Covid - 19

And BTW, the CDC is using this data to understand how COVID 19 deaths are being UNDERreported.

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Weekly counts of deaths from all causes were examined, including deaths due to COVID-19. As many deaths due to COVID-19 may be assigned to other causes of deaths (for example, if COVID-19 was not mentioned on the death certificate as a suspected cause of death), tracking all-cause mortality can provide information about whether an excess number of deaths is observed, even when COVID-19 mortality may be undercounted. Additionally, deaths from all causes excluding COVID-19 were also estimated. Comparing these two sets of estimates — excess deaths with and without COVID-19 — can provide insight about how many excess deaths are identified as due to COVID-19, and how many excess deaths are reported as due to other causes of death. These deaths could represent misclassified COVID-19 deaths, or potentially could be indirectly related to COVID-19 (e.g., deaths from other causes occurring in the context of health care shortages or overburdened health care systems).

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I think we can put your latest conspiracy theory to bed now.

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Dawg80, that is not scientific at all.

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I assume you are referring to my looking at the dates of the articles PRIOR to opening the link. Many of these studies build on what others have done previously, or didn't do. Why read a study from February that has already been analyzed and of which I was already familiar? I was purposely looking for NEW data. One study was dated May 6...that is absolutely brand new information.

Perhaps you tried, and failed, to poo pooh these results because they don't agree with your political agenda. That is sad. But, I am 100% into the scientific method...and am consistent in that. That is why I don't accept the theories AS FACT on man-made global warming and on evolution, to name a couple. The science has destroyed the GW hoax, and there is not enough real scientific evidence to elevate The Theory of Evolution to a scientific law.

As for the issue of HCQ as a treatment there is tons of evidence to support its use and certainly to warrant continued studies on it. As a doctor said on a video I watched, the cost per patient per dose of HCQ is as low as 50 cents (true cost). Seems to me that "big pharma" wants no part of that. No money in it for them and their useful stooges (Fauci).

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I assume you are referring to my looking at the dates of the articles PRIOR to opening the link. Many of these studies build on what others have done previously, or didn't do. Why read a study from February that has already been analyzed and of which I was already familiar? I was purposely looking for NEW data. One study was dated May 6...that is absolutely brand new information.

Perhaps you tried, and failed, to poo pooh these results because they don't agree with your political agenda. That is sad. But, I am 100% into the scientific method...and am consistent in that. That is why I don't accept the theories AS FACT on man-made global warming and on evolution, to name a couple. The science has destroyed the GW hoax, and there is not enough real scientific evidence to elevate The Theory of Evolution to a scientific law.

As for the issue of HCQ as a treatment there is tons of evidence to support its use and certainly to warrant continued studies on it. As a doctor said on a video I watched, the cost per patient per dose of HCQ is as low as 50 cents (true cost). Seems to me that "big pharma" wants no part of that. No money in it for them and their useful stooges (Fauci).

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Counting the number of articles you read that are pro HCQ out of articles about HCQ is just not scientific at all.

Anyone can post anything on the Internet, and number of articles doesn’t tell you anything about the quality of the article (was it scientific, was it even a study, is it just a reference to another study, how was the study performed, etc.).

Plus doing a random Bing article grab introduces two highly non-scientific variables - SEO and your own article selection bias (whatever filter you used in picking articles to open).

For S&G, I ran your search through Bing and cannot even reproduce your non-scientific results.

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And BTW, the CDC is using this data to understand how COVID 19 deaths are being UNDERreported.



I think we can put your latest conspiracy theory to bed now.

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You are being selective...

Look at the percent of expected deaths column (state by state)

Those close to 100% are not experiencing an increase in deaths even when the China Virus deaths are added in. "2Percent of expected deaths is the number of deaths for all causes for this week in 2020 compared to the average number across the same week in 2017–2019."

Louisiana, which is what I've been focusing on, it at 99%. So are most states other than the NE region of the US. This says that Louisiana's death numbers are not legit. We are claiming more China Virus deaths than both Florida and Texas.

No, nothing to see here.

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You are being selective...

Look at the percent of expected deaths column (state by state)

Those close to 100% are not experiencing an increase in deaths even when the China Virus deaths are added in. "2Percent of expected deaths is the number of deaths for all causes for this week in 2020 compared to the average number across the same week in 2017–2019."

Louisiana, which is what I've been focusing on, it at 99%. So are most states other than the NE region of the US. This says that Louisiana's death numbers are not legit. We are claiming more China Virus deaths than both Florida and Texas.

No, nothing to see here.

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The point is that + or - 1000 deaths is within the normal variability of expected deaths for Louisiana 5 months into the year. What is the percent of expected for the last full reported week in Louisiana?

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The point is that + or - 1000 deaths is within the normal variability of expected deaths for Louisiana 5 months into the year. What is the percent of expected for the last full reported week in Louisiana?

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So if you focus in on the weeks where Louisiana had more than 250 deaths in the CDC data set (April 4 and April 11) you get percent of expected of 128% and 140%, respectively. Those weeks Louisiana saw significantly more deaths than previously for that week.

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Counting the number of articles you read that are pro HCQ out of articles about HCQ is just not scientific at all.

Anyone can post anything on the Internet, and number of articles doesn’t tell you anything about the quality of the article (was it scientific, was it even a study, is it just a reference to another study, how was the study performed, etc.).

Plus doing a random Bing article grab introduces two highly non-scientific variables - SEO and your own article selection bias (whatever filter you used in picking articles to open).

For S&G, I ran your search through Bing and cannot even reproduce your non-scientific results.

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I typed in "How effective is hydroxych…" in Bing and before I could finish typing pages of links appeared. I selected those that referenced the drug in relation to C-19. I then, less than 5 mins, later opened a new window, went to Bing and repeated the process "How effective is..." and got a mostly new list of links. Only one, on page one, was the same article.

One of the links is a brand new article dated May 7th and is published by the New England Journal of Medicine. It says after "studying" 1,300 patients in the New England region (which I assume means several states) they found no measurable benefit of using HCQ vs. not using it. But, they didn't find it was particularly harmful either. In the article, the writer, introduces a separate survey where doctors who have used HCQ commented on the safety aspect. The writer states "Only 29% of those doctors found it to be super safe." This is an example of either lazy journalism or, more likely, an attempt to distort the truth to guide the readers to a predetermined conclusion. If one reads this article and only it, you are left with: 1) the NEJM found HCQ didn't appear to help, even while admitting it was NOT a true study, and 2) only 29% of doctors say it is super safe.

