Global Warming Cont...

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/07/prweb1081014.htm

Ocala, FL (PRWEB) July 8, 2008 - New findings released in the peer reviewed book "Global Warming -- Global Cooling, Natural Cause Found", meteorologist and climate researcher David Dilley utilizes nearly a half million years of data linking long term gravitational cycles of the moon as the cause for the present global warming, rises in carbon dioxide levels, and for 2200 global warming cycles during the past half million years.

Mr. Dilley of Global Weather Oscillations has found seven different types of recurring gravitational cycles ranging from the very warm 460,000 year cycle down to a 230 year recurring global warming cycle. All of the gravitational cycles coincide nearly 100 percent with 2200 global warming events during the past half million years. This includes the earth's current warming cycle which began around the year 1900, and the first stage of global cooling that will begin during 2008 and 2009.

The gravitational cycles are called the Primary Forcing Mechanism for Climate (PFM), and act like a magnet by pulling the atmosphere's high pressure systems northward or southward by as much as 3 or 4 degrees of latitude from their normal seasonal positions, and thus causing long-term shifts in the location of atmospheric high pressure systems.

The shifts of nearly 3 degrees of latitude, or approximately 290 kilometers (180 miles) results in an overall change in the atmospheric circulation in such a manner to cause the climate to migrate northward during global warming cycles and allow some melting of high latitude snow and ice packs, and a rises in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels through a very complex natural feedback system.

This natural feedback allows carbon dioxide which is being stored and trapped in high latitude vegetation, soils, tundra and colder oceans for up to several hundred thousand years, to be released naturally back into the atmosphere during global warming events.

Research by Mr. Dilley shows a near 100 percent correlation between the PFM gravitational cycles to the beginning and ending of global warming cycles. Global warming cycles began right on time with each PFM cycle during the past half million years, as did the current warming which began 100 years ago, and it will end right on time as the current gravitational cycle begins its cyclical decline.

Global temperatures have cooled during the past 12 months. During 2008 and 2009 the first stage of global cooling will cool the world's temperatures to those observed during the years from the 1940s through the 1970s. By the year 2023 global climate will become similar to the colder temperatures experienced during the 1800s.

Global cooling gains momentum among scientists
Aug 25, 2008 9:40 AM, By Elton Robinson
Farm Press Editorial Staff
http://deltafarmpress.com/news/robinson-column-0825/

Two weeks ago, after writing about the possibility that the Earth may actually be entering a cooling phase, I braced myself for a torrent of icy missives from the global warming crowd suggesting that the heat must have fried my noggin.

By the way, it is very difficult to discuss global cooling in the midst of a summer when temperatures are hovering around 100 degrees and crops are wilting. As one friend and colleague from the sweltering Southwest noted after reading the column, “Please send some of that cooling this way.”

However, one response opened my eyes to the growing community of global warming skeptics out there, most of them merited scientists. I thought it might be worth presenting their thoughts — a little equal time if you will. Marc Marona, a global warming skeptic who works for the U.S. Senate Committee on Environmental and Public Works, sent me these excerpts from a U.S. Senate report.

Russian solar physicists Galina Mashnich and Vladimir Bashkirtsev are so convinced that global temperatures will cool within the next decade they have placed a $10,000 wager with a United Kingdom scientist to prove their certainty. The criteria for the $10,000 bet will be to compare global temperatures between 1998 and 2003 with those between 2012 and 2017. The loser will pay up in 2018, according to an April 16, 2007, article in Live Science.

Australian engineer Peter Harris says that the Earth is nearing the end of the typical interglacial cycle and is due for a sudden cooling climate change. “Based on this analysis we can say that there is a 94 percent probability of imminent global cooling and the beginning of the coming ice age.

“Climate is becoming unstable,” Harris went on to say. “Most of these major natural processes that we are witnessing now are interdependent and occur at the end of each interglacial period, ultimately causing sudden long-term cooling.”

Oleg Sorokhtin, merited scientist of Russia and fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences and staff researcher of the Oceanology Institute, says to “stock up on fur coats and felt boots! Earth is now at the peak of one of its passing warm spells. It started in the 17th century when there was no industrial influence on the climate to speak of and no such thing as the hothouse effect.

“Carbon dioxide is not to blame for global climate change, Sorokhtin said. “Solar activity is many times more powerful than the energy produced by the whole of humankind. Man’s influence on nature is a drop in the ocean.”

Canadian climatologist Timothy Ball said, “If we are facing (a crisis) at all, I think it is that we are preparing for warming when it is looking like we are cooling. We are preparing for the wrong thing.”

On the impact of carbon dioxide on global temperature, United Kingdom astrophysicist Piers Corbyn said, “There is no evidence that carbon dioxide has ever driven or will ever drive world temperatures and climate change. Worrying about carbon dioxide is irrelevant.”

