President Trump

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

CNN had one of the WaPo reporters on their to talk about their anonymous sources. He talked about how they don't just use any sources but those that are of the position that would have the knowledge and that they corroborate the "anonymous" accounts with other credible evidence.

He also commented that his sources are not politically motivated to damage Trump - they are much more similar to whistleblowers that they have witnessed things that are inappropriate and won't be brought to light without them disclosing it.

These people are risking their livelihood, and in some cases jail time to make sure that the truth is known.

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And again I ask where were these people the past 8 years? How come they are now so concerned? They didn't care then, why now?


Also, if all they want is to be whistlebloweres, there is a hotline for that for them to use, especially if they have TS clearances.

Trump right again!! And he just told the Islamic/Muslim world on their own stage and in their own backyard!! And he just got 50 Islamic nations on his side that signed an accord to help stomp this out! Of course you libs missed the real news of the week.




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Originally Posted by JuBru

Judaism has many different sects that follow different paths just like Christians are split among Roman Catholics, Episcopalians, Baptist, Methodist, etc. .

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Interesting. What are some of the different sects and how do they differ on the central tenets of Judaism? Why do so many not believe the Jewish Homeland is important to their faith?

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Originally Posted by JuBru

And again I ask where were these people the past 8 years? How come they are now so concerned? They didn't care then, why now?


Also, if all they want is to be whistlebloweres, there is a hotline for that for them to use, especially if they have TS clearances.

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That is part of the point. The level of mistrust is off the charts with this administration relative to the ones in the past because or POTUS has major problems, particularly when it comes to his ethics and his impulse control.

Lol at your hotline - so they are going to report it down the line so that it could only eventually come back to themselves.

They are using the media as a check on a POTUS that refuses to control his own behavior and administration.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Do you think either one of them is a patriot based on their actions? How about those who served under them or with them? Eric Holder, Susan Rice, Loretta Lynch...the list is long and the media continues to ignore their acts of treason.

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Yates, Mueller, and Comey. They have been plenty of people with high integrity in high positions serving under Obama. Let's not pretend that everyone was just a political crony.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Interesting. What are some of the different sects and how do they differ on the central tenets of Judaism? Why do so many not believe the Jewish Homeland is important to their faith?

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Judaism is interesting in that it goes across religious and ethnic lines. According to many Jewish people, it´s considered both an ethnicity and a religion. Judaism doesn't have proselytization as a significant part of its religion unlike Islam or Christianity. Because of this, Jewish people have theoretically been the same ethnic group since their founding; they haven´t brought in outsiders. So they think they are their own historic ethnicity. But of course there is also the religious aspect of Judaism and so these two aspects play a part.

Many Jewish people are Jewish by ethnicity they say but aren't religious. Similar to how many people claim to be Christian on forms but don´t attend church nor follow Christian scripture but celebrate Christmas and go to church for Easter. These Jewish people will probably celebrate Hannakuh and have a bar/bat mitzvah but publicly no one would know they were Jewish. They keep the traditions because its part of their identity. I grew up with Jewish friends like this, you would never know they are Jewish until you go to their house. To these people the Jewish Homeland is Israel, but they view it first as a secular government run by their fellow Jewish people. They can view Israel in a secular manner.

On the opposite end there is Ultra-Orthodox Judaism. To summarize them, they don´t believe in a secular life. Everything must revolve around their religious life, which has created lots of push-back from secular communities in Israel and the United States. Ultra-Orthodox communities tend to section themselves off and try to make local governments conform to their beliefs. Many so called ¨no go zones¨ that are mentioned to exist in Paris because of Muslims, similarly exist also in Ultra-Orthodox communities of the US and Israel as they don´t want outsiders tempting them with secular life. Men and women must dress conservatively and strict adherence to Torah law must be followed at all times. A great podcast I listened to years ago explained the problems an Ultra-Orthodox community created with the local school board in New York state. It´s an hour long but extremely interesting to hear what happened and how the Ultra-Orthodox took over a local school board and caused problems between the communities.