Well, from that other survey, after the 29% of the doctors said it was super safe, did another group, IDK, 20% say it was "mostly safe" and another 15% say it was "safe"? The writer did not volunteer that information. Why? And only in the very last paragraph of the article do we see that the NEJM reps who were interviewed admit this was a "survey" of 1,300 patients, "but the results are solid enough" to draw a conclusion. It wasn't a "study."

This article, dated May 7, takes the side of the "Orange Man bad!" don't listen to him side of the argument. But it is like so many of the others that they dismiss. Oh, there is a "study" that shows HCQ helped C-19 patients and caused no harm, but pay no attention to it, they say. Oh, why do you say that? They say, because we used a similar methodology and found different results. Oh? well if you are dismissing their positive findings because you say they didn't follow sound scientific medical research, and your "proof" is an equally non-scientific method, why should we believe you over them?

Reason: because we "Orange Man bad!" types stand to make $millions working with big pharma to provide an expensive remedy to the virus.

Oh! okay...:icon_roll:

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I typed in "How effective is hydroxych…" in Bing and before I could finish typing pages of links appeared. I selected those that referenced the drug in relation to C-19. I then, less than 5 mins, later opened a new window, went to Bing and repeated the process "How effective is..." and got a mostly new list of links. Only one, on page one, was the same article.

One of the links is a brand new article dated May 7th and is published by the New England Journal of Medicine. It says after "studying" 1,300 patients in the New England region (which I assume means several states) they found no measurable benefit of using HCQ vs. not using it. But, they didn't find it was particularly harmful either. In the article, the writer, introduces a separate survey where doctors who have used HCQ commented on the safety aspect. The writer states "Only 29% of those doctors found it to be super safe." This is an example of either lazy journalism or, more likely, an attempt to distort the truth to guide the readers to a predetermined conclusion. If one reads this article and only it, you are left with: 1) the NEJM found HCQ didn't appear to help, even while admitting it was NOT a true study, and 2) only 29% of doctors say it is super safe.

Well, from that other survey, after the 29% of the doctors said it was super safe, did another group, IDK, 20% say it was "mostly safe" and another 15% say it was "safe"? The writer did not volunteer that information. Why? And only in the very last paragraph of the article do we see that the NEJM reps who were interviewed admit this was a "survey" of 1,300 patients, "but the results are solid enough" to draw a conclusion. It wasn't a "study."

This article, dated May 7, takes the side of the "Orange Man bad!" don't listen to him side of the argument. But it is like so many of the others that they dismiss. Oh, there is a "study" that shows HCQ helped C-19 patients and caused no harm, but pay no attention to it, they say. Oh, why do you say that? They say, because we used a similar methodology and found different results. Oh? well if you are dismissing their positive findings because you say they didn't follow sound scientific medical research, and your "proof" is an equally non-scientific method, why should we believe you over them?

Reason: because we "Orange Man bad!" types stand to make $millions working with big pharma to provide an expensive remedy to the virus.

Oh! okay...:icon_roll:

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I literally searched exactly what you said:

"How well does HCQ work in treating Covid-19 patients?"

Your conspiracy theories are tired.

Tin foil hat alert search engines can be manipulated for results and studies can be made to give desired outcomes. Look at success by Mt. Sinai doctor and French doctors and others.
The Virology Journal - the official publication of Dr. Fauci’s National Institutes of Health - published what is now a blockbuster article on August 22, 2005, under the heading - get ready for this - “Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread.” (Emphasis mine throughout.) Write the researchers, “We report...that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage.”

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I literally searched exactly what you said:

"How well does HCQ work in treating Covid-19 patients?"

Your conspiracy theories are tired.

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Crawl back into your hole... we got this.

He didn’t try to hard. The Virology Journal - the official publication of Dr. Fauci’s National Institutes of Health - published what is now a blockbuster article on August 22, 2005, under the heading - get ready for this - “Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread.” (Emphasis mine throughout.) Write the researchers, “We report...that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage.”

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He didn’t try to hard. The Virology Journal - the official publication of Dr. Fauci’s National Institutes of Health - published what is now a blockbuster article on August 22, 2005, under the heading - get ready for this - “Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread.” (Emphasis mine throughout.) Write the researchers, “We report...that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage.”

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Orange Man bad! alert

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He didn’t try to hard. The Virology Journal - the official publication of Dr. Fauci’s National Institutes of Health - published what is now a blockbuster article on August 22, 2005, under the heading - get ready for this - “Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread.” (Emphasis mine throughout.) Write the researchers, “We report...that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage.”

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That is not an in vivo study. And there has certainly been a lot learned since 2005. COVID is different coronavirus than SARS and HCQ is not the same drug as Chloroquine.

Also, the Virology Journal is NOT the official publication of the NIH. It is a for-profit journal from the UK.

Fauci was quick to calm the hysteria over the adoption of HCQ as the treatment for COVID - reminding folks that the data did not support the conclusion of its effectiveness.

From the onset of this, there should have been instructional videos on how to properly wear a face mask. Maybe instructional videos cost $20 would have curbed the run on supplies.

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That is not an in vivo study. And there has certainly been a lot learned since 2005. COVID is different coronavirus than SARS and HCQ is not the same drug as Chloroquine.

Also, the Virology Journal is NOT the official publication of the NIH. It is a for-profit journal from the UK.

Fauci was quick to calm the hysteria over the adoption of HCQ as the treatment for COVID - reminding folks that he and his big pharma bosses would miss out on $billions.

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Truth!

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I typed in "How effective is hydroxych…" in Bing and before I could finish typing pages of links appeared. I selected those that referenced the drug in relation to C-19. I then, less than 5 mins, later opened a new window, went to Bing and repeated the process "How effective is..." and got a mostly new list of links. Only one, on page one, was the same article.

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I must commend you on your use of Bing.

I am 100% behind those folks in Michigan that are wanting the state economy open. They have every right...and in my opinion the ARE right.