So there you have it folks — solid evidence from the other side of the global warming fence and critical thinking I’m sure you won’t hear much about outside this space.
To be honest, I’m not sure which global weather consequence is more daunting — to be ice fishing in Florida or planting cotton in Maine. But politicians and the popular press should speak out for the resumption of genuine, open debate on climate change. Global warming is not necessarily a foregone conclusion.

Carbon tax will not be introduced in Budget

By Senan Molony Deputy Political Editor
Monday August 25 2008
http://www.independent.ie/national-n...t-1462468.html

NO carbon tax will be imposed in the forthcoming Budget, despite worsening emissions rates in this country and a promise to introduce the measure in the Programme for Government.

The Green Party is privately conceding that the measure is off the table for the December Budget -- the second year in a row that consumers will escape.

A spokesman for the Minister for the Environment, John Gormley, said last night that the matter was complex, and the party was seeking to introduce carbon pricing in a "holistic" way that would achieve equity but also prove effective across the economy.

http://www.quantcast.com/profile/tra...main3=&domain4=

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:...lnk&cd=1&gl=us


Q. What causes atmospheric warming?
A. The sun is the primary source of energy impacting the earth's surface. That energy heats the land and the seas, which then warm the air above them. Water vapor and other gases in the atmosphere also affect temperature.

Q. Does CO2 cause global temperatures to rise?
A. Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a minor component of the atmosphere - historically between 0.022 percent and 0.038 percent - and its contribution to heat retention is likely minor when compared to that of water vapor, which is the dominant "greenhouse gas."
Global warming proponents claim that human activity is increasing CO2 in the atmosphere - that's true - and that the increased CO2 is causing air temperature to rise. Studies, however, point elsewhere. When long-term plots of global temperature and CO2 content are overlaid, CO2 lags temperature. There must be another culprit. Oceans are the main repository for CO2. They release CO2 as their temperature rises - just like your beer. This strongly suggests that warming oceans - heated by the sun - are a major contributor to CO2 in the atmosphere.


Q. Has the atmosphere been warmer? A. Yes, many times. During the most recent warm period - the Middle Ages - it was much warmer than today. Greenland was so-named by Viking settlers because its coastal areas were covered with vegetation.

Report from 33d Intl. Geology Congress in Norway (By Charlie Hall)

Posted by Nate Hagens on August 25, 2008 - 11:00am

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4442

9) The plenaries, especially the climate session and somewhat the energy sessions, were designed for a more general scientific audience. They tended to be moderately interesting, optimistic about resources and technology and often extremely contentious. About two thirds of the presenters and question-askers were hostile to, even dismissive of, the IPCC (International panel on climate change) and the idea that the Earth's climate was responding to human influences. This was rather shocking to me who knows of several other such scientists but had no idea there were so many. They talked about Milankovich Cycles of course, but also sunspot cycles and other possible climate forcings.

Sunspots May Vanish by 2015
By William Livingston and Matthew Penn, National Solar Observatory, Tucson, AZ

http://www.astroengine.com/wp-conten..._sunspots2.pdf

Our data show that there are additional changes occurring in sunspots, independent of the sunspot cycle, and these trends suggest that sunspots will disappear completely. Such an event would not be unprecedented, since during a famous episode from 1645-1715, known as the Maunder Minimum, the normal 11-year periodicity vanished and there were virtually no sunspots visible on the solar surface (Eddy 1976).

Pål Brekke: Internationally renowned climate sceptic and solar expert
http://www.forskningsradet.no/en/New.../1203528336519

"We could be in for a surprise," he cautions. "It's possible that the sun plays an even more central role in global warming than we have suspected. Anyone who claims that the debate is over and the conclusions are firm has a fundamentally unscientific approach to one of the most momentous issues of our time."

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Is it just me or has the CGW been unusually silent lately?

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Death of Global Warming Anniversary Coming
Posted by Bill Hennessy
August 25, 2008
http://hennessysview.com/2008/08/25/...ersary-coming/

It was one year ago–September 7, 2007–that ABC News stopped updating its Global Warming section. (Link to my original post on the subject.

Congratulations to you skeptics. I knew you could do it!

http://climatecrisis.net/blog/

and algores site is now kaput

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http://climatecrisis.net/blog/

and algores site is now kaput

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umm, everything else works

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umm, everything else works

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didn't check that, however if you look a few posts up, you'll see their web traffic has gone to squat

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didn't check that, however if you look a few posts up, you'll see their web traffic has gone to squat

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i probably gave them their first unique (or whatever a first time visitor is) hit in months...

