I didn’t read that as implying causation, but pointing out how the timing of the rally was poor planned given the rising level of cases at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
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I didn’t read that as implying causation, but pointing out how the timing of the rally was poor planned given the rising level of cases at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
Of course. Convenient reading comprehensionQuote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I don’t think any sensible person would read it any other way.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Nobody ever accused media headline writers of having sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I didn’t realize that was a headline. Unusual for headlines to include multiple sentences.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
"Wearing a mask will help us to keep Texas open, because not taking action to slow the spread will cause Covid to spread even worse, risking people's lives and ultimately leading to the closure of more businesses," Gov Abbott said.
Funny that this is the point that I was making day 1 when Abbott reopened Texas and overruled County and City mask requirements.
I guess it just takes Republicans a longer time to understand the basics.
One sentence above in bold
When I look up the article (Newsweek), this is the headline I see:Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
“Oklahoma Reports Highest Ever Daily COVID-19 Cases“
They change headlines when they realize how revealing they are to their leftist stupidityQuote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Perhaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
What's the hospitalization rate...that's all that matters?
For all you mask-hating Texans, Abbott has finally broken and I hope you guys get on board, too, so we don’t have to shut things down again. Tell your friends.
“These are just some of the steps Texas will take to contain the rise in COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations,” Abbott said in a written statement. “I urge all Texans to do everything in their power to reduce the transmission of the coronavirus by wearing a face mask, washing their hands often and staying six feet apart from others.”
Would death rate tell you how we are doing and covid hospitalizations tell us how the hospitals are doing ?
I’ve seen the hospital rate that included everyone and not just covid , that’s why I said covid hospitalizations .
Hospitalizations tells you how we are doing at slowing the spread since it is independent of testing. The hospitalizations I have been reporting for Texas are COVID hospitalizations.Quote:
Originally Posted by tech70
“Daily new cases” has to be viewed in combination with positivity rate to understand the effect of increased testing on the case count. Hospitalizations is just an easier metric to arrive at the same understanding of the spread since you don’t have to account for the expansion of testing.
Death rate tells you lethal COVID is and the quality of treatments we have for it. That number is still over 5 percent for the US.
Here is a cool site that is calculating the Rt for each state in real time.
https://rt.live/
Don't think I'd use the adjective "cool" to describe it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
You would if the most important thing in your life was defeating bad orange manQuote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
How does model account for increased testing finding existing cases and not new infections. Does this include antibodies testing positives?
From the FAQ:Quote:
Originally Posted by tech70
https://rt.live/faqQuote:
What is the difference between "postives" and "test-adjusted positives"? Why don't the lines match up when I "show cases"?
Our model attempts to correct for testing volume. The dotted black line shows actual new cases reported, the blue line shows what the model believes actual cases would have been if you correct for testing volume. If today you tested 100 people and 10 came back positive and tomorrow you tested 500 people, you might assume you'd get 5x the number of postives back (all things being equal).
For instance, California shows a marked increase in cases over most of June, but the blue test-adjusted curve doesn't react nearly as much. This is because testing volume has ramped significantly in California in the same time period. If there are more tests, there will be more positives. The model works off the blue test-adjusted curve rather than the black dotted curve. Doing so ensures that we're looking at the 'true' trend in cases. That being said, tests are not a random sample of the population and therefore it's possible (and likely) that the selection of this group changes over time to include many more people who are not symptomatic and who are simply getting a test as a precaution. This means that if anything, the blue curve may be understating the true infections going forward. Please keep this in mind when drawing conclusions.
What happened to all the vaccine talk? The first month or two, there was almost hourly updates of companies working on them. Now I hear nothing about them.
They are in trials.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuBru
Three companies, or maybe it's two companies and Oxford Univ, seem to have the inside track to a vaccine. Best guesses are saying end of the year, maybe Jan, 2021.
CDC guy Robert Redfield is now saying that over 20 million could be or have been infected in the US.
The good news is that this means the death rate is only .5% which is the lowest in the world.