What I don't understand is the bearded guys running around sporting AR15 rifles in the demonstrations. Seems kind of counterproductive to me. If I were out there with a loaded rifle strapped across my chest, it would be because I intended to USE that rifle (and it appears they are under no armed threat where that would be needed).

I support their right to own and use these weapons, and to conceal carry whatever weapon they desire, but what they are doing distracts from their message as much as if they were all carrying rainbow flags. It makes them look like idiots, too.

Interesting WaPo article on my Apple News Feed relating to Bright’s whistleblower complaint and the Texas N95 mask manufacturer that was offering to open up manufacturing lines for the government.

https://apple.news/ATK0-2qqgRQe-cQhPRxnHAw

If you have a iPhone the link might work for you.

This COVID thing is over in Tennessee, at least in Williamson County, which is right next to Nashville, but doesn't include Nashville proper. I mean, it's OVER! I've been out and about a lot the last few days, including 4 different "dine in" restaurants in the last 4 days, two different Saturdays at the Farmers Market, and one airplane flight 2 weeks ago. Everybody's pretty much done with the mask thingy.

By my estimation, the Mask wearing is now down to a hardcore 10% or less of restaurant customers. We went to a nice steak restaurant Friday night, and not a single customer was wearing a mask. The servers and hosting staff start their shifts wearing a mask because it was "required" (by somebody). But after just a couple of hours, they too had removed their masks.

It's over. You can come out of hiding now. ;)

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This COVID thing is over in Tennessee, at least in Williamson County, which is right next to Nashville, but doesn't include Nashville proper. I mean, it's OVER! I've been out and about a lot the last few days, including 4 different "dine in" restaurants in the last 4 days, two different Saturdays at the Farmers Market, and one airplane flight 2 weeks ago. Everybody's pretty much done with the mask thingy.

By my estimation, the Mask wearing is now down to a hardcore 10% or less of restaurant customers. We went to a nice steak restaurant Friday night, and not a single customer was wearing a mask. The servers and hosting staff start their shifts wearing a mask because it was "required" (by somebody). But after just a couple of hours, they too had removed their masks.

It's over. You can come out of hiding now. ;)

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Yep, Americans have no concept of citizenship or civic duty. Just a matter of time before we are shutting things down again because folks couldn’t do a couple simple things to control the spread.

I have always said I hope this proves to be much ado about nothing. I still do. That's because I am not interested in some political victory or scoring points toward such come November. Clearly the other side is very much interested in that. But, if this is, as it now appears to be, some heads should roll. First on the chopping block is the squawking little Dr. Fauci. At best his credibility is totally shot to hell, at worse he should be brought on charges, and face civil suits for all the economic damage he has caused. That scarf-wearing bimbo is equally guilty of sewing alarm. Now...that is if this turns out as it now appears, to be greatly over-blown.

Why, you may ask, am I singling out Fauci and Birx? Well, there are others, like all those on the take from big pharma that poo poohed the use of HCQ as an effective and CHEAP treatment. They are guilty too and if lives were lost because patients were denied HCQ, they should face the music as well. So, either Fauci is a total moron, and is therefore unworthy to hold the credentials of "supreme" leader in the fight against viral outbreaks, or he knew fullwell it was all BS and was just trying to enrich himself (like algore does in his GW hoax) and is guilty of fraud. And again, he should be brought up on charges of negligent homicide. Either way he, and Birx, and all the others who perpetrated this hoax should pay a price.

That is....if indeed this is much ado about nothing.

You see how I leave myself an opening? Why? Because I don't really know the REAL truth. But those who take it upon themselves to stand in front of cameras day after day and tell the nation, indeed, tell the world that THEY KNOW and tell us all how we should behave had better be correct. There has been REAL damage due directly to what they have said. Not just terrible economic damage but deaths too. IF all of that can be justified because they were right...that is one thing. But, if not, someone has to be held accountable.

It's like the whole HCQ thingy. I had moved on from that issue and then bam! I see brand new articles, and videos of doctors, putting their careers on the line saying Hey! HCQ works! I ask myself if it is not true, why then do these doctors and researchers keep making this claim? That's a fair question I think. Why would they keep publishing results if they were advancing misinformation? So they can "sell" doses of a drug at 50 cents? If HCQ truly DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!! then all these folks will be better off just to shut up about it.

But, IDK. I just know we haven't altered what we do very much day to day...wear a mask while in Walmart or other indoor public places...and it has had minimal effect on me financially. I have no dog in this fight, personally. But many, many folks do, as does our country. But, we'll survive this too.

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I have always said I hope this proves to be much ado about nothing. I still do. That's because I am not interested in some political victory or scoring points toward such come November. Clearly the other side is very much interested in that. But, if this is, as it now appears to be, some heads should roll. First on the chopping block is the squawking little Dr. Fauci. At best his credibility is totally shot to hell, at worse he should be brought on charges, and face civil suits for all the economic damage he has caused. That scarf-wearing bimbo is equally guilty of sewing alarm. Now...that is if this turns out as it now appears, to be greatly over-blown.

Why, you may ask, am I singling out Fauci and Birx? Well, there are others, like all those on the take from big pharma that poo poohed the use of HCQ as an effective and CHEAP treatment. They are guilty too and if lives were lost because patients were denied HCQ, they should face the music as well. So, either Fauci is a total moron, and is therefore unworthy to hold the credentials of "supreme" leader in the fight against viral outbreaks, or he knew fullwell it was all BS and was just trying to enrich himself (like algore does in his GW hoax) and is guilty of fraud. And again, he should be brought up on charges of negligent homicide. Either way he, and Birx, and all the others who perpetrated this hoax should pay a price.

That is....if indeed this is much ado about nothing.

You see how I leave myself an opening? Why? Because I don't really know the REAL truth. But those who take it upon themselves to stand in front of cameras day after day and tell the nation, indeed, tell the world that THEY KNOW and tell us all how we should behave had better be correct. There has been REAL damage due directly to what they have said. Not just terrible economic damage but deaths too. IF all of that can be justified because they were right...that is one thing. But, if not, someone has to be held accountable.