GOP platform now to include global warming.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...008-08-26.html

The National Republican Party for the first time is expected to acknowledge global warming in its 2008 GOP Platform, according to a draft of the document.
“Increased atmospheric carbon has a warming effect on the earth,” the document said. “While the scope and long term consequences of this warming effect are the subject of ongoing research, we believe the United States should take measured and reasonable steps today.”

More signs that the republicans are also stupid.

Yeah, and to think that so many Republican hard-legs want to encourage this type of behavior from their party leads me to believe that we will be getting more of the same (and worse) in the future.

Bob Barr also says that AGW is for real. If global warming is indeed a hoax, why are our political parties saying that something needs to be done about it?

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Bob Barr also says that AGW is for real.

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Really? Do you have a link?

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If global warming is indeed a hoax, why are our political parties saying that something needs to be done about it?

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Because they are not scientists and have been manipulated by CGW zealots just like many citizens such as yourself.

n/m. I found it.

http://www.bobbarr2008.com/press/pre...ampaign-event/

You trust politicians? Surely you aren't from Louisiana.

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You trust politicians? Surely you aren't from Louisiana.

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Not at all. Just that it seems that everybody thinks AGW is for real except for those folks from Oklahoma, Texas and Louisiana. :icon_wink:

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Because they are not scientists and have been manipulated by CGW zealots just like many citizens such as yourself.

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I haven't manipulated anybody. Even if there is only a 5% chance that AGW is for real, we should be taking action.

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Because they are not scientists and have been manipulated by CGW zealots just like many citizens such as yourself.

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more likely because they are politicians and sense that most voters have been sucked in to the cgw.

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more likely because they are politicians and sense that most voters have been sucked in to the cgw.

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That is so weak.

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Are any of you guys in north Louisiana concerned about the coal-fired generating plant proposed for Texarkana?
The 600 MG coal fired power plant in Hempstead County near Texarkana that Arkansas' Public Service Commission has approved, but which has not passed into total approved status by the state's Dept of Environmental Quality (DEQ) yet, must be stopped from being constructed or we will see this state sink deeper into air pollution degradation, and therefore, health degradation. Below are some links where there is both info and a video trailer, some attached flyers, etc. The video was shown here a few weeks ago at the Fayetteville Public Library and is excellent. We hope to get some additional copies available for more showings here and in other towns.
A small group of activists have met a couple of times since the video showing in order to organize efforts to both alert and educate people of the consequences of burning yet more coal for power. The Hempstead plant and another already approved near Oceola, AR will produce enough carbon dioxide pollution to raise Arkansas' CO2 levels by 16% according to calculations done by organizers in this grassroot effort. CO2 is not classified as an air contaminant in Arkansas so DEQ is acting like its hands are tied,
BUT has still not given final approval. Gov. Beebe is really holding the big ace in stopping this plant and he's saying he's waiting on his Global Warming Commission's report (as if they will say, " Geezz, no CO2 really isn't causing global warming!").
To make matters worse for us in our corner of the state (we already have a plant at Gentry just up the road), there's a plant planned near Poteau, OK and it's smoke will reach us according to folks checking wind patterns. This means sounding alarm of disapproval in OK as well.

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Hogwash, Aub. Modern day coal-fired generating plants do not pour a black cloud into the sky. And while people who are paying 9-cent fuel-cost adjustment per kilowatt hour for fuel cost adjustments for power generated from natural gas plants, customers getting electricity from coal-fired plants are paying 1.5 cent fuel cost adjustments per kWh. Give people that choice and see what you get.

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I haven't manipulated anybody. Even if there is only a 5% chance that AGW is for real, we should be taking action.

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Actually, I was suggesting that you are another victim.

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Even if there is only a 5% chance that AGW is for real, we should be taking action.

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I have a huge problem with that statement. I would explain, but hopefully it is obvious.

I think we can all agree that global cooling would be much worse.

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I think we can all agree that global cooling would be much worse.

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yep,

The land that is Chicago was under a mile of ice.

Wilson row over green 'alarmists'
Page last updated at 09:27 GMT, Friday, 5 September 2008 10:27 UK

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/n...nd/7599810.stm


The Environment Minister Sammy Wilson has angered green campaigners by describing their view on climate change as a "hysterical psuedo-religion".

In an article in the News Letter, Mr Wilson said he believed it occurred naturally and was not man-made.
"Resources should be used to adapt to the consequences of climate change, rather than King Canute-style vainly trying to stop it," said the minister.


Mr Wilson said he refused to "blindly accept" the need to make significant changes to the economy to stop climate change.

"The tactic used by the "green gang" is to label anyone who dares disagree with their view of climate change as some kind of nutcase who denies scientific fact," he said.

The minister said he accepted climate change can occur, but does not believe the cause has been identified.
"Reasoned debate must replace the scaremongering of the green climate alarmists."