...Guisslapp's head exploding.
I have been exposed to those with it on several occasions I know of, and countless times I don't know of. As I have a history of getting the flu and getting fairly sick from it, like 103F fever type sick! the fact I feel 101% fine tells me either I have finally developed an immune system to such viruses or it is a weak-ass virus where millions have it but have no symptoms.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
There has been scientific evidence that shows the virus will not produce adverse effects in many (most?) people. Kids seem to continue to be immune from its effects. Young, healthy people also seem to not be bothered by it. The concentration of deaths remains with the elderly and those with poor health conditions. If many millions do have it then we should be approaching the "herd immunity" plateau.
Unless every other country started counting their asymptomatic cases too.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Or it shows that for some reason, the US with the lowest death rate and highest deaths did an epicly horrible job controlling transmission.
Saw a post on a blog I follow that the tests are returning 40% false positives. When challenged the fellow claimed to be a medical professional (not sure exactly what) and that he is involved in the testing. So, I don't know...
If that is true, that is worse then the WHO test that we wouldn’t use at the beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Yep, that is true!Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
But hopefully...well this will sound counter-intuitive...the tests are more accurate now. (although that rate of false positives SHOULD actually be encouraging)
It’s down to 5% from 15-20% of cases but very expensive if given a COVID diagnosis. Sounds fishy on the cost as the business side of hospitals have an incentive.Quote:
Originally Posted by CARTEK
Plus the new drug is a crazy cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Covid-19 Drug Remdesivir to Cost $3,120 for Typical Patient
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj...ce-11593428402
The steroid treatment is cheap though.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
8.28%, benefiting from a recovery trend. A sickening trend, which we currently have, pushes the number back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Friday afternoon Dr. F announced it as 5% on national TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I was talking about Texas.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Dexamethasone.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Too many illegals over here plus Americans coming back for treatment. Not to mention the Houston and Dallas protest marches and huge funeral 1- 2 weeks ago or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The undocumented immigrants have just started to get tested this past weekend at the Mexican consulate. If they are here, we want them tested and treated.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
New Swine Flu in China could be next pandemic. "Supposedly" it doesn't appear to be able to transmit human to human..
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53218704
Appears that the Pfizer vaccine had pretty good phase 1 results.
“We must have no stigma, none, about wearing masks when we leave our homes and come near other people. Wearing simple face coverings is not about protecting ourselves, it is about protecting everyone we encounter," Mitch McConnell.
Trump’s Tweet response - “The Lone Warrior”
Trump really needs to stop undermining the effort to get people to wear masks. Dangerous game he is playing.
I realize for mind-numb robots, like yourself, who take your marching orders from George Soros et al (aka Nazis), it's difficult for you to grasp the notion that no one on our side listens to Trump re: wearing masks, and some other stuff he tweets about. It is absolutely inconceivable (always think of the "Sicilian" in the Princess Bride when I see that word, "it's inconceivable!" [slight lisp]) for you to understand that we arrive at decisions TOTALLY on our own. If said decisions happen to align with what Trump advocates it is mere coincidence. And, of course, we know no one on your side listens to Trump on such matters, so that means, practically no one is wearing masks or not wearing masks because of anything Trump says or does. So, get over it! There is no "dangerous game" being played by Trump because he exerts very little to no influence on "the game."Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Back to C-19 for a moment...
just off the phone with a friend and colleague, a visiting professor who teaches a class at NSU and stays in our guest house sometimes to keep from doing all that driving, as he lives near Lake Charles. The man is 82 years old and simply doesn't want to just be retired. He told me he was in the hospital for nearly a week recently battling, and beating, pneumonia. He has a history of getting pneumonia. The doctors tested him for the C-19 virus when he was admitted...came back negative. Then, they tested him again before they would release him...came back negative again. He has no antibodies indicating he had C-19, but has a bunch for the common flu bugs. But, one of the doctors at the hospital...not his personal physician...insisted he must have C-19. Even when others argued he tested negative that doctor kept on about the reliability of the tests. He said, if 50% of the tests return false positives, it follows that often the tests return false negatives too. Well...Dr. T. (that's PhD "Doctor T.") said he told his personal physician to sign the release order because he felt great and was ready to go home. His doctor did.
