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Biden handlers want Sleepy Joe to wear an ear phone so they can feed him information on how to answer questions. And they want several long breaks too. Trump needs neither. Clearly we see who is better qualified to be POTUS.
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What's the chance the debates take place? According to WaPo Biden camp had agreed to inspection for electronic devices (ear pieces) a week or so ago.. supposedly they are now saying no inspection. Biden's camp also wants breaks every 30 min.. Trump's camp is saying no.. I'm sure Biden's camp, if they cancel, will say that it is due to Trump's camp's unreasonable demands or somehow make it Trump's fault..
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FriscoDog
What's the chance the debates take place? According to WaPo Biden camp had agreed to inspection for electronic devices (ear pieces) a week or so ago.. supposedly they are now saying no inspection. Biden's camp also wants breaks every 30 min.. Trump's camp is saying no.. I'm sure Biden's camp, if they cancel, will say that it is due to Trump's camp's unreasonable demands or somehow make it Trump's fault..
You guys keep just love keeping your cranks out for yanking.
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Originally Posted by
Guisslapp
You guys keep just love keeping your cranks out for yanking.
Seems like you know more about this than anyone... Got something you need to share with the class??
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Originally Posted by
Guisslapp
You guys keep just love keeping your cranks out for yanking.
Ya mean it's possible to yank someone's crank!? :shocked2:
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New de-classified documents related to the Russian Collusion... interesting
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjGqZX3W...g&name=900x900
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FriscoDog
One of many smoking guns...
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Originally Posted by
dawg80
One of many smoking guns...
Smoking gun that Republicans are weaponizing intelligence for their political gain instead of using American intelligence for the benefit of America.
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Originally Posted by
Guisslapp
Smoking gun that Republicans are weaponizing intelligence for their political gain instead of using American intelligence for the benefit of America.
If the Obama administration would have used selective political declassification the way this admin is using it, there never would have been a Trump administration.
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Guisslapp
If the Obama administration would have used selective political declassification the way this admin is using it, there never would have been a Trump administration.
He used the IRS for shakedowns and his AG was the most corrupt ever
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Originally Posted by
PawDawg
He used the IRS for shakedowns and his AG was the most corrupt ever
This AG has his beat at corruptness by a country mile. The DOJ stepping into support Trump in a private lawsuit...someone needs to tell Barr the DOJ serves America’s interests, not Donald J Trump’s personal interests.
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Originally Posted by
Guisslapp
This AG has his beat at corruptness by a country mile. The DOJ stepping into support Trump in a private lawsuit...someone needs to tell Barr the DOJ serves America’s interests, not Donald J Trump’s personal interests.
He’s going to send your heros to jail. You should be happy that he’s going to wait until after the election to prosecute.
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PawDawg
He’s going to send your heros to jail. You should be happy that he’s going to wait until after the election to prosecute.
Might be too late...he better get busy!
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9pm start time is some bs.
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johnnylightnin
Might be too late...he better get busy!
not gonna happen. He will just do like the Democrats and slow play going into the elections. MSM won’t report on it anyway.
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JuBru
9pm start time is some bs.
Why? 8:00 Eastern isn’t fair to the left Coast. Hope it keeps me awake past 9:00
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Originally Posted by
PawDawg
Why? 8:00 Eastern isn’t fair to the left Coast. Hope it keeps me awake past 9:00
Because it's late. And it's my reading time before bed. And I can't have my popcorn and nachos to watch the train-wreck. And the west coast can deal with it as they always do.
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Trump to the white supremacist now-fascist Proud Boys: “Stand Back and Stand By.”
Sad moment for America.
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Originally Posted by
Guisslapp
Trump to the white supremacist now-fascist Proud Boys: “Stand Back and Stand By.”
Sad moment for America.
You are such a drama queen.
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Guisslapp
Who is Lanny Davis?
Dang you are young and must know zippo of the Klinton years.
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Originally Posted by
Guisslapp
Trump to the white supremacist now-fascist Proud Boys: “Stand Back and Stand By.”
Sad moment for America.
Nope. He told them to “stand down”.
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I bet the DNC won’t let Biden debate Trump again after dying on the vine tonight. Just watch!
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Originally Posted by
TYLERTECHSAS
Nope. He told them to “stand down”.
He told them to stand by, right? Bizarre, right there.
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Originally Posted by
TYLERTECHSAS
Nope. He told them to “stand down”.
Check the tape.
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Originally Posted by
Guisslapp
Trump to the white supremacist now-fascist Proud Boys: “Stand Back and Stand By.”
Sad moment for America.
Great moment for America and real Americans! I love it! We're not going to continue to allow you effing commie bastards to burn cities, attack people on the streets, destroy businesses, etc... The Proud Boys and other groups like them are lightweights. But, hopefully, will be enough to restore some order. If not, we'll bring out heavier artillery.