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My advise to anyone living along or south of Interstate 10 from Pensecola to Houston is this: Dont live there anymore. Its no longer safe. Im serious.

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from 2006....

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You can't be serious.

This global warming scare has got to be the most ridiculous thing since the orignal radio broadcast of The War of the Worlds.

I lived in Cameron Parish as a kid. Where did the destructive storms come from back then? There were horrendous storms. Tornados and water spouts, high gusts of winds, storms with no steering current.

Please tell me you post was in jest. Again, sarcasm is hard to read on a board. I hope that was the case.

CCCCCCCCCCCRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

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Say what Sooner?

Have at it, "scientists". Maybe ArkansasBob can break this down. Oh wait, I imagine he had to evacuate from the thunderstorm in the gulf


Localized Pollution Potentially Plays Large Role in Future Climate Change

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...pollution.html

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/hurr...ry/whtexas.htm

Awful lot of those seem to have happened a long time ago.

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Localized Pollution Potentially Plays Large Role in Future Climate Change

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...pollution.html

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From that article:

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NOAA understands and predicts changes in the Earth's environment, from the depths of the ocean to the surface of the sun, and conserves and manages our coastal and marine resources.

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Really? They understand the changes in the Earth's environment? That statement seems a touch hubristic to me.

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My advise to anyone living along or south of Interstate 10 from Pensecola to Houston is this: Dont live there anymore. Its no longer safe. Im serious.

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i'm inclined to agree with you, but it wasn't safe 108 years ago, either.
http://www.1900storm.com/

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i'm inclined to agree with you, but it wasn't safe 108 years ago, either.
http://www.1900storm.com/

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lets be honest. Its time to stop building south of 10.

Hope all was/is well. I mean it....

Lets make south of 10, from houston to panama......"mother nature status"

We know its going anyway, so lets clear out, let the animals have it back, let mother nature take over and we can draw new boundries..

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lets be honest. Its time to stop building south of 10.

Hope all was/is well. I mean it....

Lets make south of 10, from houston to panama......"mother nature status"

We know its going anyway, so lets clear out, let the animals have it back, let mother nature take over and we can draw new boundries..

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i don't think i can think of an "honest" sentence that uses the phrase "mother nature" seriously.

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lets be honest. Its time to stop building south of 10.

Hope all was/is well. I mean it....

Lets make south of 10, from houston to panama......"mother nature status"

We know its going anyway, so lets clear out, let the animals have it back, let mother nature take over and we can draw new boundries..

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What?!? Do you think Gustav/Ike proves that silly point? My sister lives 20-30 miles from Galveston and she lost power for 3 days. That's it. Don't get me wrong, she was upset that she lost 3 of her 5 banana trees, but lets be serious. She's lived there for something like 12 years, she loses power for 3 days and you think her area needs to be abandoned? Wow. That's just special right there.

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What?!? Do you think Gustav/Ike proves that silly point? My sister lives 20-30 miles from Galveston and she lost power for 3 days. That's it. Don't get me wrong, she was upset that she lost 3 of her 5 banana trees, but lets be serious. She's lived there for something like 12 years, she loses power for 3 days and you think her area needs to be abandoned? Wow. That's just special right there.

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Well, I don't think houses and towns that are destroyed by Hurricanes should be re-built with taxpayers' monies.

How's that for being a fiscal conservative?

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lets be honest. Its time to stop building south of 10.

Hope all was/is well. I mean it....

Lets make south of 10, from houston to panama......"mother nature status"

We know its going anyway, so lets clear out, let the animals have it back, let mother nature take over and we can draw new boundries..

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Why stop there?

If you truly believe what you're talking about here, noone should live within 50 miles of the coast from Btownsville, TX up throug hjthe northern North Carolina coast.

And since Ike caused more people to die in non-coastal states than in Texas, we probably should move evryone away feom west Texas eastward.

We should also clear out the whole Pacific Coast too, especially anything west of the fault lines. Need to keep tsunamis in mind also.

Also, need to move all those people living in areas that have those wild fores out there.

And then there's the tornado belt. All those people should move too.

And then there's the biggest weather killer, cold. We eed t omove all those people from cold areas to warm areas.

Yep. That'll fix it.

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Well, I don't think houses and towns that are destroyed by Hurricanes should be re-built with taxpayers' monies.

How's that for being a fiscal conservative?

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I don't either... What's your point?

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I don't either... What's your point?

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Are you a fiscal conservative too?

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Are you a fiscal conservative too?

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Yes...

Alaska's glaciers grow

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/53884.html

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Alaska's glaciers grow

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/53884.html

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Doesn't matter anymore. Both parties are now members of the CGW.