I asked Doc T. if that other doctor seemed to be advocating, or even rooting, for him to be C-19 positive and was disappointed he wasn't. He said he didn't know and didn't understand what that doctor was hoping to accomplish. His personal physician, when asked, just shrugged it off saying "that is just Doctor Other Guy being himself...". You can read into that whatever you wish.
This does raise the bigger question, is the current test accurate and reliable, or not? I have started doing some Internet searches on it and have only found some sources that say, yes, the test is fine, and other equally, seemingly reliable sources questioning the validity of the test. Back in April Dr. Birx said she had concerns about the reliability of the tests. But I don't see anything more recent.
Covid deaths being undercounted?
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/01/offi...udy-finds.html
Have you seen a link to the study, I'd like to read it. The only thing I can find was produced earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2767980Quote:
Originally Posted by MoonPieBlue
Has anyone seen guidance on when someone would be admitted to the hospital with Covid? Are there specific criteria or do the doctors have a lot of leeway?
Here in Houston, I know anecdotally that some folks are getting turned away for not being sick enough. I am not sure about the admission criteria.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoonPieBlue
Gumps... what are you gonna do... :rolleyes4:
Students in Tuscaloosa throwing covid-19 parties: first positive test gets the money pot
quote:
Alabama students throwing 'COVID parties' to see who gets infected: Officialsquote:
Students in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, who have been diagnosed with COVID-19 have been attending parties in the city and surrounding area as part of a disturbing contest to see who can catch the virus first, a city council member told ABC News on Wednesday.quote:
"They put money in a pot and they try to get COVID. Whoever gets COVID first gets the pot. It makes no sense," McKinstry said. "They're intentionally doing it."
Tuscaloosa Fire Chief Randy Smith told the City Council on Tuesday that he has confirmed the students' careless behavior.
Hannity: wear a mask.
Pence: wear a mask.
Trump (just today): all for masks.
But? ... Muh freedomsQuote:
Originally Posted by turbodawg
Ouch.Quote:
Originally Posted by weunice
What’s the EU and the UK doing right to knock the virus down that the US is getting wrong?
Serious question.
Their presidents/prime ministers led and didn’t fight science.Quote:
Originally Posted by turbodawg
US liberals not listening to Trump. Trump was right.Quote:
Originally Posted by turbodawg
Published 2 hours ago
Hydroxychloroquine helped save coronavirus patients, study shows; Trump campaign hails 'fantastic news'
Drug touted by Trump was mocked by media
Researchers at the Henry Ford Health System in Southeast Michigan have found that early administration of the drug hydroxychloroquine makes hospitalized patients substantially less likely to die.
The study, published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, determined that hydroxychloroquine provided a "66% hazard ratio reduction," and hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin a 71 percent reduction, compared to neither treatment.
In-hospital mortality was 18.1 percent with both drugs, 13.5 percent with just hydroxychloroquine, 22.4 percent with azithromycin alone, and 26.4 percent with neither drug. "Prospective trials are needed" for further review, the researchers note.
"Our results do differ from some other studies," Dr. Marcus Zervos, who heads the hospital's infectious diseases unit, said at a news conference. "What we think was important in ours ... is that patients were treated early. For hydroxychloroquine to have a benefit, it needs to begin before the patients begin to suffer some of the severe immune reactions that patients can have with COVID."
A statement from the Trump campaign hailed the study as "fantastic news."
"Fortunately, the Trump Administration secured a massive supply of hydroxychloroquine for the national stockpile months ago," a statement read. "Yet this is the same drug that the media and the Biden campaign spent weeks trying to discredit and spread fear and doubt around because President Trump dared to mention it as a potential treatment for coronavirus."
More
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hyd...onavirus-study
Should have listened to Trump!Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
US liberals not listening to Trump. Trump was right.