It's like the whole HCQ thingy. I had moved on from that issue and then bam! I see brand new articles, and videos of doctors, putting their careers on the line saying Hey! HCQ works! I ask myself if it is not true, why then do these doctors and researchers keep making this claim? That's a fair question I think. Why would they keep publishing results if they were advancing misinformation? So they can "sell" doses of a drug at 50 cents? If HCQ truly DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!! then all these folks will be better off just to shut up about it.

But, IDK. I just know we haven't altered what we do very much day to day...wear a mask while in Walmart or other indoor public places...and it has had minimal effect on me financially. I have no dog in this fight, personally. But many, many folks do, as does our country. But, we'll survive this too.

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Too much Facebook for you.

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Too much Facebook for you.

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Hah! Facebook has dutifully been deleting any anti-hoax videos and posts. If one doesn't toe the party line..."the sky is falling and it's all Trump's fault!" their posts get deleted.

Doesn't change the truth in my post. Those who have taken it upon themselves to be the all-knowing experts on this virus mess have assumed a huge responsibility, and they had better be right, or they should pay a price for it.

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Hah! Facebook has dutifully been deleting any anti-hoax videos and posts. If one doesn't toe the party line..."the sky is falling and it's all Trump's fault!" their posts get deleted.

Doesn't change the truth in my post. Those who have taken it upon themselves to be the all-knowing experts on this virus mess have assumed a huge responsibility, and they had better be right, or they should pay a price for it.

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Why do you think they haven’t been right?

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Why do you think they haven’t been right?

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I don't know...yet. I just said IF they were not right in their dire warnings and caused all that collateral damage, there should be some kind of consequence.

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Yep, Americans have no concept of citizenship or civic duty. Just a matter of time before we are shutting things down again because folks couldn’t do a couple simple things to control the spread.

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Much like Texas, the folks in Tennessee seem to know pretty well what they are doing. They've only had a total of 237 deaths to date in the state of Tennessee, due to Coronavirus. Furthermore, Williamson County, TN, has only had 10 deaths attributed to Coronavirus. Not bad for a county with a total population of approximately 240,000 people. Williamson County's 434 total Coronavirus cases represents only .018% of its population. That's less than 2 TENTHS of 1 percent.

Yeah......you with yo dumb ass self tell 'em they don't know what they are doing. :laugh:

Stats below.

(Davidson County is Nashville. Shelby County is Memphis.)

STATE OF TENNESSEE:

Confirmed 14,096 +327

Recovered 6,783

Deaths 237 +1

Williamson County	434	296	10
Davidson County	3,157	1,673	31
Shelby County	3,066	1,723	64
Trousdale County	1,356	16	2
Sumner County	672	337	38

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Hah! Facebook has dutifully been deleting any anti-hoax videos and posts. If one doesn't toe the party line..."the sky is falling and it's all Trump's fault!" their posts get deleted.

Doesn't change the truth in my post. Those who have taken it upon themselves to be the all-knowing experts on this virus mess have assumed a huge responsibility, and they had better be right, or they should pay a price for it.

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....And yet, every single video that lied about the 2016 Trump Campaign being tied to "Russian collusion" is still out there on the Facebook, Youtube and Titter web sites, just to name a few. The Video Nazi's have never bothered to remove them, even though we now KNOW FOR A FACT that those were lies being told to the American public. The Intel docs released last week told us so.

But here's the deal: I really don't have a problem with those anti-Trump videos being on line, as long as the Video Nazi's aren't removing the good guys videos as well (such as what happened this past week.) Both sides should be allowed to have their videos on these web sites. That's the way it should be. I'm a big boy, and I can decide for myself which ones to believe, and which ones's are bullshit. I don't need --and America doesn't need-- these tech companies and their 22-yr old idiot employees censoring the material for us.

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Interesting WaPo article on my Apple News Feed relating to Bright’s whistleblower complaint and the Texas N95 mask manufacturer that was offering to open up manufacturing lines for the government.

https://apple.news/ATK0-2qqgRQe-cQhPRxnHAw

If you have a iPhone the link might work for you.

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Here's an article regarding the same place (I believe) in the Dallas Paper.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...avirus-crisis/

Basically indicating that they've been making masks for US hospitals only since end of February. I couldn't open the WP link so I don't know exactly what it says.

It's funny, I've replied to a few posts on Fox's website and the post regarding this one is the only one I can see that they've taken off.

And the plot thickens.

Report: Xi Jinping Asked W.H.O. Chief Tedros to Delay Pandemic Warning


The German newspaper Der Spiegel published a report this weekend stating German intelligence officials believed Chinese dictator Xi Jinping personally asked the head of the World Health Organization (W.H.O.), Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, to delay key warnings about the Chinese coronavirus.

Xi allegedly urged Tedros not to declare the outbreak a pandemic yet at the time of the phone conversation, which the German newspaper said had occurred on January 21. He also reportedly encouraged Tedros not to share information showing that the virus could spread from person to person.

The conversation allegedly occurred a week before Tedros personally visited Beijing – despite mounting concerns that international travel may hinder the fight against the outbreak that at the time was largely contained in China – and discussed the newly identified virus with Xi.

Tedros declared the Chinese coronavirus crisis a pandemic on March 11, the day after Xi Jinping visited Wuhan, the origin city of the virus, and declared that China had beaten its local outbreak. Xi avoided Wuhan until then despite reports indicating cases of a contagious respiratory disease spreading in the central Chinese city as early as November 2019.

The W.H.O. denied the conversation in the Der Spiegel report in a series of tweets.

More

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/...demic-warning/

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Here's an article regarding the same place (I believe) in the Dallas Paper.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...avirus-crisis/

Basically indicating that they've been making masks for US hospitals only since end of February. I couldn't open the WP link so I don't know exactly what it says.

It's funny, I've replied to a few posts on Fox's website and the post regarding this one is the only one I can see that they've taken off.

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Same company. It said that he could unmothball several more production lines if the government wanted him to make an additional 1.7*million N95 masks a week.

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Same company. It said that he could unmothball several more production lines if the government wanted him to make an additional 1.7*million N95 masks a week.

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Why depend on the guvmint to "want him" to make more N95 masks? Is there demand for more N95 masks? If yes, then how much demand, and then gear up and make them! Oh, no demand or not much...then don't gear up to make more.