2008 Atlantic Hurricane Season Withers on the Vine

http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/

http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/nh_bars.jpg

Atlantic Hurricane Season Sets Records

November 26, 2008

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...aneseason.html


"For the first time on record, six consecutive tropical cyclones (Dolly, Edouard, Fay, Gustav, Hanna and Ike) made landfall on the U.S. mainland and a record three major hurricanes (Gustav, Ike and Paloma) struck Cuba. This is also the first Atlantic season to have a major hurricane (Category 3) form in five consecutive months (July: Bertha, August: Gustav, September: Ike, October: Omar, November: Paloma). "

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Atlantic Hurricane Season Sets Records

November 26, 2008

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...aneseason.html


"For the first time on record, six consecutive tropical cyclones (Dolly, Edouard, Fay, Gustav, Hanna and Ike) made landfall on the U.S. mainland and a record three major hurricanes (Gustav, Ike and Paloma) struck Cuba. This is also the first Atlantic season to have a major hurricane (Category 3) form in five consecutive months (July: Bertha, August: Gustav, September: Ike, October: Omar, November: Paloma). "

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It's always something, and this something doesn't belong in a thread about global warming. Here's an interesting quote:

"And that repeat-tracking of storms to the same place — and with it increased likelihood of landfall — is typical of years when the hurricane season is on overdrive, like this year.
The 2008 season was busy largely because of the natural cycles of high and low storm activity that last anywhere from 25 to 40 years.
This one started in 1995. Based on the historical record, we're right in the middle of an active era,"
- Gerry Bell, the top hurricane forecaster at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Climate Prediction Center.

That's from your people, altadawg... NOAA... Even the same guy as quoted in your article.

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It's always something, and this something doesn't belong in a thread about global warming. Here's an interesting quote:

"And that repeat-tracking of storms to the same place — and with it increased likelihood of landfall — is typical of years when the hurricane season is on overdrive, like this year.
The 2008 season was busy largely because of the natural cycles of high and low storm activity that last anywhere from 25 to 40 years.
This one started in 1995. Based on the historical record, we're right in the middle of an active era,"
- Gerry Bell, the top hurricane forecaster at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Climate Prediction Center.

That's from your people, altadawg... NOAA... Even the same guy as quoted in your article.

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Thanks for reading. Goal accomplished.

I started this thread. I will post whatever I like.

The water is too warm. After awhile, even people like you(ignorant? in moral denial?) will see that this is not a cylcle.

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Thanks for reading. Goal accomplished.

I started this thread. I will post whatever I like.

The water is too warm. After awhile, even people like you(ignorant? in moral denial?) will see that this is not a cylcle.

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If I am ignorant, I stand in good company. Specifically Gerry Bell, PhD and the top forecaster at the institution who put out the story you posted.

Do you even realize that? You read, but didn't comprehend, mission NOT accomplished.

Your alarmism is amazing to me. I am a scientist by profession. In this issue, I am interested only in the science. I have never stated that "global warming doesn't exist", that "it is not man made", nor that "it isn't a problem". I can't decide because people are split between alarmists, you, and people who blindly follow Rush Limbaugh. I actually think the alarmists are MUCH, MUCH worse.

BTW - You can post whatever you want to, but the source you posted (Dr. Gerry Bell) has stated (see previous post) that global warming was not a significant factor for this hurricane season. I said it doesn't belong, not that you shouldn't post it. There's a difference, altadawg. You keep posting on "your" thread about the scientific merits of Bill Nye, the Science Guy all you want and on whatever topic you like.

This Thanksgiving we can all be thankful that AGW is going to be given the attention it deserves in the coming years by Congress and the White House.

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This Thanksgiving we can all be thankful that AGW is going to be given the attention it deserves in the coming years by Congress and the White House.

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Yes, let us all give thanks that we have leaders who are more than willing to restrict the freedom of its citizens while not living within those restrictions themselves in order to placate the over-worried masses instead of funding viable research into the matter. Yay America!!!

Global warming is a farce that enriches the few at the expense of the many.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling! (Again)

http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

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The sky is falling! The sky is falling! (Again)

http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

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This is great!

http://www.co2captureproject.org/aboutus.html

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This is great!

http://www.co2captureproject.org/aboutus.html

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yes, if by "great," you mean "expensive" and "useless."

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yes, if by "great," you mean "expensive" and "useless."

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No, by "great" I mean "it's about time" and "glad that the big oil companies are doing something about their carbon pollution."

Want to buy: More global warming please. It's cold today.

Gore has Obama's ear on climate change.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MN2H14L3QN.DTL

President-elect Barack Obama, meeting Tuesday with former Vice President Al Gore, declared "the time for denial is over" on global warming and pledged to retool the U.S. energy grid using new technologies.

While few details emerged from the closed-door meeting, it appears clear that Gore - a politician who once stood virtually alone on the dangers of a warming planet and who later won the Nobel Peace Prize for his activism on the subject - will have the incoming president's ear.