Published 2 hours ago
Hydroxychloroquine helped save coronavirus patients, study shows; Trump campaign hails 'fantastic news'
Drug touted by Trump was mocked by media
Researchers at the Henry Ford Health System in Southeast Michigan have found that early administration of the drug hydroxychloroquine makes hospitalized patients substantially less likely to die.
The study, published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, determined that hydroxychloroquine provided a "66% hazard ratio reduction," and hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin a 71 percent reduction, compared to neither treatment.
In-hospital mortality was 18.1 percent with both drugs, 13.5 percent with just hydroxychloroquine, 22.4 percent with azithromycin alone, and 26.4 percent with neither drug. "Prospective trials are needed" for further review, the researchers note.
"Our results do differ from some other studies," Dr. Marcus Zervos, who heads the hospital's infectious diseases unit, said at a news conference. "What we think was important in ours ... is that patients were treated early. For hydroxychloroquine to have a benefit, it needs to begin before the patients begin to suffer some of the severe immune reactions that patients can have with COVID."
A statement from the Trump campaign hailed the study as "fantastic news."
"Fortunately, the Trump Administration secured a massive supply of hydroxychloroquine for the national stockpile months ago," a statement read. "Yet this is the same drug that the media and the Biden campaign spent weeks trying to discredit and spread fear and doubt around because President Trump dared to mention it as a potential treatment for coronavirus."
More
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hyd...onavirus-study
I already read the study yesterday. It wasn’t randomized and had 1/3 the patients in comparison to the randomizes Oxford trial that showed the HCQ has no benefit.
The other major problem with the Henry Ford study is the HCQ patients were also given a steroid. The UK also did a study demonstrating the effectiveness of a steroid. Thus, the Henry Ford results might actually just be showing steroid effectiveness.
Another interesting tidbit if you actually read the study - being white had a 1.7 Hazard Ratio, meaning it correlated to 1.7 times mortality rate, which is the opposite of what we have seen elsewhere.
It worked and saved so many lives. Politics of liberals hatred In high places killed so many since they didn’t want Trump to be right on the drug hydroxychloroquine. But he was!!
So I post it again.
Published 2 hours ago
Hydroxychloroquine helped save coronavirus patients, study shows; Trump campaign hails 'fantastic news'
Drug touted by Trump was mocked by media
Researchers at the Henry Ford Health System in Southeast Michigan have found that early administration of the drug hydroxychloroquine makes hospitalized patients substantially less likely to die.
The study, published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, determined that hydroxychloroquine provided a "66% hazard ratio reduction," and hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin a 71 percent reduction, compared to neither treatment.
In-hospital mortality was 18.1 percent with both drugs, 13.5 percent with just hydroxychloroquine, 22.4 percent with azithromycin alone, and 26.4 percent with neither drug. "Prospective trials are needed" for further review, the researchers note.
"Our results do differ from some other studies," Dr. Marcus Zervos, who heads the hospital's infectious diseases unit, said at a news conference. "What we think was important in ours ... is that patients were treated early. For hydroxychloroquine to have a benefit, it needs to begin before the patients begin to suffer some of the severe immune reactions that patients can have with COVID."
A statement from the Trump campaign hailed the study as "fantastic news."
"Fortunately, the Trump Administration secured a massive supply of hydroxychloroquine for the national stockpile months ago," a statement read. "Yet this is the same drug that the media and the Biden campaign spent weeks trying to discredit and spread fear and doubt around because President Trump dared to mention it as a potential treatment for coronavirus."
More
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hyd...onavirus-study
But have you read the study and the Oxford study? We don’t even know that it was the HCQ that made the difference in Detroit since the HCQ patients were also given a steroid.