This registers really high on the Duh! meter. And, no the Duh! is not aimed at you Goosey (this time), I think you understand basic supply & demand.

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Why depend on the guvmint to "want him" to make more N95 masks? Is there demand for more N95 masks? If yes, then how much demand, and then gear up and make them! Oh, no demand or not much...then don't gear up to make more.

This registers really high on the Duh! meter. And, no the Duh! is not aimed at you Goosey (this time), I think you understand basic supply & demand.

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I’d say he didn’t wait but definitely looked at it to see if he could get someone else to pay for the reopening. Below are a few articles and the numbers just don’t seem to add up. I’m not familiar enough with the process to determine where the differences might lie.

Increased production from 250,000 to 1 million, Note the article says that’s per day.

https://www.wired.com/story/surreal-...st-mask-maker/

“That’s led to a lot of hard decisions for manufacturers. Faced with hundreds of millions of orders a day, and a limited number of masks, Prestige Ameritech decided to sell only to hospitals, rather than the general public, and has prioritized working with medical centers that will sign five-year contracts, to reduce the likelihood that the company will have to lay off all its new employees once the pandemic subsides.”

CBS news story 2/26/20 – maybe where WaP got their’s?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronav...ritech-demand/

Story from VOX:
https://www.vox.com/covid-19-coronav...tige-ameritech
Which I assume is basically the same thing WaP says.

His pitch: Provide the funds needed to dust off four dormant manufacturing lines, and his firm would produce 1.7 million N95 masks every week.
Anything strange about these numbers? In first article they’ve increased production from 250K to 1 million masks a day but indicated they could make 1.7 million masks per week for US if provide funds for dusting off four dormant lines?

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His pitch: Provide the funds needed to dust off four dormant manufacturing lines, and his firm would produce 1.7 million N95 masks every week.
Anything strange about these numbers? In first article they’ve increased production from 250K to 1 million masks a day but indicated they could make 1.7 million masks per week for US if provide funds for dusting off four dormant lines?

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Well, there ya go. I am making the following proposal that, if not accepted, will force me to become a whistleblower.

If the government will build me a factory and guarantee that they will buy any mask I make at a price that guarantees me a profit, I will make as many of these things as they want.

Just need to dust off that piece of ground where the concrete foundation will be poured and the beams will be erected at their expense.

Heck just use the old GM plant in Shreveport, Western Electric plant mostly vacant, Empty Beaird Polun plant ; or GM Guide plant east of Monroe on I20.

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Heck just use the old GM plant in Shreveport, Western Electric plant mostly vacant, Empty Beaird Polun plant ; or GM Guide plant east of Monroe on I20.

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I believe the GM Guide plant east of Monroe is either just a slab or dirt. I'm better certain all the structures have been eliminated.

This is some information that backs up Czechoslovakia information.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...new-study-says

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I believe the GM Guide plant east of Monroe is either just a slab or dirt. I'm better certain all the structures have been eliminated.

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Plans for a Love Travel Center is the word

President Nancy Pelosi. That’s what happens if Trump and Pence die from COVID. Maybe that is what finally got them to make their staff start to wear masks.

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Here's an article regarding the same place (I believe) in the Dallas Paper.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...avirus-crisis/

Basically indicating that they've been making masks for US hospitals only since end of February. I couldn't open the WP link so I don't know exactly what it says.

It's funny, I've replied to a few posts on Fox's website and the post regarding this one is the only one I can see that they've taken off.

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Interesting. So, are we to assume that the only people who wear the silly masks are people who have already shown symptoms of COVID-19?

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Medical professionals have cautioned that there’s no evidence that the typical surgical mask protects against catching an infection, although they’re useful in preventing infected individuals from spreading certain illnesses when worn.
“Face masks should be used by people who show symptoms of COVID-19 to help prevent the spread of the disease to others,” according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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Well, there ya go. I am making the following proposal that, if not accepted, will force me to become a whistleblower.

If the government will build me a factory and guarantee that they will buy any mask I make at a price that guarantees me a profit, I will make as many of these things as they want.

Just need to dust off that piece of ground where the concrete foundation will be poured and the beams will be erected at their expense.

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.....and don't forget to include my big corner office, complete with a hot tub and a bar. I mean....as long as the guvmint is paying....:D

The problem is, there's a very limited long term market for these silly masks. When these masks are no longer fashionable --about 90 days from now-- their value is going to drop like a hot potato. No manufacturer wants to be left sitting on a ton of inventory and invested in the equipment required to make these things.

Maybe we could take 'em to a "Hula Hoop" manufacturer. Those guys know what it's like to be left holding the bag. :laugh:

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Interesting. So, are we to assume that the only people who wear the silly masks are people who have already shown symptoms of COVID-19?

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That is incorrect information. The CDC recommends that everyone wear masks when you can’t keep 6 feet distance.

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We now know from recent studies that a significant portion of individuals with coronavirus lack symptoms (“asymptomatic”) and that even those who eventually develop symptoms (“pre-symptomatic”) can transmit the virus to others before showing symptoms. This means that the virus can spread between people interacting in close proximity—for example, speaking, coughing, or sneezing—even if those people are not exhibiting symptoms. In light of this new evidence, CDC recommends wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain (e.g., grocery stores and pharmacies) especially in areas of significant community-based transmission.

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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ace-cover.html

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That is incorrect information. The CDC recommends that everyone wear masks when you can’t keep 6 feet distance.



https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ace-cover.html

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....Now just to confirm, this is the same CDC that first recommended wearing masks were not necessary, BEFORE flip-flopping on the issue, right?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...rus-2020-01-30

Dr. Birx stated in press conference "There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust". That's a pretty bold statement.


https://www.businessinsider.com/debo...meeting-2020-5

• Birx and others reportedly feared that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's data-tracking system was inflating coronavirus statistics like death rates and case numbers.

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....Now just to confirm, this is the same CDC that first recommended wearing masks were not necessary, BEFORE flip-flopping on the issue, right?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...rus-2020-01-30

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Reading comprehension... from March 2

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The virus is not spreading in the general community,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the Center for the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said in a Jan. 30 briefing. “We don’t routinely recommend the use of face masks by the public to prevent respiratory illness. And we certainly are not recommending that at this time for this new virus.”

