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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
DACA.
It's already burnt.
I have a bigger issue with him banning bump stocks by executive order. That is where everyone should be upset. That is as bad as DACA.
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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
DACA.
It's already burnt.
I have a bigger issue with him banning bump stocks by executive order. That is where everyone should be upset. That is as bad as DACA.
Not nearly the same thing. DACA was just a regular executive order not involving appropriations. It was not done under the National Emergency Act. Not even close comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Much worse actually. It was single handedly deciding which of the laws written by the legislative branch were to be enforced. Picking and choosing law based on which ones you agree with is what being a dictator is all about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Your local law enforcement officers exercise prosecutorial discretion everyday.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Yeah. So what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
If this is the way you think, you should have no issue with what Trump is doing. He is just exercising discretion.
I still don't understand why this wasn't passed in Trump's first two years with total Republican control. It is almost like he wanted to pick this fight now...and it is almost like he wants this to go to court. I just can't figure out why.
Regardless, this is certainly opening Pandora's Box. Unfortunately, Republicans in general would like things to stay how they are and the Democrats want society to move way to the left, which means the Republicans would have far fewer things to use a newfound "national emergency" power on. The Democrats will have a field day with this if it is allowed.
Personally, I think John Roberts is going to have a defining moment and save us all from moving towards an unchecked office of the President by being the deciding 5-4 vote to shut this down.
John Roberts has already been defined by voting for Obamacare. We know who he doesn't care about.Quote:
Originally Posted by zharkins
Trump enjoys the political theater. This was his only face saving move once he painted himself into a corner. And this will give him another chance to throw red meat to his base when he criticizes the judges for shutting this down.Quote:
Originally Posted by zharkins
If the President has discretionary funds, and the authority to spend them as he sees fit, then no - I dont take issue . I may question the wisdom of the decision, but not the legality.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Having said that -- I think an important distinction between the wall & DACA (or your local cop letting you off with a warning), is that this decision represents the executive doing MORE than what was authorized by the governing body whereas DACA was characterized by acting LESS than authorized.
Nope, you cannot be a homer and make illogical arguments to make it OK when your side does it, and then oppose it vehemently when the other side does it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
Under your theory of prosecutorial discretion, you'd be OK with Trump saying these DACA folks are the #1 priority for being arrested and deported, right? This is under the theory that Obama was the lead prosecutor or something like that?
You cannot be FOR one and AGAINST the other on Constitutional grounds. It's highly hypocritical.
This bridge has been crossed. Just like the bridge of having a scumbag in the White House that cheats on his wife and takes advantage of women. It seemed OK to the left when it was Kennedy, Roosevelt and Clinton....now they are horrified.
So you supported DACA?Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
You love to bring up logic, so surely you’re aware that showing one side to be hypocritical is not the same thing as showing them to be wrong.
The right seems to be taking the posture that, because the dems try and dictate things that the right should follow their play-book. That is, by definition, hypocritical (I'm okay saying that they're all hypocrites). It's a foolish strategy for a number of reasons, but chief among them is the fact that their base is demographically shrinking while their opponents base is demographically growing. The wall doesn't change that. The proper course of action was to be ideologically pure and make their case to a wider group of people. Instead, they've chosen to play ONLY to base and isolate everybody else. These short term "wins" will be used to beat them to death in the very near future.
It's the definition of cutting off their nose to spite the dems. But man, those tweets are entertaining!
I believe I responded to you at one point that I was against Trump using a national emergency to get these funds. No gotcha here.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Go back to your tribe.
YOU ARE WRONG.
I'm wrong about what? If you were against using a national emergency, then we're both right.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Because you were FOR DACA and sanctuary cities and all those things contrary to our laws created by the legislative branches.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
You even argued at one point that following our laws under our Constitution was akin to some biblical group adhering to Mosaic law.
Our laws were not created by Moses. Your beliefs are not the same as everyone else's. I do not believe as you do. If, however, you can get your beliefs into some sort of law that is Constitutional, I am required to follow it. I cannot decide to not follow some laws and follow others, because in a society that is as non-homogeneous as ours, our laws are all we have. It is the cost of diversity. It is the tyranny of the majority.
I am against both DACA and using emergency funds for a wall (was against having the government telling me I had to get insurance through the marketplace as well). But to have you on here saying this executive over-reach is somehow monumental is rather laughable. Maybe this time is isn't going your way so you are finally paying attention.
Now we have to address the fact that non-elected bureaucrats were plotting a coup to overthrow a Constitutionally elected president. You can say this doesn't bother you because it was Trump...but as you see now it doesn't always go your way.