No, it’s a serious question. What’s the EU doing right that the US is getting wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
For one, the US is conducting way more test vs. the rest of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by turbodawg
For one, the US is conducting way more test vs. the rest of the world so our infection rates show up high.Quote:
Originally Posted by turbodawg
Spoke with my niece this morning...she is an RN at Ochsner's Hospital, in their C-19 Ward. She is doing fine and says it's "organized chaos" now vs. just plain chaos from a few months ago. They have protocols in place and none of the staff have contracted the virus since early April. They had several staff get infected early on, but none since. She also confirmed that every death possible, even remotely possible, is charted as a "Covid-19 virus" death because the hospital is paid $4,500 by the Federal guvmint for each. Most of the deaths, she says, have been caused BY THE VENTILATORS not by what the vents are supposed to be treating or helping with. She is a bit disillusioned by it all as she had some glorified vision of the profession, thinking nurses and doctors were heroic people...which they still are, but she is more cynical about it all now. I told her she needed to focus on doing right by her patients and leave the monetary side of it to the hospital administration. Separate the two, in other words.
My sister, just retired after nearly 40 years as an RN and a nurse anesthetist, is even more cynical. She said Madelyn is still new (18 months out of school), give her time, she will become even more cynical about it all. But, will learn as she did, to focus on her job/duties. I am on a hospital board and am very much aware of the financials. It's a business!
Anyway, this whole C-19 mess is just that, a mess, and the real truth is being shucked aside. Yes, it is a potentially dangerous virus and it needs to be regarded that way, but it is also true that it is a political football and there are many players who are "looking the other way" because of the economics and the politics involved.
How are they dying from the ventilators?
Bing! Google!Quote:
Originally Posted by JuBru
But my niece and sister say the single biggest harm is ventilator-associated pneumonia.
Circular reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Doesn’t hold water at all with respect to increasing per cent positive rate on tests. Or deaths.
What are we getting wrong?
What’s for two?
George Carlin from 2011...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo
Carlin was a funny dude. Lot of alt take social commentary.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
From your link:
“And never mind ordinary germs, what are you gonna do when some super virus comes along that turns your vital organs into liquid shit? I’ll tell you what you’re gonna do... you’re gonna get sick, you’re gonna die, and you’re gonna deserve it cause you’re ****ing weak and you got a ****ing weak immune system!”
People on chemotherapy, for example, or folks taking immunosuppressants for a wide spectrum of common ailments....yeah, they got a pretty ****ing weak immune system.
And I guess they deserve what they get.
Need to watch Carlin's ripping of the "green movement," funny as heck, and it's funny because it's true.
As for this bit, well, ya know, we "Boomers" and the generation(s) before us used to do crazy things...drink from a garden hose, hardly ever washed our hands (except when forced to by an adult), shared food/drink w/o any thought of "germs," played in mud, dirt, the woods. And from the safety side of the coin, NO SEATBELTS! rode in the back of pick-up truck, tailgate down! BTW, used to settle things with our fists, and that happened quite often. Funny thing, we all had guns at home too. But never ever considered using one to settle an argument, it was a fair, stand-up fist fight. Then afterwards, the bloody nose, busted lip, bruised and battered combatants would shake hands and be friends again!
More...I don't remember any kid being sickly. The only exception was one kid down the street, Timmy N. who everyone called "Nailhead" because of his last name. He was kind of sickly...I think he had asthma and a few other ailments. But even he would play touch football in the street or tackle football on some vacant lot (no equipment, of course) and do the best he could with his condition. He didn't ask for special treatment and that's good because he sure as heck wasn't going to get any! But, 99% of everyone I grew up with, knew at school, knew from playing sports, just neighbors and acquaintances were all healthy. And today, even though I am personally in the worst shape of my life (athletically speaking) I can still ride my bike further and faster than the youngsters around here. They are pathetic!
Any one that ever drank Boone's Farm.. or MD2020 when they were younger will NOT die from a silly virus.. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Nice deflection. I’ve done a lot of what you described above.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
People with weak ****ing immune systems don’t need to die because they’re ****ing weak. No.
Social satire is one thing. That’s a joke. Haha, funny
Don’t make joke that’s really not haha funny, about folks with comorbid conditions, or people we know that could be susceptible to a poor outcome from being infected with this.