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In other words, when that recommendation was made we did not have community spread (and we didn’t even know about people spreading asymptomatically). Note also the qualifier “at this time”, which clues into most readers that this guidance could change at a later time.

Your article was from March and they were citing to something that was said more than a month prior.

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Reading comprehension... from March 2



In other words, when that recommendation was made we did not have community spread (and we didn’t even know about people spreading asymptomatically). Note also the qualifier “at this time”, which clues into most readers that this guidance could change at a later time.

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:laugh: Everybody already knows all that. But the flip-flop point is lost on you.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/d...20-5?r=US&IR=T

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:laugh: Everybody already knows all that. But the flip-flop point is lost on you.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/d...20-5?r=US&IR=T

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Reading comprehension is clearly lost on you.

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Reading comprehension is clearly lost on you.

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....Fake news, brains and common sense were certainly lost on you.

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....Fake news, brains and common sense were certainly lost on you.

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What does “at this time” mean (according to common sense and brains) then?

Is that not a qualifier to someone with brains and common sense?

Or does common sense tell you that on January 30 (a day before Trump’s China travel restrictions) that the CDC should have been telling all Americans to start wearing masks at that time?

Sounds like it is your brains and common sense that have been lost to fake news.

German intelligence reports that WHO was in cahoots with China in the cover-up. I didn't hear all the details, but I'm sure I'll be able to find the real truth somewhere on Facebook. Oh wait! FB is deleting such truths.

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What does “at this time” mean (according to common sense and brains) then?

Is that not a qualifier to someone with brains and common sense?

Or does common sense tell you that on January 30 (a day before Trump’s China travel restrictions) that the CDC should have been telling all Americans to start wearing masks at that time?

Sounds like it is your brains and common sense that have been lost to fake news.

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So as long as someone leads with a qualifying statement...they can’t be held accountable for anything they say. Got it.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN22K14S

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/ger...19-in-january/

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN22K14S

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/ger...19-in-january/

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Yes, that's the blurb I heard:

German media revealed that China’s president Xi Jinping in January pressured the director of the World Health Organization, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, to hold off on issuing a global warning about the coronavirus outbreak.According to a January 21 conversation between the two, which cited intelligence from Germany’s federal intelligence service, the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Xi urged the WHO chief to “delay a global warning” about the pandemic and hold back information on human-to-human transmission of the virus, which the BND estimated resulted in a delay of 4 to 6 weeks.

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So as long as someone leads with a qualifying statement...they can’t be held accountable for anything they say. Got it.

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They are still accountable for the statement, but the statement didn’t have an indefinite shelf life.

It is like if I say it is dark at this time (when it is night), and then you try to apply the statement at all times such as during a later day.

When I say “at this time”, the very expression means it is subject to change at a different time.

Well circumstances did change. Now we are about to reopen the economy while cases are still increasing outside of New York. Under those circumstances, people need to wear masks even if they are asymptomatic.

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They are still accountable for the statement, but the statement didn’t have an indefinite shelf life.

It is like if I say it is dark at this time (when it is night), and then you try to apply the statement at all times such as during a later day.

When I say “at this time”, the very expression means it is subject to change at a different time.

Well circumstances did change. Now we are about to reopen the economy while cases are still increasing outside of New York. Under those circumstances, people need to wear masks even if they are asymptomatic.

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Well, the virus exists, we are still testing....cases will continue to increase and deaths will too. Somehow that is not happening in New York anymore?

At this time I believe Guisslapp to be a moron...please prove me wrong!

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Well, the virus exists, we are still testing....cases will continue to increase and deaths will too. Somehow that is not happening in New York anymore?

At this time I believe Guisslapp to be a moron...please prove me wrong!

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New cases are increasing, meaning while New York is getting fewer new cases per day, the rest of the country is getting more new cases per day.

The country as a whole has a R0 of 1.1, while New York is less than 1.

As we lift lockdowns, the R0 will go up (unless everyone wears masks and practices social distancing). Japan achieved a very low R0 with just masks and distancing without any lockdown.

Poor kid.

https://twitter.com/savag3ap3/status...565585411?s=21

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New cases are increasing, meaning while New York is getting fewer new cases per day, the rest of the country is getting more new cases per day.

The country as a whole has a R0 of 1.1, while New York is less than 1.

As we lift lockdowns, the R0 will go up (unless everyone wears masks and practices social distancing). Japan achieved a very low R0 with just masks and distancing without any lockdown.

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I'm sure you can verify the accuracy of all the data.

Well, gotta hand it to 'em for trying. Inmates in LA County prison (think that's right) were sharing bottles of water in hopes of contracting the virus so they would be released. The sheriff said it wasn't gonna work. Well, why not, didn't Gov. Newsome order inmates turned loose on the streets to wreak havoc if they tested positive for C-19! And BTW how come inmates can get tested while most of the masses cannot?

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I'm sure you can verify the accuracy of all the data.

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There is no evidence of systemic overcounting, and the experts think that to the extent the numbers are wrong it is from undercounting.

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There is no evidence of systemic overcounting, and the experts think that to the extent the numbers are wrong it is from undercounting.

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Yes there is. Any state at or near the 100% mark we discussed last week is over reporting if the normal death count is the same as usual. Louisiana is the most glaring example

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Yes there is. Any state at or near the 100% mark we discussed last week is over reporting if the normal death count is the same as usual. Louisiana is the most glaring example

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What are you talking about? I showed you that on a weekly basis deaths are way up on the weeks of high COVID deaths (for example, in weeks that Louisiana posted more than 250 COVID deaths, the percentage of expected deaths were significantly up). Did you not look at that?

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What are you talking about? I showed you that on a weekly basis deaths are way up on the weeks of high COVID deaths (for example, in weeks that Louisiana posted more than 250 COVID deaths, the percentage of expected deaths were significantly up). Did you not look at that?

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The entire period is what needs to be considered, not weeks or days. Bottom line: The overall death count is not up in those (100%) states because deaths that are normally listed as natural causes are labeled China Virus.

