Immigration

I'm not moving anyone's cheese, my position has always been zero tolerance for ILLEGAL immigration.

As for legal immigration my position is, we are a nation of immigrants, but given current circumstances with the dangerous China virus, which so many people, especially the lefties here, claim is the single most important issue we face, it makes sense to greatly control/reduce immigration. Then, even after the virus is defeated...thanks to Trump's Operation Warp Speed...I think we need to become more choosey in who we allow to immigrate here. Those who will become contributing, law-abiding, tax paying citizens are welcome. And not just because someone is willing to pick strawberries or flip burgers.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

I'm not moving anyone's cheese, my position has always been zero tolerance for ILLEGAL immigration.

As for legal immigration my position is, we are a nation of immigrants, but given current circumstances with the dangerous China virus, which so many people, especially the lefties here, claim is the single most important issue we face, it makes sense to greatly control/reduce immigration. Then, even after the virus is defeated...thanks to Trump's Operation Warp Speed...I think we need to become more choosey in who we allow to immigrate here. Those who will become contributing, law-abiding, tax paying citizens are welcome. And not just because someone is willing to pick strawberries or flip burgers.

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Sure you did. Indesu was talking about refugees, not "illegals".

Your position on illegals is wrong too. Our tolerance should end when the "problem" costs more than the "cure". Zero tolerance is like a major company that wastes time policing office supply theft, ultimately reducing productivity.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

Sure you did. Indesu was talking about refugees, not "illegals".

Your position on illegals is wrong too. Our tolerance should end when the "problem" costs more than the "cure". Zero tolerance is like a major company that wastes time policing office supply theft, ultimately reducing productivity.

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Refugees!? LOL! that term, that status has been so bastardized by globalists to render it moot.

And, ZERO TOLERANCE for illegal immigration saves this country $billions...in fact the most accepted figure is about $2 billion annually. Personally, based on my own research and analysis of the numbers, that figure is much higher than $2 billion. But, even accepting that number represents a cost savings by eliminating illegals, not an expense.

There are so much more "costs" involved in illegal immigration too. One is the human cost. If you care...or claim to care...for the immigrants you would be leading the charge to have, not only the US, but ALL nations shutting down illegal immigration. As it is, the globalists are okay with say, 1,000 people starting out on their illegal journey and if 700 make it, great! Never mind that 300 people died along the way. Just send the next 1,000 to try...and good luck. Many of those who die are children, but, hey, that is okay too, right?

Of course organized crime facilitates and profits from illegal immigration, but heck! drug dealers and slavers, have to make a profit too, right. As Goosey says, that's capitalism!

Nah, there is simply no defense for illegal immigration, on any level.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Refugees!? LOL! that term, that status has been so bastardized by globalists to render it moot.

And, ZERO TOLERANCE for illegal immigration saves this country $billions...in fact the most accepted figure is about $2 billion annually. Personally, based on my own research and analysis of the numbers, that figure is much higher than $2 billion. But, even accepting that number represents a cost savings by eliminating illegals, not an expense.

There are so much more "costs" involved in illegal immigration too. One is the human cost. If you care...or claim to care...for the immigrants you would be leading the charge to have, not only the US, but ALL nations shutting down illegal immigration. As it is, the globalists are okay with say, 1,000 people starting out on their illegal journey and if 700 make it, great! Never mind that 300 people died along the way. Just send the next 1,000 to try...and good luck. Many of those who die are children, but, hey, that is okay too, right?

Of course organized crime facilitates and profits from illegal immigration, but heck! drug dealers and slavers, have to make a profit too, right. As Goosey says, that's capitalism!

Nah, there is simply no defense for illegal immigration, on any level.

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At least you admitted you moved the cheese.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

At least you admitted you moved the cheese.

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I didn't admit anything. I have just stated what I have always said.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

I didn't admit anything. I have just stated what I have always said.

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It's even better that you didn't realize you admitted it!

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Refugees!? LOL! that term, that status has been so bastardized by globalists to render it moot.

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It's a defined legal term, as codified in 45 CFR 400.2

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Refugee means an individual who meets the definitions of a refugee under section 101(a)(42) of the Act.