"Throughout the campaign, the president-elect and our founder discussed climate change as a key issue, and the conversation continued today," said Cathy Zoi, chief executive of the Alliance for Climate Protection in Palo Alto, which seeks to persuade Americans of the urgent need to slow the use of fossil fuels.

"They each reaffirmed their commitment to solving the climate crisis as a top priority," she added.

The 45-minute session in Chicago, which Vice President-elect Joe Biden also attended, underscored the incoming administration's focus on the environment and clean energy and on their potential to shore up the faltering economy.

"We have the opportunity now to create jobs all across this country in all 50 states to repower America," Obama said at a news conference after the meeting. "To redesign how we use energy and think about how we are increasing efficiency to make our economy stronger, make us more safe, reduce our dependence on foreign oil."

reducing dependency on foreign oil is more important than phantom "CO2" threats

All of you 'the sky is falling' global warming folks should go to the following URL:http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...0-274616db87e6 and read the very well written article entitled:

UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims
Study: Half of warming due to Sun! –Sea Levels Fail to Rise? - Warming Fears in 'Dustbin of History'

You might find out that the followers of Al Gore are getting fewer and fewer as more is know about the subject. Too bad the Nobel folks were in such a hurry to decide he deserved a medal!!!

TD :cowboy:

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All of you 'the sky is falling' global warming folks should go to the following URL:http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...0-274616db87e6 and read the very well written article entitled:

UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims
Study: Half of warming due to Sun! –Sea Levels Fail to Rise? - Warming Fears in 'Dustbin of History'

You might find out that the followers of Al Gore are getting fewer and fewer as more is know about the subject. Too bad the Nobel folks were in such a hurry to decide he deserved a medal!!!

TD :cowboy:

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I think it is comical HOW LATE Republicans came to join the party. As the evidence has grown against AGW, Republicans are increasingly joining the rank and file of Al Gore's church.

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I think it is comical HOW LATE Republicans came to join the party. As the evidence has grown against AGW, Republicans are increasingly joining the rank and file of Al Gore's church.

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that would be amusing if it were not so annoying.

in other news, it is snowing in friendswood right now -- and sticking to the ground -- before the official start of winter.

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that would be amusing if it were not so annoying.

in other news, it is snowing in friendswood right now -- and sticking to the ground -- before the official start of winter.

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the evidence -- snow on my thriving tropical plants. also in the shot, a little bit of my silver maple that still has a few green leaves left on it.

http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/pictu...7&pictureid=89

Can Al Gore get it to be warm on the 28th?????????? I know he invented the internet, so I assume he can accomplish this tiny feat!!!!

Can someone please rename this thread "Global Disruption Cont.." I think it would be more politically correct.

There is no such thing as global warming...there's just the sound of money sliding into the pockets of the Princes of Doom that purvey this nonsense! Follow the money, people!

King Al Gore has made a tidy sum off this hoax.

NOAA: November Warmer than Average in U.S., January-

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories..._novstats.html


The average November temperature of 44.5 degrees F was 2.0 degrees F above the 20th Century average. Precipitation across the contiguous United States in November averaged 1.93 inches, which is 0.20 inch below the 1901-2000 average.

For the January-November period, the average temperature of 54.9 degrees F was 0.3 degree above the 20th Century average. The nation’s January-November temperature has increased at a rate of 0.12 degrees per decade since 1895, and at a faster rate of 0.41 degrees each decade during the last 50 years. All findings are based on a preliminary analysis of data based on records dating back to 1895.

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NOAA: November Warmer than Average in U.S., January-

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories..._novstats.html


The average November temperature of 44.5 degrees F was 2.0 degrees F above the 20th Century average. Precipitation across the contiguous United States in November averaged 1.93 inches, which is 0.20 inch below the 1901-2000 average.

For the January-November period, the average temperature of 54.9 degrees F was 0.3 degree above the 20th Century average. The nation’s January-November temperature has increased at a rate of 0.12 degrees per decade since 1895, and at a faster rate of 0.41 degrees each decade during the last 50 years. All findings are based on a preliminary analysis of data based on records dating back to 1895.

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this amuses me. why report data for the january-november period? my guess: because the one-year period ending in november was below average. november was warm enough to put the january-november period above average, so they quickly released that information. when this cold december drops 2009 back below average, they probably won't report that.

seriously, every year, even relatively cold ones, is going to have some months above average. that's the nature of an average. usually half of the time is above and half of the time is below.

i also noticed that they're reporting in farenheit instead of the usual celcius. could that be because the number looks so small when you report it in degrees c?