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/534/a-not-so-simple-majority



Between the Ultra-Orthodox and the secular Jews, there´s a wide variety in how much they follow Jewish laws and how it affects their lives.

^A person can only be a Jew if their mother was a Jew. Very simple. Also, Judaism has been heavily influenced by Babylonian religions. So, yes, it is an ethnic religion.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Yates, Mueller, and Comey. They have been plenty of people with high integrity in high positions serving under Obama. Let's not pretend that everyone was just a political crony.

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1 out of 3 ain't bad I guess.

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Originally Posted by detltu

1 out of 3 ain't bad I guess.

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All 3 are high integrity people.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Will be the first time Trump talks about Islam as an enabler for peace. Should be interesting.

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Yes, it was interesting.

Obama and many of the socialist democrats heads were exploding.

Gotta love when the Jews put our former USA and Israel hating president in his place.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

All 3 are high integrity people.

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LOL!

Wow, you really have veered off to the extreme left. I've noticed you consistently repeating their talking points.

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Originally Posted by glm47

LOL!

Wow, you really have veered off to the extreme left. I've noticed you consistently repeating their talking points.

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You are deluded if you disagree. They may have all done things you disagree with, but their integrity is unimpeachable.

There was the whole episode where Mueller and Comey threatened to resign over Bush's highly illegal surveillance program.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bos...DcksI/amp.html

Of course Yates was fired for refusing to argue in favor of a patently unconstitutional Muslim ban. Her reputation as a fighter of corruption was well known while she was the AG.

Sacrificing your own self interest for doing what you believe is the right thing to do is the only evidence one can ever positively demonstrate to show a character of integrity and all 3 of these people have done it multiple times.

These folks might have poor reputations in certain right wing echo chambers, but you have lost your mind if you think they sacrifice their values for expediency.

And I should add that sometimes they do that to a fault. For example, Comey brought the Hillary investigation out at a time that was bound to impact the election and thus the country. There can be no doubt that he did that because he placed his reputation for integrity on too high of a pedestal in this instance, because he did not fairly balance the best interest of the country - not that he was in a position to do that. But had Hillary won, as 99% of the people expected at the time he brought the investigation to light, he would have looked bad - like he sat on information that the public should have known. In retrospect it was a mistake, but he tried "doing the right thing" to a fault in this case.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

You are deluded if you disagree. They may have all done things you disagree with, but their integrity is unimpeachable.

There was the whole episode where Mueller and Comey threatened to resign over Bush's highly illegal surveillance program.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bos...DcksI/amp.html

Of course Yates was fired for refusing to argue in favor of a patently unconstitutional Muslim ban. Her reputation as a fighter of corruption was well known while she was the AG.

Sacrificing your own self interest for doing what you believe is the right thing to do is the only evidence one can ever positively demonstrate to show a character of integrity and all 3 of these people have done it multiple times.

These folks might have poor reputations in certain right wing echo chambers, but you have lost your mind if you think they sacrifice their values for expediency.

And I should add that sometimes they do that to a fault. For example, Comey brought the Hillary investigation out at a time that was bound to impact the election and thus the country. There can be no doubt that he did that because he placed his reputation for integrity on too high of a pedestal in this instance, because he did not fairly balance the best interest of the country - not that he was in a position to do that. But had Hillary won, as 99% of the people expected at the time he brought the investigation to light, he would have looked bad - like he sat on information that the public should have known. In retrospect it was a mistake, but he tried "doing the right thing" to a fault in this case.

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If you consider yourself unbiased, you should take a hard look at this response. Your politics are showing.

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Originally Posted by detltu

If you consider yourself unbiased, you should take a hard look at this response. Your politics are showing.

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Just calling it as I see it. These people have been around for awhile. And I am independent - was fiercely critical of Obama.

There are people on both sides of the aisle that have integrity - and I can see that even when I disagree with their policy or advocacy.

I just heard where Brennan got his Russian conspiracy on Trump. He heard Trump ask the Russians last year to find those 30,000 missing emails that Hillary wiped from her computer.:laugh:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNa2B5zHfbQ