Of course, you did notice how that sorry piece of shit Chris Wallace didn't ask Biden to condemn BLM/Antifa. In fact, Wallace was on Biden's side. One of the best lines of the night was when Trump said to Wallace, I am debating you. Wallace, while a POS libtard, was better prepared and more coherent than poor ole Sleepy Joe.
Biden dumped on you far left commies last night!! Told y'all to take a hike. Sanders, AOC & Company pissed their panties when he did that.
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Originally Posted by
dawg80
Great moment for America and real Americans! I love it! We're not going to continue to allow you effing commie bastards to burn cities, attack people on the streets, destroy businesses, etc... The Proud Boys and other groups like them are lightweights. But, hopefully, will be enough to restore some order. If not, we'll bring out heavier artillery.
Of course, you did notice how that sorry piece of shit Chris Wallace didn't ask Biden to condemn BLM/Antifa. In fact, Wallace was on Biden's side. One of the best lines of the night was when Trump said to Wallace, I am debating you. Wallace, while a POS libtard, was better prepared and more coherent than poor ole Sleepy Joe.
Biden dumped on you far left commies last night!! Told y'all to take a hike. Sanders, AOC & Company pissed their panties when he did that.
Biden condemned violence once again.
Not sure why it is so hard for Trump to unequivocally condemn racists.
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Guisslapp
Biden condemned violence once again.
Not sure why it is so hard for Trump to unequivocally condemn racists.
Biden stumbled over it and anyway, it's only words. The leftist thugs are still out there and will congregate again, wherever the left's dollars send them.
As for Trump, like many of us, he refuses to play the left's game.
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Virtually everything Biden said was a lie or a contradiction of his previous position. Trump would have been better served letting Biden talk and then pointing out his lies rather than trying to talk over him so much. There were many times when Trump could have nailed Biden but failed to take advantage of the opportunity.
I thought it was a low blow to ask Trump about Charlottesville, when he has already clearly condemned white supremacy, but not ask Biden about BLM or his son’s ties to Ukraine, China, and Russia. But overall, I didn’t think Wallace was that bad.
I don’t think the debate helped either of them with undecided voters and I doubt it changed many people’s minds.
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Did anyone else notice that when Biden reached inside his jacket on the right shoulder that he exposed a wire. I bet he was wearing a wireless ear piece?
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Yes, Trump helped Biden out of a bunch of holes last night. Wallace was already running interference for Slow Joe, and Trump jumps in and bails Biden out. Trump could have won the debate last night since the facts are on his side, but he couldn't help being himself and ended up rescuing Biden. Now the Biden camp is floating the idea of cancelling the next two debates.
Suggestion for future debates: place the combatants in isolated rooms and the moderator controls their mics. That will stop the interruptions of each other. The debaters can hear what each other, and the moderator, is saying but can only be heard when their mic is on.
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Biden has a commercial running saying on Day 1 of his presidency he will order the production of masks and other PPEs to fight the China virus...I am not making this up. It just ran as I was typing the post above.
So! Biden is telling us that in late January, 2021 HE WILL provide for the manufacture of masks...guess Sleepy Joe hasn't been in a Walmart recently. They have so many masks that they are ON SALE in the central aisle!!! Not only is Biden out of touch, so too are his handlers. How could they not know that "masks" is very, very, very old news?
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Didn’t Wallace mention Kenosha when he brought up Charlottesville? Was he implying Rittenhouse is a white supremacist? Someone needs to ask him about that.
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Originally Posted by
glm47
Did anyone else notice that when Biden reached inside his jacket on the right shoulder that he exposed a wire. I bet he was wearing a wireless ear piece?
Yes
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Originally Posted by
TYLERTECHSAS
Yes
Interesting.
BET founder Robert Johnson suggests his vote won't go to Biden
https://www.foxnews.com/media/bet-fo...il-i-dont-know
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Originally Posted by
glm47
Virtually everything Biden said was a lie or a contradiction of his previous position. Trump would have been better served letting Biden talk and then pointing out his lies rather than trying to talk over him so much. There were many times when Trump could have nailed Biden but failed to take advantage of the opportunity.
I thought it was a low blow to ask Trump about Charlottesville, when he has already clearly condemned white supremacy, but not ask Biden about BLM or his son’s ties to Ukraine, China, and Russia. But overall, I didn’t think Wallace was that bad.
I don’t think the debate helped either of them with undecided voters and I doubt it changed many people’s minds.
Yep, one of the many lies of Sleepy Joe last night.
Biden says he doesn't support Green New Deal. His website says otherwise
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...cial-framework
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Originally Posted by
TYLERTECHSAS
He believes the Green New Deal is a “crucial framework” and then he identifies what the framework is...the teamwork “captures two basic truths, which are at the core of his plan: (1) the United States urgently needs to embrace greater ambition on an epic scale to meet the scope of this challenge, and (2) our environment and our economy are completely and totally connected.” But the Green New Deal is not the plan he supports. He has his own plan.