Get a life, Turbo! George Carlin is ****ing funny!!! He attacks everyone and everything, and does so without restraints and remorse. He has bits attacking religion, rednecks, whitey, sports, political figures (you can fast forward when he attacks one of your libtard politicians, and just watch when he attacks a Repub...you'll say, yep, he's right! And you'll laugh too.)
Sounds like you could use a good laugh.
TX State Fair has been cancelled for 2020.. :(( No Fletcher's corn dog for me this year... or fried banana pudding.... or other very bad for you, but delicious foods...
Probably extended your life a couple of months.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
That should be his decision. Personal decisions used to matter, now we defer to state and federal governments. Soon enough you will let them decide what you can buy and when!Quote:
Originally Posted by JuBru
In this world of leftist fascism, you aren't even allowed your personal OPINION anymore. It's group think or public shaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle2180
You don’t have a right to kill or injure other people.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle2180
It’s quite common now. I’m just glad there a few La Tech brethren that can see that. It gives me hope....Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
What does a corn dog or banana pudding have to do with killing someone? If the fair is open and I choose to go and die a as a result, it was my decision!Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
If the government limits people’s choices fewer people will die from dangerous things? I’ve ridden a few miles in the back of a pickup truck, ridden in the front seat of a car without a seat belt, drank from a garden hose, sprayed Roundup on weeds, breathed in some asbestos...I’ll die someday of something, like many other from the past. We used to call that part of life. Now people like you think the government and some form of mask can protect us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Yeah, but that is risk you took for your own life. I am talking about giving your COVID to someone else. Not cool. You could seriously hurt or kill someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle2180
TEA is requiring masks in school buildings.
If someone else is around me they made a decision to get out of their house. It was their choice/ not my fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Life has consequences. It’s always been that way.
And if you shoot someone they shouldn’t be in front of your gun. Right. And if you run into the back of a car they shouldn’t have been in your lane. And your wife shouldn’t run into your fist...Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle2180
You have a civic duty not to hurt or kill other people.
Because people keep screwing this basic concept up, things are getting shut down.
Not much difference than you getting in a vehicle and driving down the road with other that may be drunk or strung out on drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
And those things include events getting shut down when you are going to make a lot of people sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle2180
And that person is going to go to jail for that. We have laws against people doing dangerous things. This really isn’t that different.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle2180
Right now 1 in 98 people in Dallas county have or have had coronavirus. You can’t have a fair under those circumstances. You will crush the hospitals and kill people.
Exactly what Biden, Pelosi and “The Squad”Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
hope they can accomplish. They hate America’s free speech and about everything else.
So I should never leave my house even if I’m not coughing, sneezing , or have a temperature?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Then why do you and your voting base keep killing 250,000+ black babies every year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Not a personal knock on you, I’ve seen it umpteen times on social media.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Leftist fascism doesn’t quite jive by definition.
I slipped and I apologize.
If we all don’t stop politicizing this pandemic instead of using common sense to stop the spread...we’re about to lose sports for the fall
Ok I’m sorry as I didn’t mean you personally Guisslapp. Just your preferred voting base. Sorry!Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Literally no one is saying that.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle2180
Because Covid is highly transmissible and spread when you are presymptomatic or asymptomatic, everyone need to behave as if they might have the disease.
You can do what you want as long as you wear a mask and practice social distancing.
Unfortunately, bars, indoor restaurants, packed events, indoor assemblies are not safe. You can’t practice social distancing.
You forgot to mention that social distancing and masking is not important while burning, looting, or generally destroying the property of others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Literally no one here is saying that here. You've not read a single defense of looting on this board. If your position was so strong, seems you could tell the truth and stop all the equivocation and worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
That said, a FAR higher percentage of protestors wear masks during protests than attenders at MY church. Of course, that will hopefully change with the mandate.
Wearing masks in an outside assembly (such as a protest) is magnitudes safe than an inside assembly unmasked (such as the behavior Johnny describeD for his church). If you throw in singing, you have a recipe for a superspreading disaster.