the kid that shot up the college party. I'm sure there are more just like it I'm not thinking of right now, but the point is, these types of unfathomable acts are committed by people who haven't gotten their way in life and can't reconcile that with it perhaps being, at least partly, their own fault. They perceive that it's always someone else that's responsible for the bad things happening to them. Call it a symptom of a society that gives out participation awards and wants everyone treated like a special f'ing snowflake so no one's feelings get hurt.

When people aren't conditioned to getting their feelings hurt and not getting their way in life, things like today happen. Just my 1/50th of a dollar.

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I absolutely agree.

Simply put, the pussification of this country is ruining it.

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Originally Posted by DelhiDawg

This is somewhat misleading when you are talking about gun violence. About half of gun related deaths (15k or so) are suicides and your previous post shows the number of murders to be in the 11k range.

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That's a good point. But the way the Democrats talk, I was still expecting to see a hockey stick graph of gun violence going way up recently and that's just not happening. All firearm deaths (including suicide) has been stable since the beginning of the graph in 1979. I wish I could find a graph covering the past 200 years.

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Originally Posted by T1

That's a good point. But the way the Democrats talk, I was still expecting to see a hockey stick graph of gun violence going way up recently and that's just not happening. All firearm deaths (including suicide) has been stable since the beginning of the graph in 1979. I wish I could find a graph covering the past 200 years.

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The liberals, democrats, and muslims are shameless in their "jumping on" a violent act and using it to promote their cause. They are the worst kind of human beings.

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

Now here is violence and a hate crime in Maine not being talked about in the media or by Nobama. They are refusing to name them as Muslim nor Somolia as their country of origin.


SLAIN CHRISTIAN'S HEAD ALLEGEDLY BASHED BY MUSLIM 'REFUGEES' in Maine.
Blood-splattered Bible found lying next to victim
Published: 1 day ago

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/slain-chr...VL4vkyteTC1.99

http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/slain-chr...slim-refugees/

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Please stop trying to derail the thread. You're doing it on purpose.

You won't learn this from watching CNN or MSNBC, but if this guy had been checked properly according to the current laws he would not have gotten a gun (or ammo). Reckon why they used a different set of rules when approving him?

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Originally Posted by RhythmDawg

I disagree one on one. A person can produce a knife, move 20 feet, and kill you in less time than it takes to draw a gun. A gun is a tool that when misused can kill more and faster. Although, if a person slams a car into a large crowd, it would likely kill more than one could with most firearms.

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Point taken.

You lead me to another thought ...

We seem to have accepted that traffic fatalities are an unfortunate side effect of a society dependent on automobiles, but that the benefits outweigh the costs. Should this also be our attitude regarding firearms?

maddawg hinted at this above, but I still don't think its the right position for either cars or guns.

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Originally Posted by Champ967

Point taken.

You lead me to another thought ...

We seem to have accepted that traffic fatalities are an unfortunate side effect of a society dependent on automobiles, but that the benefits outweigh the costs. Should this also be our attitude regarding firearms?

maddawg hinted at this above, but I still don't think its the right position for either cars or guns.

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Morality can't be legislated. Making sure somebody takes their "happy pills" can't be legislated.

Another interesting chart showing that homicides do not decrease once guns are taken away. Look at the big spike after guns were banned!


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1QwAfQTAzo...0,+5.45+PM.png

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Originally Posted by maddawg

Morality can't be legislated. Making sure somebody takes their "happy pills" can't be legislated.

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No, but the effects of immorality can be managed, minimized, & mitigated.

This may even be an operational definition of law & justice.

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Originally Posted by Champ967

No, but the effects of immorality can be managed, minimized, & mitigated.

This may even be an operational definition of law & justice.

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As I stated above, there are laws in place that are not being observed for certain individuals.