This really isn’t that hard to follow.
Trump was the one lying last night.
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johnnylightnin
so, um, i would publicly mock creflo dollar. i'd say it's a good sign if trump is mocking him privately.
it's a long article, and i didn't read it all, but what's the point? he's done plenty in public for christians to be concerned about. i don't see how this is newsworthy.
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Guisslapp
He believes the Green New Deal is a “crucial framework” and then he identifies what the framework is...the teamwork “captures two basic truths, which are at the core of his plan: (1) the United States urgently needs to embrace greater ambition on an epic scale to meet the scope of this challenge, and (2) our environment and our economy are completely and totally connected.” But the Green New Deal is not the plan he supports. He has his own plan.
This really isn’t that hard to follow.
Trump was the one lying last night.
biden conveniently has a plan for everything, which is exactly what the country needs, but he can't tell you the details. but rest assured, it's not that crazy plan that you don't like. it's a much better plan. but one that "embraces greater ambition on an epic scale", which is really good. for real.
sounds exactly like someone else about 4 years ago.
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Originally Posted by
arkansasbob
biden conveniently has a plan for everything, which is exactly what the country needs, but he can't tell you the details. but rest assured, it's not that crazy plan that you don't like. it's a much better plan. but one that "embraces greater ambition on an epic scale", which is really good. for real.
sounds exactly like someone else about 4 years ago.
Except without the incompetence, vanity and divisiveness. And that is what really counts.
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Guisslapp
Except without the incompetence, vanity and divisiveness. And that is what really counts.
Sure thing little buddy.. while you are at it, can you tell us that Biden did not say , if you vote for Trump, you ain't black?
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Originally Posted by
FriscoDog
Sure thing little buddy.. while you are at it, can you tell us that Biden did not say , if you vote for Trump, you ain't black?
Well, he has that right for some of us. I'm voting for Trump and I ain't black.
I hope Trump will follow the good advice he is getting for the next two debates and allow Biden to babble on. Of course, the so-called "moderators" will cover for Biden, just as Wallace did, only worse.
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Originally Posted by
dawg80
Well, he has that right for some of us. I'm voting for Trump and I ain't black.
I hope Trump will follow the good advice he is getting for the next two debates and allow Biden to babble on. Of course, the so-called "moderators" will cover for Biden, just as Wallace did, only worse.
If I heard the television correctly last night, I believe they said that the next "moderator" was a former intern for Biden, and another democratic senator. I'm sure he has no political bias at all.. My wife, who has not been political at all, watched the first debate the other night, even more closely than I did. I didn't say or make any comments other than a comment about how they were both talking over each other. The next day, on NBC, they talked about the debate and showed clips, set up stories etc. She was watching that, and kept saying "that's not right", or "why didn't they play Biden saying ___" She basically became red pilled on how biased the MSM is... glad she reached that decision on her own.
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So, Biden and his camp say it is unfair to ask about his SC nominees' list and to ask him to give some details about all his "plans," but they bristle at Trump's camp for refusing to "recite after me..." when the lamestream media tries to plant words in the president's mouth. Yeah, I get it, it's just the commie media dutifully following their marching orders. Still...
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Originally Posted by
dawg80
So, Biden and his camp say it is unfair to ask about his SC nominees' list and to ask him to give some details about all his "plans," but they bristle at Trump's camp for refusing to "recite after me..." when the lamestream media tries to plant words in the president's mouth. Yeah, I get it, it's just the commie media dutifully following their marching orders. Still...
3 Reporters pressed Joe today about packing the courts or not.. He refused to answer.. This is what you have.. a person running for POTUS, who refuses to talk about his positions. He is saying that Trump nominating ACB to the court is unconstitutional and illegitimate, which is nothing but a complete lie..
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Originally Posted by
FriscoDog
3 Reporters pressed Joe today about packing the courts or not.. He refused to answer.. This is what you have.. a person running for POTUS, who refuses to talk about his positions. He is saying that Trump nominating ACB to the court is unconstitutional and illegitimate, which is nothing but a complete lie..
He'd be wrong about that. But, it's also not unconstitutional or illegitimate to "pack" the court. Once the might makes right train gets rolling, it's pretty tough to stop.
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Some of you younger folks could end up serving on the SC some day. After years (decades) of each side packing the court, when in power, who knows how large it'll get!
In the near future I foresee a headline like this: By a margin of 1,530 to 1,470 today the Supreme Court ruled....
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Originally Posted by
FriscoDog
3 Reporters pressed Joe today about packing the courts or not.. He refused to answer.. This is what you have.. a person running for POTUS, who refuses to talk about his positions. He is saying that Trump nominating ACB to the court is unconstitutional and illegitimate, which is nothing but a complete lie..