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The entire period is what needs to be considered, not weeks or days. Bottom line: The overall death count is not up in those (100%) states because deaths that are normally listed as natural causes are labeled China Virus.

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Why would you include weeks where hardly anyone died of COVID? Those number show that, in general, deaths for the year were trending lower than average year prior to COVID.

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Why would you include weeks where hardly anyone died of COVID? Those number show that, in general, deaths for the year were trending lower than average year prior to COVID.

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Why would you label deaths that would have happened without the china virus "death by china virus"? Heart failure...death by china virus. Kidney failure...death by china virus. Old age...death by china virus.

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Why would you label deaths that would have happened without the china virus "death by china virus"? Heart failure...death by china virus. Kidney failure...death by china virus. Old age...death by china virus.

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They aren’t. They are only labeling it COVID when COVID causes or contributes to the death. We all are going to die at some point, based on your logic, why would we count any COVID death?

The data shows clearly higher than expected death rates in Louisiana for the weeks that many people died of COVID. For the rest of the year so far, and weeks with small numbers of COVID deaths, 2020 has been tracking lower than average (but probably not outside the range of normal variability). It really isn’t that hard to understand the data in this case.

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They aren’t. They are only labeling it COVID when COVID causes or contributes to the death. We all are going to die at some point, based on your logic, why would we count any COVID death?

The data shows clearly higher than expected death rates in Louisiana for the weeks that many people died of COVID. For the rest of the year so far, and weeks with small numbers of COVID deaths, 2020 has been tracking lower than average (but probably not outside the range of normal variability). It really isn’t that hard to understand the data in this case.

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CDC has updated the numbers some more.

For Louisiana:

Week ending 3/28: 159 COVID deaths, 125% of expected
4/4: 308, 132%
4/11: 356, 150%
4/18: 267, 122%

For weeks earlier in the year, before any COVID deaths the numbers range anywhere from 96% to 109%, indicating that anywhere between 90-110% of expected deaths is likely to occur just to natural variability.

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CDC has updated the numbers some more.

For Louisiana:

Week ending 3/28: 159 COVID deaths, 125% of expected
4/4: 308, 132%
4/11: 356, 150%
4/18: 267, 122%

For weeks earlier in the year, before any COVID deaths the numbers range anywhere from 96% to 109%, indicating that anywhere between 90-110% of expected deaths is likely to occur just to natural variability.

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800 of 2300 deaths in Orleans/Jefferson...35%. This plus a few nursing home clusters that are probably legit.

There's most of it. Add a few more that are questionable in every parish and the numbers are padded accordingly.

Another 3 million newly unemployed.

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Another 3 million newly unemployed.

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Hooray! let's cheer on all this misery! We'll get that Orange Man out of the White House for sure! But, we have to keep things locked down...if we allow the economy to fully reopen, Bam! it'll be roaring by the fall and we can't have that, eh.

A 4th USDA meat inspector has died of COVID.

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A 4th USDA meat inspector has died of COVID.

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That's definitely not good news, but not sure what your point might be. There's 8,600 inspectors. Four have died so that's (0.05%) of inspectors. Doesn't seem like an out of the ordinary statistics considering.

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That's definitely not good news, but not sure what your point might be. There's 8,600 inspectors. Four have died so that's (0.05%) of inspectors. Doesn't seem like an out of the ordinary statistics considering.

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There is growing evidence that meat/food processing places are superspreading COVID.

Wife and I drove to Houston this past weekend to visit my son and daughter in law. Had a great time visiting, drove to Galveston and saw many people on the beach, social distancing etc. Went to dinner at Millers, socially distancing at tables. No issues.

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Wife and I drove to Houston this past weekend to visit my son and daughter in law. Had a great time visiting, drove to Galveston and saw many people on the beach, social distancing etc. Went to dinner at Millers, socially distancing at tables. No issues.

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You are selfish!!!!!

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A 4th USDA meat inspector has died of COVID.

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Your life would be much better if you stayed off all the news sites and social media. Doom! We are all going to die unless we wear masks and shelter at home forever. I would encourage you to get out more. Things are not nearly as scary or bad as you think.

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There is growing evidence that meat/food processing places are superspreading COVID.

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What is the evidence? Which news site? They are all reporting the most sensational info they can find. Real journalism has been dead in this country for a long time. It’ all about clicks and dollars. You’re better than that Goosey....

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What is the evidence? Which news site? They are all reporting the most sensational info they can find. Real journalism has been dead in this country for a long time. It’ all about clicks and dollars. You’re better than that Goosey....

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impa..._United_States

Lol! Wikipedia is your source?

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There is growing evidence that meat/food processing places are superspreading COVID.

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Links?

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You are selfish!!!!!

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I'm selfish too. I flew back from Nashville to Dallas yesterday. Took Lyft home from the airport. Not a single wrinkle during the whole trip. Life goes on people.

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Links?

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In case you are new to the Internet, Wikipedia has links embedded in it. You’re welcome.

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Lol! Wikipedia is your source?

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Actually, it was not more source, but I thought it would be basic enough for you to understand.

Here is a good article on known superspreading events (of which the meat packing facilities are just one example).

https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the...hem-avoid-them

This is funny, "What it's like to believe ever thin the media tells you"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QcUAG6t5aN8

Another California Sheriff that won't enforce the lockdown..

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“That is my position. We do not stop the public to find out what they’re doing when they’re not sheltering in place. We don’t ask those questions, we don’t ask if they’re ‘essential’. We’ve got our hands full trying to re-arrest people that are released due to zero-dollar bail. So we’ve got other things that are on our mind that are more important than stopping normally law-abiding citizens.



https://100percentfedup.com/fresno-c...reed-criminals

https://media2.giphy.com/media/ZU9Qb...&rid=giphy.gif

Talk about a savage response calling out government in California for their stupid laws.

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This is funny, "What it's like to believe ever thin the media tells you"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QcUAG6t5aN8

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That is hilarious! So, Guisslapp made a video? LOL!! Sounds JUST LIKE Guissy, trying to spread fear everywhere! HAHA!


IMO, the best line is late in the video where he's speaking of Bill Gates and he says, "Dude...Bill Gates isn't smart. He's a billionaire, not a trillionaire". LOL!

