Immigration

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Originally Posted by detltu

You don't think telling people they should think and act a certain way because of the color of their skin, their religion or their sexuality could be considered racist or homophobic or bigoted? Maybe only an athiest liberal would dismiss those attacks as ok.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

I think the way it is phrased is a call to action rather than saying people do actually think a certain way because of the color of their skin. I think the sentences literally convey the idea that many of these folks do in fact think differently or are at least choosing not to lend their voice in protest (“We don’t need” in this context is understood by everyone to be the same as say that “we need all minorities to speak up against the bigotry that is directed at them”).


So, no, that is not bigoted/racist/homophobic by any standard. Maybe you don’t know what those words mean?

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My friend GL, you really need to rethink your answer again.

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Originally Posted by detltu

You don't think telling people they should think and act a certain way because of the color of their skin, their religion or their sexuality could be considered racist or homophobic or bigoted? Maybe only an athiest liberal would dismiss those attacks as ok.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

I think the way it is phrased is a call to action rather than saying people do actually think a certain way because of the color of their skin. I think the sentences literally convey the idea that many of these folks do in fact think differently or are at least choosing not to lend their voice in protest (“We don’t need” in this context is understood by everyone to be the same as say that “we need all minorities to speak up against the bigotry that is directed at them”).


So, no, that is not bigoted/racist/homophobic by any standard. Maybe you don’t know what those words mean?

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My friend GL, you really need to rethink your answer again.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

“We don’t need any more black faces that don’t want to be a brown voice.”

Direct translation: there are black people who are not wanting to speak up and provide their black perspective and that isn’t helping the situation.

“Black voice” is a concept from the late 80s early 90s in Critical Race Theory.

Sample of such discussions:

https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi...ty_scholarship

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Direct translation- " you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means"
More of an interpretation.

"If you’re not prepared to come to that table and represent that voice, don't come"

"Direct translation" - If you want to come to the table and represent your own voice, don't come - unless you are representing your sub category.

I see the article that you posted reflects your own thoughts on the matter. It goes off the rails pretty quickly. Just because you don't want to be categorized by your race/religion/nationality doesn't mean you want to be white. It could also mean that you want to stand on your own merits and not considered good but with a qualifier. If someone says I don't want to be considered the best American soccer player, I want to be the best soccer player.

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Originally Posted by detltu

Direct translation- " you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means"
More of an interpretation.

"If you’re not prepared to come to that table and represent that voice, don't come"

"Direct translation" - If you want to come to the table and represent your own voice, don't come - unless you are representing your sub category.

I see the article that you posted reflects your own thoughts on the matter. It goes off the rails pretty quickly. Just because you don't want to be categorized by your race/religion/nationality doesn't mean you want to be white. It could also mean that you want to stand on your own merits and not considered good but with a qualifier. If someone says I don't want to be considered the best American soccer player, I want to be the best soccer player.

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“Don’t want to be a ___ voice”. That means you aren’t sharing your ____ perspective. That is all. It doesn’t mean you are sharing a different viewpoint. It is a call to action to all minorities to share their perspective.

I posted that article to show “black voice” actually has a specific meaning “black perspective.” This is terminology that is used heavily by Critical Race Scholars, and is well understood by those that are into black activism. I am not saying I embrace everything that CR theorists say, but the language was a clear reference to it.

I doesn't matter. There can be multiple racists/racist statements and the existence of the others doesn't excuse any of them.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sin...igrants-asylum

Good for her.

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Originally Posted by techman05

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sin...igrants-asylum

Good for her.

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Who is against this?

Based on the article, looks like all but 3 liberals are either against it or silent. Please post your proof to the contrary.

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Originally Posted by techman05

Based on the article, looks like all but 3 liberals are either against it or silent. Please post your proof to the contrary.

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Based on the article, this is a pilot program of the DHS (an executive agency overseen by Trump). This bipartisan group is writing to Trump, Pence and the DHS head asking that they expand the program.

That doesn’t mean everyone that didn’t participate in the writing of the letter are against it. But it does raise the question, why hasn’t DHS already done this?

DHS has been screaming for help since Obama was locking kids up.

But the fact that you would miss this obvious post (as well as the fact that your same criticism would also apply to every Republican that didn’t write the letter) just shows that you are already cocked and loaded and ready to shoot at every Dem that moves or doesn’t. Maybe a little less FoxNews time would help.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

DHS has been screaming for help since Obama was locking kids up.

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Trump doesn’t want this problem to be solved. He wants it to be a campaign issue.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Trump doesn’t want this problem to be solved. He wants it to be a campaign issue.

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But for the obstructionist Democrats in congress, this problem would already be solved. It's those Democrats that you so admire that have again made it into a campaign issue.

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Originally Posted by brtransplant

But for the obstructionist Democrats in congress, this problem would already be solved. It's those Democrats that you so admire that have again made it into a campaign issue.

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How so? What have they obstructed that would solve this?

The Dems have supported more funding for judges to adjudicate the asylum cases more quickly. Remember?

https://www.apnews.com/e202cfbf409e4983a54d9fd5ac77b490

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Trump doesn’t want this problem to be solved. He wants it to be a campaign issue.

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IT IS THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE. THE DEMOCRATS DON'T WANT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM!!!! DEMOCRATS say,'Manufactured crises"!! DEMOCRATS won't vote for money to build the wall.....ETC., ETC..