He didn’t say it was unconstitutional. Quit being such a drama queen. He gave an opinion about what the founders wanted. It is just political speak.
It is smart not to answer the question. Besides it’s not something that needs to be decided yet.
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Originally Posted by
Guisslapp
He didn’t say it was unconstitutional. Quit being such a drama queen. He gave an opinion about what the founders wanted. It is just political speak.
It is smart not to answer the question. Besides it’s not something that needs to be decided yet.
Right because the vast majority of American's don't want the size of the court increased, including the late RGB..
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Originally Posted by
FriscoDog
Right because the vast majority of American's don't want the size of the court increased, including the late RGB..
Most Americans also think the next president should appoint RBG’s replacement, too.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...oll-finds/amp/
Republicans thought the same thing when Garland was up for nomination.
Makes no sense to Biden to take a position on it now, when a variety of circumstances will weigh into his decision as to whether to do it, and those circumstances aren’t known yet.
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Originally Posted by
dawg80
Some of you younger folks could end up serving on the SC some day. After years (decades) of each side packing the court, when in power, who knows how large it'll get!
In the near future I foresee a headline like this: By a margin of 1,530 to 1,470 today the Supreme Court ruled....
Admittedly, a 300+ million person Supreme Court would be interesting.
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Our sorry governor in TX has decided to suppress the vote by limiting mail in drop boxes to ONE per county.
Harris County has 4.7 MILLION people over 1.7 THOUSAND square miles. 1 drop box. BS.
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Originally Posted by
Guisslapp
Our sorry governor in TX has decided to suppress the vote by limiting mail in drop boxes to ONE per county.
Harris County has 4.7 MILLION people over 1.7 THOUSAND square miles. 1 drop box. BS.
Wasn't Biden's guy in Harris County just implicated in a ballot harvesting scheme?
Why should it be easy to make this happen?
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Originally Posted by
DawgyNWindow
Wasn't Biden's guy in Harris County just implicated in a ballot harvesting scheme?
Why should it be easy to make this happen?
I think you could staff more than 1 box for a city the size of Houston.
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Originally Posted by
Guisslapp
I think you could staff more than 1 box for a city the size of Houston.
But it isn’t in his interest to make it more convenient for blue cities to vote.
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Originally Posted by
DawgyNWindow
Wasn't Biden's guy in Harris County just implicated in a ballot harvesting scheme?
Why should it be easy to make this happen?
Not exactly.
And are you seriously asking why it should be easier to vote?
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I didn't realize drop box voting was the only way to vote in Texas.
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Making America so great that voter suppression is the only way to get re-elected!
😂
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Originally Posted by
johnnylightnin
Making America so great that voter suppression is the only way to get re-elected!
Suppressed because they can't get to the voting booths? They can get their fat asses to the hover rounds at Walmart. They can get to the voting booth.
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Originally Posted by
PawDawg
Suppressed because they can't get to the voting booths? They can get their fat asses to the hover rounds at Walmart. They can get to the voting booth.
The party of making it harder to vote...I thought this guy was supposed to be a winner.
Loser tactics...
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Originally Posted by
johnnylightnin
The party of making it harder to vote...I thought this guy was supposed to be a winner.
Loser tactics...
Mail in ballots...right. How do you know it's easier. It's never been done until it seemed like possible way cheat and beat Trump. No problems brewing there. Just go to the voting booth. It's not difficult.
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Originally Posted by
PawDawg
Mail in ballots...right. How do you know it's easier. It's never been done until it seemed like possible way cheat and beat Trump. No problems brewing there. Just go to the voting booth. It's not difficult.
No evidence...just excuses. Sort of the story of Trump’s life when you think about it.
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Originally Posted by
PawDawg
Suppressed because they can't get to the voting booths? They can get their fat asses to the hover rounds at Walmart. They can get to the voting booth.
They...Lord help us.
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Originally Posted by
Guisslapp
He believes the Green New Deal is a “crucial framework” and then he identifies what the framework is...the teamwork “captures two basic truths, which are at the core of his plan: (1) the United States urgently needs to embrace greater ambition on an epic scale to meet the scope of this challenge, and (2) our environment and our economy are completely and totally connected.” But the Green New Deal is not the plan he supports. He has his own plan.
This really isn’t that hard to follow.
Trump was the one lying last night.
What a load of baby poop.
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Originally Posted by
turbodawg
They...Lord help us.
Yep, They...
They can go to Walmart with the entire family in tow an NOT distance. Get out of your bubble and observe those who you defend.
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PawDawg
Yep, They...
They can go to Walmart with the entire family in tow an NOT distance. Get out of your bubble and observe those who you defend.
Not defending anyone.
Can you describe ‘they’ just a little more so I’m sure I understand where you’re coming from?
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Originally Posted by
turbodawg
Not defending anyone.
Can you describe ‘they’ just a little more so I’m sure I understand where you’re coming from?
I know your little tricks to find racism in every statement you disapprove of. I never mentioned skin color. Sorry to disappoint you , but the problem is cultural not racial.
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Originally Posted by
PawDawg
I know your little tricks to find racism in every statement you disapprove of. I never mentioned skin color. Sorry to disappoint you , but the problem is cultural not racial.
Cultural? that's code for race! You're a racist!!! :shocked2:
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Originally Posted by
JuBru
Not exactly.
And are you seriously asking why it should be easier to vote?
Easier to cheat is more like it.
Since the living room has now become the polling place and polling day has become any day the voter decides to fill out his/her ballot, why do electioneering guidelines not apply to the domicile of the voter? This "easy" system is ripe for abuse.
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Originally Posted by
PawDawg
I know your little tricks to find racism in every statement you disapprove of. I never mentioned skin color. Sorry to disappoint you , but the problem is cultural not racial.
What are you talking about?
They is the peopleofwalmart, then?
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There is NO DOUBT the Dems will cheat, and there is NO DOUBT that this mail-in ballot crap will make it far easier for them to do so. The question is, can they get away with enough of it to change the election results? The Dems will definitely steal some offices, at the state level and probably some House seats as well, as they did in 2018. But, can they pull off the biggest heist in history and steal the WH too? We'll see...
The little moooslim bitch in Minnysoda has been implicated in a vote-stealing scheme. Of course it is true, even as the lamestream media and the DNC try to cover it up.
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I can't possibly see how Trump can lose in an honest election. My reasoning for this is this: Never in my lifetime have I seen the level of support for the current POTUS as I have seen examples of this year. There have been dozens of boat parades with hundreds of boats in them, Trump parades, Trump merchandise everywhere. I hardly ever see a Biden sign or sticker on a car. I also believe that there is a huge under represented level of support for Trump that is not seen with signs, stickers etc. If you look at the rally, Trump has 10-20K Biden has 10-20. Even at his whistle stop tour after the debate, there were really not that many people that showed up. The VP debate will be very interesting to watch.
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Originally Posted by
FriscoDog
I can't possibly see how Trump can lose in an honest election. My reasoning for this is this: Never in my lifetime have I seen the level of support for the current POTUS as I have seen examples of this year. There have been dozens of boat parades with hundreds of boats in them, Trump parades, Trump merchandise everywhere. I hardly ever see a Biden sign or sticker on a car. I also believe that there is a huge under represented level of support for Trump that is not seen with signs, stickers etc. If you look at the rally, Trump has 10-20K Biden has 10-20. Even at his whistle stop tour after the debate, there were really not that many people that showed up. The VP debate will be very interesting to watch.
Maybe Trump just attracts that “I like to stick stickers and flags on my stuff” crowd.
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Originally Posted by
Guisslapp
Maybe Trump just attracts that “I like to stick stickers and flags on my stuff” crowd.
I do not have one Trump flag or sticker.. I do have an American Flag flying outside my house.. I guess that's enough to say who I am voting for.
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😁
President Donald Trump now leads Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden in the national popular vote by one point, according to the Sunday Express/Democracy Institute Poll released on Sunday.
The poll found that 46 percent of likely voters nationwide support Trump while 45 percent support Biden.
The poll of 1,500 likely voters was conducted between September 30 and October 2 and has a margin of error of 2.5 percent, which means the results indicate a statistical tie between Trump and Biden. The poll surveyed voters in the wake the first presidential debate between Trump and Biden on September 29. Trump announced that he tested positive for Chinese coronavirus in the early hours of Friday, October 2, the last day of the poll.
With four weeks and two days until the November 3, 2020, general election, the poll results provide encouraging news to the Trump campaign after the announcement early Friday morning that the president had been diagnosed with Chinese coronavirus and is currently hospitalized and being treated at Walter Reed Hospital.
More
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-elect...-popular-vote/
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Originally Posted by
FriscoDog
I do not have one Trump flag or sticker.. I do have an American Flag flying outside my house.. I guess that's enough to say who I am voting for.
Yes it is!
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GS says a blue wave in November would improve their economic forecasts.
https://markets.businessinsider.com/...-10-1029649255
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Originally Posted by
FriscoDog
I can't possibly see how Trump can lose in an honest election.
Really?
I mean, your reasoning is that among his supporters he is very popular, and I agree that his big fans are unsettlingly and uncritically all-in. But the level of opposition has to be among the highest you've ever seen as well. Not to mention the wobbly, begrudging support from the "voting against Hilary" people. In any case, that's all anecdotal, right?
He's behind in most polls (other than the ones Tyler posts from, let's say, somewhat less than neutral sources). He didn't win popular vote last time. His overall popularity has consistently polled pretty low.
I'm not saying he won't win. That's certainly a possibility. But "can't possibly see how Trump can lose" is a surprising stance. He's predicted to lose.
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Re: Presidential Election 2020
I have posted many times, had Biden been the Dem nominee in 2016 he would have won...and probably fairly easily. There was a HUGE anti-Killary vote and anti-Killary, "I am gonna stay home and not vote" movement. This was enough to switch several states in the so-called "blue wall" to Trump. Krooked Killary was rejected by Americans, and thank God for that.
But, that was then, this is now. The ONLY wildcard is how much confidence do the "about 15% of the voting populace" have that Biden is truly more a moderate and won't be yanked to the extreme left by Sanders(Soros), Inc.? That 15% of voters are spread across about 5 or 6 battleground states, and they will decide this election. If enough think Biden is in charge and will reject the more radical leftist policies, he will win their votes, those states, and the election.
If Biden wins, it will be a sad day for America and for the free world. But, we have survived trying times before...hell, we just survived 8 years of obummer! The truth is The Swamp will be saved with a Biden win, and The Swamp wants status quo, and that means they will not tolerate this country being dragged too far left.
As for the election, well, to win Trump needs a landslide at the polls to overcome the cheating the Dems will do. I just don't see that happening. If anything the REAL vote will be close and that means the Dems will be able to easily cheat enough to change the results in key states. It's also a possibility, given what the 15% key voters do, this election won't be very close...if they over-whelmingly swing one way or the other. More likely, though, those 15% voters will go about 55-45 for one of the candidates, leaving the overall results, nationwide, fairly close.
The polls are mostly useless. That was proven in 2016. But, what is a reality in 2020 is there is a strong anti-Trump vote pending. It would be stupid to cite the 2016 anti-Killary vote as a reason for those results and then brush off the same phenomenon in 2020. It is a real factor.
If I had to bet, and I won't! as it stands right now, I would predict a Biden win.
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I am closer to you Dawg80 than the others. I am different in that I think polling and predictive methodologies improve when they encounter unexpected things like what happened in 2016. The only reason to completely throw out the polls is to support the narrative that Trump is winning. He likely isn't and this election is likely already won for Biden for most of the reasons you spelled out above. Louisiana, Texas, the south and Trump country are not deciding this election. Lawn signs in the midwest are not determining this election. The blue wall states are and Trump is polling very well in those states. That does not bode well for camp Trump.
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Re: Presidential Election 2020
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inudesu
Really?
I mean, your reasoning is that among his supporters he is very popular, and I agree that his big fans are unsettlingly and uncritically all-in. But the level of opposition has to be among the highest you've ever seen as well. Not to mention the wobbly, begrudging support from the "voting against Hilary" people. In any case, that's all anecdotal, right?
He's behind in most polls (other than the ones Tyler posts from, let's say, somewhat less than neutral sources). He didn't win popular vote last time. His overall popularity has consistently polled pretty low.
I'm not saying he won't win. That's certainly a possibility. But "can't possibly see how Trump can lose" is a surprising stance. He's predicted to lose.
I have no faith in the polls anymore, especially after 2016. All of the major pollsters had Hillary winning by double digits minimum. NYT had Hillary at 93% chance of winning day before election. Maybe the pollsters have figured it out this time around. I have never answered a poll either way, as I don't want to take the time. It's never just a simple one question poll.
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weunice
I am closer to you Dawg80 than the others. I am different in that I think polling and predictive methodologies improve when they encounter unexpected things like what happened in 2016. The only reason to completely throw out the polls is to support the narrative that Trump is winning. He likely isn't and this election is likely already won for Biden for most of the reasons you spelled out above. Louisiana, Texas, the south and Trump country are not deciding this election. Lawn signs in the midwest are not determining this election. The blue wall states are and Trump is polling very well in those states. That does not bode well for camp Trump.
I assume you meant to say Biden is polling very well...
Yeah, if one were to take the polls as Gospel, this race is over. If the polls prove to be correct this time, it'll be not only a popular vote win for Biden but an EC landslide. Some of polls focused along demographic lines, like age, have Biden leading something like 62-35% with very little undecideds. Even if you say, well, that poll has some error in it, and polls tend to under-capture Trump supporters, no way will that account for a nearly 30-point advantage. Polls are not off by such a margin.
Hopefully, the GOP can narrowly hold on to the Senate...that's the free world's only chance.
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FriscoDog
I have no faith in the polls anymore, especially after 2016. All of the major pollsters had Hillary winning by double digits minimum. NYT had Hillary at 93% chance of winning day before election. Maybe the pollsters have figured it out this time around. I have never answered a poll either way, as I don't want to take the time. It's never just a simple one question poll.
The polls were not that off in 2016: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...ts_132333.html
The final FiveThirtyEight poll was within 2% points of what the popular vote ended up being.
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FriscoDog
I have no faith in the polls anymore, especially after 2016. All of the major pollsters had Hillary winning by double digits minimum. NYT had Hillary at 93% chance of winning day before election. Maybe the pollsters have figured it out this time around. I have never answered a poll either way, as I don't want to take the time. It's never just a simple one question poll.
I saw an interesting article recently about how relatively recent in our history halfway accurate polling even is - and therefore having one bad year doesn't mean the whole idea is flawed. I know that places like 538 that do the high level predicting have spent a lot of the last 4 years trying to improve their model (and I think they are percentage based anyway - they did give Trump a chance in the last election, it's just that it was like 30% or something). In our electoral college system national polls are all but useless, it seems like you need a system for compiling more local information into the bigger picture.
I think it's probably like vegas is for sports. They won't get it right all the time, but it's not a good idea to pick against them very often. In this case, I think Biden will win. But I also think Trump could win. I could see either outcome happening, and I think that despite what whichever side that loses will say, I think the elections here are generally aboveboard.
I wish we had a multi-party, tiered-voting system (which would really make these predictive polls tough), but we don't. And I suspect (as a non-expert) that the predictive modeling has improved over 2016 to the point of being much more accurate, which would place Biden squarely in the lead, but leave Trump plenty chance of winning as well.
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Originally Posted by
inudesu
I saw an interesting article recently about how relatively recent in our history halfway accurate polling even is - and therefore having one bad year doesn't mean the whole idea is flawed. I know that places like 538 that do the high level predicting have spent a lot of the last 4 years trying to improve their model (and I think they are percentage based anyway - they did give Trump a chance in the last election, it's just that it was like 30% or something). In our electoral college system national polls are all but useless, it seems like you need a system for compiling more local information into the bigger picture.
I think it's probably like vegas is for sports. They won't get it right all the time, but it's not a good idea to pick against them very often. In this case, I think Biden will win. But I also think Trump could win. I could see either outcome happening, and I think that despite what whichever side that loses will say, I think the elections here are generally aboveboard.
I wish we had a multi-party, tiered-voting system (which would really make these predictive polls tough), but we don't. And I suspect (as a non-expert) that the predictive modeling has improved over 2016 to the point of being much more accurate, which would place Biden squarely in the lead, but leave Trump plenty chance of winning as well.
And, for comparison, the away team in the NFL wins about 30% of time.
Here's 538 on the accuracy of the 2016 polling: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...are-all-right/
The issue with local polling is that it varies so much in quality and process. The national polling isn't super helpful...unless you get to a certain threshold where the national numbers are insurmountable.
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Yes, FiveThirtyEight gave Trump a 29% chance last time. Their projection is 17% currently which is down from 33% at the end of August. Trumps support has fallen dramatically since the debate. People who think that Trump has this in the bag are deluding themselves.
Still 17% is possible but if you are a Biden fan or an anti-Trumper you have to feel pretty good right now.
You will note, that in 2016, Clinton was up to near 90% with a few months to go before the Trump train got rolling. I think folks are already decided. I see very few shifts at this point. If this election is a moratorium on Trump, people already know who he is and who they are pulling that lever for on election day.
Dawg80, yes I meant Biden in that previous post.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...tion-forecast/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...tion-forecast/
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New Jersey postal worker arrested after discarding nearly 100 ballots
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New Jersey postal worker arrested after allegedly discarding nearly 100 ballots
By Noah David Alter
October 7, 2020
A US Postal Service worker in New Jersey has been arrested after allegedly discarding nearly 100 mail-in ballots.
1,875 pieces of mail were retrieved from a dumpster in North Arlington and West Orange, New Jersey, on October 2nd and 5th according to ABC 7. Nicholas Beauchene, a 26-year-old from nearby Kearny, was charged with one count of obstruction of mail and another count of delay, secretion, or rejection of mail. The recovered pieces of mail included 99 ballots for the upcoming US Presidential election.
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Beauchene, who faces up to five and a half years in prison and over $250,000 USD in fines if convicted on both counts, was the only mail carrier assigned to the addresses to which the recovered mail was addressed on the days they were to be delivered.
The discarded mail was discovered by New Jersey resident Howard Dinger, who said he found the mail in a dumpster behind a bank
This cannot be true.. CNN, MSNBC, Democratic Leadership and members on this board have assured us that this does not take place.
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FriscoDog
New Jersey postal worker arrested after discarding nearly 100 ballots
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New Jersey postal worker arrested after allegedly discarding nearly 100 ballots
By Noah David Alter
October 7, 2020
A US Postal Service worker in New Jersey has been arrested after allegedly discarding nearly 100 mail-in ballots.