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That is hilarious! So, Guisslapp made a video? LOL!! Sound JUST LIKE Guissy, trying to spread fear everywhere! HAHA!


IMO, the best line is late in the video where he's speaking of Bill Gates and he says, "Dude...Bill Gates isn't smart. He's a billionaire, not a trillionaire". LOL!

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Last I checked FoxNews, Rush and Breitbart are the media. You guys seem to follow the media way more than I do.

Man the meme's are on fire today..:laugh:



https://i.imgur.com/Y75HDdJ.gif

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man the meme's are on fire today..:laugh:



https://i.imgur.com/y75hddj.gif

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lol! Truth!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfGAktuU93s

Well Nancy's 1800 page 3 TRILLION dollar stimulus package just barely passed the democrat controlled House. It should be DOA at the Senate. It will definitely get a Trump Veto as it should. There's so much crap in this bill again, including mail in voting, bailouts for city and state governments, bailouts for US postal service, etc.

“America is first in the world in deaths, first in the world in infections and we stand out as an emblem of global incompetence. The damage to America’s influence and reputation will be very hard to undo.”

Quite the takedown of this administrations response to Coronavirus. It is as if they have been reading my posts.

https://amp.ft.com/content/97dc7de6-...mpression=true

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“America is first in the world in deaths, first in the world in infections and we stand out as an emblem of global incompetence. The damage to America’s influence and reputation will be very hard to undo.”

Quite the takedown of this administrations response to Coronavirus. It is as if they have been reading my posts.

https://amp.ft.com/content/97dc7de6-...mpression=true

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More from the article...

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Redfield is about the worst person you could think of to be heading the CDC at this time,” says Laurie Garrett, a Pulitzer Prize-winning science journalist who has reported on epidemics. “He lets his prejudices interfere with the science, which you cannot afford during a pandemic.”

One of the CDC’s constraints was to insist on developing its own test rather than import a foreign one. Dr Anthony Fauci – the infectious disease expert and now household name – is widely known to loathe Redfield, and vice versa. That meant the CDC and Fauci’s National Institutes of Health were not on the same page. “The last thing you need is scientists fighting with each other in the middle of an epidemic,” says Dr Kenneth Bernard, who set up a previous White House pandemic unit in 2004, which was scrapped under Barack Obama.

Advising Trump was like ‘bringing fruits to the volcano . . . You’re trying to appease a great force that’s impervious to reason’

An administration official
The scarcity of kits meant that the scientists lacked a picture of America’s rapidly spreading infections. The CDC was forced to ration tests to “persons under investigation” – people who had come within 6ft of someone who had either visited China or been infected with Covid-19 in the previous 14 days. Most were denied. Few could prove that they had met either criterion. This was at a time when several countries, notably Germany, Taiwan and South Korea, gave access to on-the-spot tests, including at drive-through centres – an option most Americans still lack.

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“America is first in the world in deaths, first in the world in infections and we stand out as an emblem of global incompetence. The damage to America’s influence and reputation will be very hard to undo.”

Quite the takedown of this administrations response to Coronavirus. It is as if they have been reading my posts.

https://amp.ft.com/content/97dc7de6-...mpression=true

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Yeah, almost 25% of those cases come from one state, where I agree there was total incompetence.

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“America is first in the world in deaths, first in the world in infections and we stand out as an emblem of global incompetence. The damage to America’s influence and reputation will be very hard to undo.”

Quite the takedown of this administrations response to Coronavirus. It is as if they have been reading my posts.

https://amp.ft.com/content/97dc7de6-...mpression=true

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That one earns a reward from HogDawg's BS meter: :laugh:

https://media.tenor.com/images/1492d...8511/tenor.gif

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Yeah, almost 25% of those cases come from one state, where I agree there was total incompetence.

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Somewhere on this board, I wrote a post back in early April about the fact that this COVID-19 pandemic is essentially nothing more than a New York/New Jersey pandemic. In that post, I supplied a link to statistics noting that over 50% of all deaths and coronavirus cases were taking place in just 3 states: New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts. Well, nothing has changed. New York (27,878 deaths), New Jersey (10,148) and Massachusetts (5,592) still make up approximately 50% of all Coronavirus deaths in the country.

This is why many people say you can't paint the entire country with the same broad brush. What works well in New York isn't necessarily the best medicine (metaphorically speaking) for the rest of the country. Every community has it's own distinct, and different challenges. Thirty-Four states have less than 1,000 deaths attributed to Coronavirus. Twelve states have less than 100.

With this in mind, most of these states with fewer deaths should be allowed to open up their businesses, go back to school and start working and producing again.


https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...rus-in-the-u-s

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Somewhere on this board, I wrote a post back in early April about the fact that this COVID-19 pandemic is essentially nothing more than a New York/New Jersey pandemic. In that post, I supplied a link to statistics noting that over 50% of all deaths and coronavirus cases were taking place in just 3 states: New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts. Well, nothing has changed. New York (27,878 deaths), New Jersey (10,148) and Massachusetts (5,592) still make up approximately 50% of all Coronavirus deaths in the country.

This is why many people say you can't paint the entire country with the same broad brush. What works well in New York isn't necessarily the best medicine (metaphorically speaking) for the rest of the country. Every community has it's own distinct, and different challenges. Thirty-Four states have less than 1,000 deaths attributed to Coronavirus. Twelve states have less than 100.

With this in mind, most of these states with fewer deaths should be allowed to open up their businesses, go back to school and start working and producing again.


https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...rus-in-the-u-s

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These stats also show that Louisiana, with a state population of only 4.6 million people, has supposedly had 2,448 Coronavirus deaths to date. To give you some perspective, the 5 states of Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Mississippi and Tennessee have a combined population of almost 47 million people (10X Louisiana's), and boasts an almost identical combined number of totals deaths from Coronavirus, at 2,450.

I wonder how many of those deaths could be attributed to Mardi Gras and visitors to the state and spread to population after visiting?

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That one earns a reward from HogDawg's BS meter: :laugh:

https://media.tenor.com/images/1492d...8511/tenor.gif

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Elections have consequences, and it really isn’t that big of a surprise that the election of a self-indulgent imbecile for POTUS would result in incompetent administration of a crisis and the resulting economic destruction.