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this amuses me. why report data for the january-november period? my guess: because the one-year period ending in november was below average. november was warm enough to put the january-november period above average, so they quickly released that information. when this cold december drops 2009 back below average, they probably won't report that.

seriously, every year, even relatively cold ones, is going to have some months above average. that's the nature of an average. usually half of the time is above and half of the time is below.

i also noticed that they're reporting in farenheit instead of the usual celcius. could that be because the number looks so small when you report it in degrees c?

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Temperatures in the USA don't really mean that much since AGW is a global event. The main feature of AGW is that the lowest temperatures of the planet are slowly increasing. Hence, the area contained in the Arctic Circle is the part of the planet taking the full brunt of the AGW event. CONUS has not experience much AGW.......yet. BUt unless we act to limit CO2 emissions, we will see more and more "weird" weather in CONUS. The time for denial is over.

http://globalwarming.house.gov/impactzones/arctic

I saw warm up the antarctic and plant some corn!

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I saw warm up the antarctic and plant some corn!

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Yeah, man, and then we can do some deep sea fishing over BR. All those abandon buildings will make perfect breeding grounds for fish.:D

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Yeah, man, and then we can do some deep sea fishing over BR. All those abandon buildings will make perfect breeding grounds for fish.:D

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You fell into my trap. I would love for BR to go bye-bye :icon_razz:

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Gore has Obama's ear on climate change.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MN2H14L3QN.DTL

President-elect Barack Obama, meeting Tuesday with former Vice President Al Gore, declared "the time for denial is over" on global warming and pledged to retool the U.S. energy grid using new technologies.

While few details emerged from the closed-door meeting, it appears clear that Gore - a politician who once stood virtually alone on the dangers of a warming planet and who later won the Nobel Peace Prize for his activism on the subject - will have the incoming president's ear.

"Throughout the campaign, the president-elect and our founder discussed climate change as a key issue, and the conversation continued today," said Cathy Zoi, chief executive of the Alliance for Climate Protection in Palo Alto, which seeks to persuade Americans of the urgent need to slow the use of fossil fuels.

"They each reaffirmed their commitment to solving the climate crisis as a top priority," she added.

The 45-minute session in Chicago, which Vice President-elect Joe Biden also attended, underscored the incoming administration's focus on the environment and clean energy and on their potential to shore up the faltering economy.

"We have the opportunity now to create jobs all across this country in all 50 states to repower America," Obama said at a news conference after the meeting. "To redesign how we use energy and think about how we are increasing efficiency to make our economy stronger, make us more safe, reduce our dependence on foreign oil."

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Two village idiots! Follow the money!

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You fell into my trap. I would love for BR to go bye-bye :icon_razz:

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Yeah, I figured as much.:)

NOAA: Global Temperature for November Fourth Warmest on Record

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...matestats.html

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NOAA: Global Temperature for November Fourth Warmest on Record

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...matestats.html

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That's pretty impressive that they could average the temperature of the whole earth back in 1880.

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That's pretty impressive that they could average the temperature of the whole earth back in 1880.

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Yeah, it is really remarkable. They point an infrared thermometer at a black hole. The infrared beam travels back in time, strikes the earth, and is measured by a sensor when it returns.

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Yeah, it is really remarkable. They point an infrared thermometer at a black hole. The infrared beam travels back in time, strikes the earth, and is measured by a sensor when it returns.

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So? I see stranger things on TV all the time.

As if the Earth has been cooling down since the 1880's.:santa:

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That's pretty impressive that they could average the temperature of the whole earth back in 1880.

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It is pretty impressive. But then again, they are scientists with Phd's.

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It is pretty impressive. But then again, they are scientists with Phd's.

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I know too many PhDs to make a statement like that :-)

Global Warming Last Gasp!

This is in NewswMax so it must be true.

http://www.newsmax.com/brennan/globa...16/162489.html

NewsBusters' associate editor, Noel Sheppard, rounded up comments by top climate experts disproving Borenstein's claims.

"How can this guy call himself a ‘science reporter?’” asked David Deming of the University of Oklahoma. "He is perhaps the worst propagandist in all the media, and that's stating something. In his latest screed, he screams: 'global warming is accelerating.'

“How then does he explain the fact that the mean global temperature [as measured by satellite] is the same as it was in 1980? How can global warming be 'accelerating' when the last two years have seen dramatic cooling? Is this guy totally removed from all reality? He completely ignores any evidence contrary to his personal beliefs, and twists everything to meet his preconceived notions."

Richard S. Courtney, a U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) expert reviewer and a U.K.-based climate and atmospheric science consultant snorted, "Rubbish! Global warming is not 'accelerating.' Global warming has stopped. There has been no statistically significant rise in [mean global temperature or MGT] since 1995 and MGT has fallen since 1998 . . .