1,875 pieces of mail were retrieved from a dumpster in North Arlington and West Orange, New Jersey, on October 2nd and 5th according to ABC 7. Nicholas Beauchene, a 26-year-old from nearby Kearny, was charged with one count of obstruction of mail and another count of delay, secretion, or rejection of mail. The recovered pieces of mail included 99 ballots for the upcoming US Presidential election.
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Beauchene, who faces up to five and a half years in prison and over $250,000 USD in fines if convicted on both counts, was the only mail carrier assigned to the addresses to which the recovered mail was addressed on the days they were to be delivered.
The discarded mail was discovered by New Jersey resident Howard Dinger, who said he found the mail in a dumpster behind a bank
This cannot be true.. CNN, MSNBC, Democratic Leadership and members on this board have assured us that this does not take place.
What did we say doesn’t happen?
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Trump backs out of the second debate. I believe this is what English professors call irony.
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Okay, opinions on John Durham refusing to release his report prior to the election?
Most people seem to think his report will be damaging to Biden, and of course, those supporting Trump are crying foul. Durham claims he doesn't want his report to influence the election, but by not releasing it he is: influencing the election. Then there are a few who ask, what if the report is NOT damaging to Biden, might even exonerate him? Therefore, again, Durham is influencing the election.
My position is this, and has been very consistent, no way should elections ever be considered, a concern, for the government to perform its function(s) and for officials to do their jobs. I said this when the issue of a couple of GOP Senators involved in close re-election bids re: filling the SC seat. I posted I don't give a damn about any politician's career concerns. Eff 'em all! Lose your election, oh well, go out and get a real job and try to live by the stupid laws you have imposed on the rest of us.
Durham should be compelled to release his report now, or go to jail. Period. He doesn't have the authority to withhold pertinent information from the American people. No one voted for him and certainly no one made him a king.
And I say this even understanding that it is very possible his report will aid Biden's election bid.
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Pelosi and her ilk are drumming up 25th Amendment crapola. The obvious reason is to try to remove Trump from office, now and/or after Trump is re-elected. But...while that is probably true...the Left is also positioning itself to remove Biden from office if he is elected! They want a radical lib, Harris, as POTUS. Joe better watch his back.
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50,000 ballots sent to the wrong people in Ohio. Now, you might say, well, they caught it and can correct it in time. Yeah, Ohio can on that batch. But, what about others and what about other states we haven't heard about...yet. I will say this with absolute certainty, the losing side will have plenty of ammo to challenge any and all mail-in ballot tallies. The ironic thing will be Biden/the Dems crying foul and claiming there was fraud, mistakes, miscounts, etc...in the mail-in ballots. Then they and their, ahem, surrogates, will predictably blame Trump/GOP.
"We knew mail-in ballots was just a travesty waiting to happen," Pelosi/Schumer/Biden will say. And the lamestream media will cover for 'em saying the Dems warned against mail-in ballots and it was Trump that pushed for them.
The Ohio boondoggle is the largest, but hardly not the only, "hiccup" in mail-in ballots...so far.
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dawg80
50,000 ballots sent to the wrong people in Ohio. Now, you might say, well, they caught it and can correct it in time. Yeah, Ohio can on that batch. But, what about others and what about other states we haven't heard about...yet. I will say this with absolute certainty, the losing side will have plenty of ammo to challenge any and all mail-in ballot tallies. The ironic thing will be Biden/the Dems crying foul and claiming there was fraud, mistakes, miscounts, etc...in the mail-in ballots. Then they and their, ahem, surrogates, will predictably blame Trump/GOP.
"We knew mail-in ballots was just a travesty waiting to happen," Pelosi/Schumer/Biden will say. And the lamestream media will cover for 'em saying the Dems warned against mail-in ballots and it was Trump that pushed for them.
The Ohio boondoggle is the largest, but hardly not the only, "hiccup" in mail-in ballots...so far.
Weren’t these absentee ballots? I thought Trump was a fan of absentee ballots.
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Guisslapp
Weren’t these absentee ballots? I thought Trump was a fan of absentee ballots.
Does it matter? The point is a state voter registrar's office made a HUGE mistake. That's the point.
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dawg80
Does it matter? The point is a state voter registrar's office made a HUGE mistake. That's the point.
Figures that it would happen in a Republican led state.
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Guisslapp
Figures that it would happen in a Republican led state.
Well I hope they make a huge mistake and Trump gets enough votes to carry Ohio. What other "Republican led state" can we guarantee a Trump win?
And, BTW, your references to "Republican" anything doesn't matter to me. It's your pal johnny who cares about the GOP. Not me. I am anti-Swamp...period.
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Guisslapp
Our sorry governor in TX has decided to suppress the vote by limiting mail in drop boxes to ONE per county.
Harris County has 4.7 MILLION people over 1.7 THOUSAND square miles. 1 drop box. BS.
Fortunately a federal judge agreed with me and found this unnecessarily restrictive.