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(42) The term "refugee" means (A) any person who is outside any country of such person'snationality or, in the case of a person having no nationality, is outside any country in which suchperson last habitually resided, and who is unable or unwilling to return to, and is unable or unwillingto avail himself or herself of the protection of, that country because of persecution or a well-foundedfear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group,or political opinion, or (B) in such special circumstances as the President after appropriateconsultation (as defined in section 1157(e) of this title) may specify, any person who is within thecountry of such person's nationality or, in the case of a person having no nationality, within the country in which such person is habitually residing, and who ispersecuted or who has a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality,membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. The term "refugee" does not include anyperson who ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of any person onaccount of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.For purposes of determinations under this chapter, a person who has been forced to abort a pregnancyor to undergo involuntary sterilization, or who has been persecuted for failure or refusal to undergosuch a procedure or for other resistance to a coercive population control program, shall be deemed tohave been persecuted on account of political opinion, and a person who has a well founded fear thathe or she will be forced to undergo such a procedure or subject to persecution for such failure,refusal, or resistance shall be deemed to have a well founded fear of persecution on account ofpolitical opinion.

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As a group they were arguably vetted more closely than any other group even before the Trump administration took over.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

It's even better that you didn't realize you admitted it!

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Wrong again! I just stated globalists have changed the definition, have bastardized the former meaning of a "refugee" as an excuse to sneak in more illegals. Try to keep up.

One more time...and slower this time, for you intellectually-challenged.

Globalists have been trying, and have been successful too many times, of having groups of illegals classified as refugees, when they weren't. The willing puppets who managed to enter the US under obummer/Biden sued the US government for....get ready for this...denying them a visa so they could travel back to their home countries for whatever reason, such as visiting family. These same puppets had declared refugee status stating they would be murdered if they EVER returned home. Okay. So, a couple of years later they sue so they can return home!? LOL! HOW STUPID do you have to be not to see through this scam?

BTW, unfortunately, there is always fallout when evil people usurp the law to meet goals of their agenda. In this matter, REAL refugees are made to suffer because of all of the cheating that has, and continues to, occur. Now, nations...not just the US...have had to tighten controls on declaring groups as legit refugees. In some cases, such as occurred about a year ago in Italy, true refugees fleeing persecution in Muslim north Africa, were lumped in with fake refugees, all of whom were sent back, and hundreds of innocent people were slaughtered by the Muslims.

THIS is the fallout for the bastardizing of declaring refugees, and those of you who blindly follow the globalist-leftist mantra HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS!

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Wrong again! I just stated globalists have changed the definition, have bastardized the former meaning of a "refugee" as an excuse to sneak in more illegals. Try to keep up.

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Whatever you need to tell yourself to justify spending stupid amounts of money to build a wall.

Coming to a apartment near Guislapp in Houston.

21 November 2020

71 Migrants Found in Tractor-Trailer in Mexico Heading to Texas Border

Human smugglers in Mexico stuffed 71 migrants, including a two-year-old child, in the back of a tractor-trailer in an attempt to reach the Texas border. The driver of the vehicle, apparently connected to Mexico’s Gulf Cartel, ran a police checkpoint in the border state of Nuevo Leon and fought with police while trying to get away.

The incident took place this week in the municipality of China as Nuevo Leon state police officers manned a series of highway checkpoints. A tractor-trailer tried to avoid the checkpoint and fled

https://www.breitbart.com/border/202...-texas-border/

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

Whatever you need to tell yourself to justify spending stupid amounts of money to build a wall.

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The "wall" enforces existing laws. If your heroes in Washington wish to change those laws, they have the power to do so.

Stupid amounts spent to build the wall pale in comparison to the stupid amounts spent to support illegal immigrants.

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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow

The "wall" enforces existing laws.

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No it doesn’t.

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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow

The "wall" enforces existing laws.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

No it doesn’t.

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Because....ILLEGAL immigration is legal? :rolleyes4:

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Because....ILLEGAL immigration is legal? :rolleyes4:

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Because 66% of “illegals” get in legally. The 33% who don’t, will simply get in at one of the gaps. Trump’s wall grift was one of the all time greats...Bannon cleaned up. No e-verify...nothing done to improve the tracking system for those that over stay. It’s all just hot air...but y’all love. Live it up...you got 2 months