"Arctic ice advances and recedes over decades. 2007 saw a minimum in Arctic ice cover in the short period that it has been monitored using satellites. But 2008 saw the most rapid growth in Arctic ice cover in that same period and Arctic ice cover is now back to the average it has had in the period.

“Also, 95 percent of polar ice is in the Antarctic, and Antarctic ice is increasing. Nobody can know if the recent halt to global warming is temporary, permanent, or the start of a new warming or cooling phase. But it is certain that anybody who proclaims that 'Global warming is accelerating' is a liar, a fool, or both."

James A. Peden, atmospheric physicist formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh, wrote, "The Great Global Warming Hoax appears to be a collaborative effort between the world’s incompetent scientists and the world’s scientifically illiterate journalists.

“Science Illiterates like Borenstein are the Chicken Littles of the 21st Century, spreading climate change poppycock like bread crumbs in the forest. The crumbs, hopefully, will lead them to a paycheck at the end of the week from their similarly science-illiterate employers. Well, the lower-I.Q. portion of the population has to eat, too."

This is it folks, global warming is slipping fast. It's down to 2 mins, the planet is behind by 2 TDs. What shall we do?????

I know, convene a meeting in about 50 years to discuss the final days of the Earth. Ah, remember to bring a jacket, it'll be cold.

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..."The Great Global Warming Hoax appears to be a collaborative effort between the world’s incompetent scientists and the world’s scientifically illiterate journalists....

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How about incompetent "ex vice-presidents??? :D :D :D :D

TD :cowboy:

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How about incompetent "ex vice-presidents??? :D :D :D :D

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He's been pretty competent in making millions off this hoax.

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He's been pretty competent in making millions off this hoax.

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You got that right!!! That really frosts my butt! :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

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Scientists Call AP Report on Global Warming 'Hysteria'
Tuesday, December 16, 2008

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468084,00.html

Scientists skeptical of the assertion that climate change is the result of man's activites are criticizing a recent Associated Press report on global warming, calling it "irrational hysteria," "horrifically bad" and "incredibly biased."

They say the report, which was published on Monday, contained sweeping scientific errors and was a one-sided portrayal of a complicated issue.

"If the issues weren't so serious and the ramifications so profound, I would have to laugh at it," said David Deming, a geology professor at the University of Oklahoma who has been critical of media reporting on the climate change issue.

Did y'all see Lou Dobbs (CNN) last night?

Slowly but surely the sensible people, the credible scientists, are being heard.

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You got that right!!! That really frosts my butt! :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

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Don't you mean that the average climate surrounding your butt has been disrupted?

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Don't you mean that the average climate surrounding your butt has been disrupted?

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Yeah, you're probably right. However, I have never been accused of being "Politically Correct" :D :D :D

TD :cowboy:

Looks like there are cracks in the Global Warming scientific community.
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2008122...-mistaken.html

But don't be alarm, it's winter and it's cold outside.

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You got that right!!! That really frosts my butt! :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

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At the risk of Dawg80 red dotting me I have to say I chuckled when I read this in a global warming thread.

Now the Global Warming crowd is using Santa to push their agenda! Have they no shame?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,472164,00.html

Not only that, but it is a Christian book publisher no less.

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Now the Global Warming crowd is using Santa to push their agenda! Have they no shame?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,472164,00.html

Not only that, but it is a Christian book publisher no less.

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Interesting comment.

90% of my family members are Christian and ALL are VERY concerned about Global Warming/Climate change....

Im pretty sure It's okay to be Christian and concerned about the future of the planet; not only humans but every other species and living being on earth, all created by the Grace of God, in my opinion.

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Interesting comment.

90% of my family members are Christian and ALL are VERY concerned about Global Warming/Climate change....

Im pretty sure It's okay to be Christian and concerned about the future of the planet; not only humans but every other species and living being on earth, all created by the Grace of God, in my opinion.

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Are you implying that God did not create the world for us to exploit as we see fit? The point being is why would a Christian publisher put out a book that ties Santa Claus to an anti-growth bandwagon since economy growth and Christianity go hand in hand.

"Pretty sure" is just not good enough for me.

It was cold in December. I will get you guys the global numbers for 2008 as soon as they come out.

With all the cold, Still no below average numbers for a year...and dont expect any soon

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...mberstats.html

NOAA: 2008 Temperature for U.S. Near Average, was Coldest Since 1997; Below Average for December

January 8, 2009

• For 2008, the average temperature of 53.0 degrees F was 0.2 degree above the 20th Century average.

• The nation’s January-December average temperature has increased at a rate of 0.12 degree F per decade since 1895, and at a faster rate of 0.41 degree F per decade during the last 50 years

• The average December 2008 temperature of 32.5 degrees F was 0.9 degree below the 20th Century average.

Yawn.

:shocked2: no below average numbers?! now you're really scaring me!