Presidential Election 2020

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

My friend, it's Mueller case closed and over. Trump will serve his term out in total and be in the Oval Office another 4 years.
And you have been wrong every step of the way.
So there is hope to "Make America Great Again".

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I have been right every step of the way. Hoping that Republicans will prove me wrong and do their job. Otherwise I will continue to be right.

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Originally Posted by DONW

That's what Barr told Congress under oath. FNC has already played it several times today. Mueller's ok unless he gets called before Congress, then he'll have to go back on what he said today, so that means Nadler's not going to call him to testify, but, Lindsey Graham can call him in before the senate.

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Now you can see Barr backpedal. The AG’s official statement yesterday:

“The Attorney General has previously stated that the Special Counsel repeatedly affirmed that he was not saying that, but for the OLC opinion, he would have found the President obstructed justice,” the statement said. “The Special Counsel’s report and his statement today made clear that the office concluded it would not reach a determination – one way or the other – about whether the President committed a crime. There is no conflict between these statements.”

He could have always stated things the way Mueller actually said them but it would have made for MUCH LESS effective spin. You guys were misled, so Barr’s previously chosen words served his and Trump’s designed purpose. You can’t trust people like Barr.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Now you can see Barr backpedal. The AG’s official statement yesterday:

“The Attorney General has previously stated that the Special Counsel repeatedly affirmed that he was not saying that, but for the OLC opinion, he would have found the President obstructed justice,” the statement said. “The Special Counsel’s report and his statement today made clear that the office concluded it would not reach a determination – one way or the other – about whether the President committed a crime. There is no conflict between these statements.”

He could have always stated things the way Mueller actually said them but it would have made for MUCH LESS effective spin. You guys were misled, so Barr’s previously chosen words served his and Trump’s designed purpose. You can’t trust people like Barr.

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Seems like you are seeing what you want to see. The fact that Mueller wants to remain ambiguous doesn't mean Barr didn't ask him point blank the questions he says he asked him. As the quote says, there isn't a conflict between the two statements. If Barr was wrong Mueller should say so. Mueller is working hard to leave the door open for impeachment. We will see if that works out for him.

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Originally Posted by detltu

Seems like you are seeing what you want to see. The fact that Mueller wants to remain ambiguous doesn't mean Barr didn't ask him point blank the questions he says he asked him. As the quote says, there isn't a conflict between the two statements. If Barr was wrong Mueller should say so. Mueller is working hard to leave the door open for impeachment. We will see if that works out for him.

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Mueller is a straight shooter and constrained by his role. No one is saying Barr didn’t ask him the questions. Barr just chose to present the information in a way that was misleading relative to the report. Mueller didn’t make a determination as to whether Trump committed obstruction. It is that simple.

But that SIMPLE explanation makes poor political messaging and doesn’t make Trump happy so instead Barr communicates this part of the report as “he was not saying that, but for the OLC opinion, he would have found the President obstructed justice.” Well, there was a whole lot of things that Mueller “was not saying”, but when Barr phrased it that way he was expecting those that want to excuse the President would interpret Barr’s statement to mean that “Mueller said that the OLC opinion is not what decided the issue of obstruction” (implying that he had other reasons not to find obstruction).

Even to this day, some folks think Mueller must be lying because they can’t reconcile Barr and Mueller’s statements. That is because Barr was deliberately misleading. The two statements don’t literally contradict each other, but the only way they don’t is if you acknowledge the misleading nature of Barr’s characterization.

Mueller’s report leaves no room for ambiguity. He believed he had no authority to charge a sitting president, so he made no determination. Plain as day in the report. Plain as day in Mueller’s comments yesterday. Barr is the only person trying to introduce ambiguity.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Mueller’s report leaves no room for ambiguity. He believed he had no authority to charge a sitting president, so he made no determination. Plain as day in the report. Plain as day in Mueller’s comments yesterday. Barr is the only person trying to introduce ambiguity.

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Then this investigation and report should have never been done. And definitely stopped over a year ago and/or he should have told the public this "fact". Surely the Dems and GOP knew he couldn't charge a sitting President. So why were the crazy libs and their lawyers and media continuing saying Mueller was going to convict Trump and put him in jail etc...? What a joke.

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

Then this investigation and report should have never been done. And definitely stopped over a year ago and/or he should have told the public this "fact". Surely the Dems and GOP knew he couldn't charge a sitting President. So why were the crazy libs and their lawyers and media continuing saying Mueller was going to convict Trump and put him in jail etc...? What a joke.

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He explained why the report was done, which you would know if you read it.

America needed this information. Now we have it even if you want to bury your head in the sand and ignore it.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Mueller is a straight shooter and constrained by his role. No one is saying Barr didn’t ask him the questions. Barr just chose to present the information in a way that was misleading relative to the report. Mueller didn’t make a determination as to whether Trump committed obstruction. It is that simple.

But that SIMPLE explanation makes poor political messaging and doesn’t make Trump happy so instead Barr communicates this part of the report as “he was not saying that, but for the OLC opinion, he would have found the President obstructed justice.” Well, there was a whole lot of things that Mueller “was not saying”, but when Barr phrased it that way he was expecting those that want to excuse the President would interpret Barr’s statement to mean that “Mueller said that the OLC opinion is not what decided the issue of obstruction” (implying that he had other reasons not to find obstruction).

Even to this day, some folks think Mueller must be lying because they can’t reconcile Barr and Mueller’s statements. That is because Barr was deliberately misleading. The two statements don’t literally contradict each other, but the only way they don’t is if you acknowledge the misleading nature of Barr’s characterization.

Mueller’s report leaves no room for ambiguity. He believed he had no authority to charge a sitting president, so he made no determination. Plain as day in the report. Plain as day in Mueller’s comments yesterday. Barr is the only person trying to introduce ambiguity.

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That's not true and you should know that.

Just posted on other thread...work of fiction.

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Originally Posted by detltu

That's not true and you should know that.

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No, at this point, you should know that what I am telling you and have been telling you has been and is 100 percent facts, Jack.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

No, at this point, you should know that what I am telling you and have been telling you has been and is 100 percent facts, Jack.

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No, it's bullshit.

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Originally Posted by brtransplant

No, it's bullshit.

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Your opinion is ignorant.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

No, at this point, you should know that what I am telling you and have been telling you has been and is 100 percent facts, Jack.

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LOL. You are seeing what you want to see. You are committed to your world vision, I will give you that.

I wonder if the Clintons, DNC, Obama and the Deep State will again commit collusion and obstruction during the 2020 Presidential Election?

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

I wonder if the Clintons, DNC, Obama and the Deep State will again commit collusion and obstruction during the 2020 Presidential Election?

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Trump sure hasn’t been interested in doing anything to stop the Russians from doing it again. He still won’t even acknowledge they did the first time.

I know! Me and 100 million other voters are counting on the Russians causing us to vote for Trump again. We wouldn't vote for Trump on our own volition, we need the Ruskies to make us do it. :icon_roll: