Yep. Although FPC is spot on with his reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
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Yep. Although FPC is spot on with his reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Nobody cares and it's not corruption, collision, conspiracy or obstruction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The corruption, collision, conspiracy and obstruction is on the Hillary/Obama/DNC/socialist liberals progressive and "Deep State" side.
Know it was a typo....but I like it: "collision"Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Speaks to what is about to happen to the Deep State. They are in a Peel P50 (the world's smallest car) and the good guys are in a MACK TRUCK. This collision won't be pretty for them.
It will be a sad day when no one cares why the President is lying.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
You libs didn't care when Slick Willy lied. You didn't care when obummer lied. And you certainly didn't/don't care when Krooked Killary lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
But I guess that lying is okay and is not a sad day, eh.
So you are admitting that Trump lied?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
No, I don't know if he lied.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I know this is hard for you to keep up...but try.
I KNOW, no, WE ALL KNOW all the 'craps I named lied. And nary a peep of concern for that being a sad day.
Why is Guiliani about a “perjury trap” if Trump tells the truth? I mean, if you just answer things honestly, where is the trap?
Well, I’m not a lib, but impeachment seems like more than a peep.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
That's been explained. But, that's right, you only watch the FAKE news networks, so you wouldn't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
And, it was only a "sad day" because Slick Willy was being impeached, not because he committed perjury. And just generally lied.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
All the MSM needs is words coming from Trump to twist it whichever way they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
It is hard to tell when you guys are joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
People in Trump’s orbit... Manafort, Pruitt, Collins, Cohen, Flynn. Swampy?
All presidents lie. They're only human. Now perjury is a different story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Possibly the more we learn...yes. But those few against the hundreds of swampy Dems makes you look silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
You are the lawyer here and know the answer to that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
BTW, "Do you still beat your wife?".
Never have.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
There is no trap if the witness is perfectly honest.
Everyone knows Trump is far from that.
That's because his wife beats up goosey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
No trap if the witness is perfectly honest? Okay. Then why do we have an automatic waiting period before executions are carried out in capital murder cases? Once the jury returns a verdict of guilty, the defendant should be marched straight to the electric chair. Doesn't matter that in some cases, the witness was perfectly honest or not, the truly innocent defendant said "I did not kill that dude." He was "perfectly honest." But still fried in the chair.
Oh! that's right that NEVER happens, excuse me. No innocent person has EVER been convicted of ANY crime in the entire history of our 100% flawless justice system. BS!
Furthermore, no innocent person, knowing full well the truth of our very flawed justice system has ever opted to accept a lesser charge instead of risking being convicted by a very flawed system.
Geez dude....you turned out to be a huge disappointment.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Why should he (answer things)?? You bad guys have got NOTHING! Trump should just ignore the whole silliness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Well, when a statement is made that no one cared when Clinton lied, that’s clearly BS. If truth disappoints you, then I don’t know what to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
You don't have to say anything. Simply put, you are integrity challenged.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Mueller can not interrogate Trump unless he can show that he broke any laws. That's not my opinion, that's what Alan Dershowitz and several more lawyers have said.
https://www.vox.com/2018/3/15/169974...p-russia-probeQuote:
Originally Posted by DONW
For actual analysis by some other attorneys and legal experts.
Have you been living under a rock?Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Because I didn’t care about Clinton lying? BS. I did and do. Because I never called Obama out? You can check the record right here on BBB. Same with Clinton.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
You need to get a clue before you question my integrity while vehemently defending a guy who’s caught in a lie every other day.
Cared that Klinton lied? True, we good Americans did. But libtards, the lamestream media, and by in-action, the RINOs didn't. Klinton was defended in his lying. He lied about having an affair with an intern. That's what was said. And, it's understandable he would lie about something like that. And, because of the influence of the media, and the general lack of attention of the great unwashed masses who are more interested in popular culture, Klinton was cast as the victim.
And Trump is caught in a lie every other day? So, what is his lie today, or yesterday, since it's every other day? Ready....go!
http://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Just more anti-Trump BS propaganda. I didn't read all 2,200+ posted BS comments, but did pick out a few, and Trump was right. This Star obviously gets its "facts" from a Steele Dossier.
Any good lawyer will tell you to never talk to the FBI whether you are innocent or not. All they need is an inconsistency on something casual and you are screwed. Trump is the perfect person to catch in this because he bloviates and exaggerates and doesn't stick to the script. Giuliani is not much if any better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The FBI abuses their power constantly with their perjury traps. They can lie to you all they want, but the moment you contradict yourself or misremember a detail they have you by the balls. Doesn't even mater if it was a material slip up or not, they have you and there is very little you can do to fight it.
Yeah, Vox is such a worthy news organization. They even support MS-13, a gang of multi-talented rapists and killers. They don't like to shoot you, they like to torture you before you die. Here's a commercial VOX made supporting them. https://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/08...m_campaign=DMSQuote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Of you could just go directly to the source.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...migrants-crime
GOP: MSM is fake news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Rational humans: Here's a non-MSM outlet with a similar story.
GOP: Well that's not a real media outlet.
Come on man, open your eyes. A non-MSM outlet with a similar story would prove nothing, as there is no real news media in the US anymore. They're all nothing more than opinion, all the time. USA Today, the New York Times, The Washington Post, CBS, ABC, NBC, and CNN all espouse the opinions that you and other liberals support. FOX, for the most part, espouses the fews of the conservative right. The American news media today is no better than the old Soviet news agency TASS used to be. Watching any of it is a total waste of time and it should insult your intelligence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
I still don't understand criticism of FOX. Give me an example of some "news" item of importance, of national interest, of a national scope FOX did not report.
There are many examples of such neglect in the lamestream media. Which is why they are fake news. They are nothing but spin-meisters on behalf of libtards.
But, FOX reports everything. Every day they report, in detail, what's going on in the Mueller Witch Hunt. Every day they have libtard guests who attempt to defend what libtards think is happening too. But, any "opinion" aspects aside...which yes, FOX's line-up does express conservative, good American viewpoints...they do NOT selectively leave out parts of the news. Heck, they even show clips from the fake news' networks and what they are saying (lying about).
FoxNews is the propaganda arm for the Trump administration. Their lineup and content is geared to play to his ego and help him avoid accountability. Because so many people would rather listen to opinions that confirm their biases, FoxNews is nearly single handedly maintaining Trump’s base. They have a codependent relationship. Once Trump became the nominee, FoxNews decided they were going to go all in on Trump.
So, where can one go today to find news? Not 3 seconds of news with 3 minutes of conjecture. Real news. Just reports of what did happen, not why the reporter or show host thinks it happened. I want to know what happened and be left to reach my own conclusion.
Fox News is not all conservative. They always have liberals on to give their view on just about every show. Shepherd Smith has a show on at 2 and he's just as liberal as any on MSNBC and CNN. Neil Cavuto comes on at 3 and he has been very critical of Trump. MSNBC and CNN have no conservatives on that are host, and very few that ever come on as contributors. There is very little news coming out of MSNBC and CNN. No matter what the big news item is on the day, you can turn on MSNBC or CNN and they are always talking about impeaching Trump. They're the Maxine Waters of cable news.
Just because Shep Smith and Cavuto express moderate points of view from time to time and have criticized Trump doesn’t not make them liberal.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
You clearly spend so much time at the extreme right that you can’t really see the center.
And the payoff is already coming for News Corp. Thanks to their loyalty to the President, he caused the blocking of the Tribune-Sinclair merger, which will make it much easier for Murdoch to expand his empire and acquire more small outlets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Shep Smith isn't moderate. He's a flaming lib.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Flaming being the key word.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Several FOX contributors are liberal and/or RINOs.
He's blatantly biased toward the leftist agenda, no doubt. FOX may balance it out with conservative bias, but it's still all opinion, all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
What do you Republicans think about the “Unite the Right” Trump supporters?
I can't remember what Smith said but I remember him saying something so crazy that I told my wife he would probably get fired over it. The next day he came out and said he was gay. Him admitting he was gay most likely kept him from getting fired and he knew that. He's as far left as guisslap, but, he probably doesn't hate the President as much as guisslap does.
What do you think about the Fascist antifa people attacking people in restaurants, movie theaters, and even in their homes and destroying property. I'm going to get me a MAGA cap to see if they'll attack me. Us old farts need something to get us excited occasionally. The "right' showed we were united in the last presidential election and we'll do it again in 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
What do you think about the Fascist antifa people attacking people in restaurants, movie theaters, and even in their homes and destroying property. I'm going to get me a MAGA cap to see if they'll attack me. Us old farts need something to get us excited occasionally. The "right' showed we were united in the last presidential election and we'll do it again in 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
They're nothing more than CAPITALISM all the time. They each have a product, they each know their market, and they sell it.Quote:
Originally Posted by brtransplant
But they have no obligation to provide "real news" any more than Apple owes us all an iPhone.
antifa speaks for the left in the roughly same way the klan represents the rightQuote:
Originally Posted by DONW
Except the drive by guys are quick to Lump all Conservatives in with the "Alt Right" while they defend the actions of antifa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
Back to the subject of this thread....President Trump.
Some poll numbers recently, like maybe today, show 57% think race relations have gotten worse under Trump. obummer's high water mark in that metric was 37%. The numbers were quoted on FOX by an anchor, and no source cited, or if she did, I missed it. I suppose our liberal-leaning friends (who until recently I might have referred to as "libtards") will say....you saw that on FOX? Must mean the real number is above 90%.
It all stems from his rhetoric, not his actions. I won't list his accomplishments, because most of us here know them....even those reluctant to give him credit. It's his tweeting and his mouth. And while he is right....or at least, not wrong...on some of the issues, it's a losing proposition to even "go there." The lamestream media and the popular entertainment culture, which includes Jimmy Kimmel and that bunch....BRING BACK JAY LENO!!…. have the ear of many people, and they spin anything Trump says into a racist comment, even when it isn't. This reflects in those recent poll numbers.
And, BTW, I am taking the numbers in that poll at face value. I don't even know the source.
Yep. Trump has been his own worst enemy his entire time in office. Perhaps he’s just maintaining election mode until 2020. Who knows? The only thing his mouth may have accomplished is keeping the DNC in stupor it’s been in since 10/2016.
He has accomplished more than any of your RINO guys would have dared to even attempt. Islam (ISIL) is more important to RINOs than Israel. Actually, Islam (ISIL) is more important to most American Jews than Israel.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
You’re changing the subject. None of that requires asinine tweets and foolish behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Imagine what he could accomplish if he could just keep his mouth shut for a week or so.
Like I said, he’s his own worst enemy.
I hope they're successful. If we can maintain control of the house in November, 2020 should be a breeze. Antifa idiots bringing violence to otherwise peaceful demonstrations will only help the conservative cause, as well as bring about quite a few ass whippings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
So you are sympathetic to White Nationalists or do you just tolerate them because they support your team?Quote:
Originally Posted by brtransplant
How's that little socialism thingy working out for ya? :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
....except that their are thousands of people in Antifa, while the KKK has about 23 members nationwide. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
From the mouths of babes. Look in the mirror.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I support free speech for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The non responsiveness of your answer to my question says everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by brtransplant
Republicans used to take the moral ground. Now that they have virtually ceded the moral side to the liberals, they argue legalisms. White Nationalists may have free speech under the law, but what they say should be repudatied. Both can be true. By the way, Trump has no problem repudiating speech and name calling when people speak out against them. Directly and timely repudiating hate speech directly is low hanging fruit...except for the fact that White Nationalists are part of his base.
I suppose it's possible that holding Trump to the same standard I held Obama to could be detrimental to me in some way, but I sleep like a baby.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Ceded the moral side to the liberals? What a frikkin' joke, but that's your opinion, and you're certainly free to express it. Though liberals like you typically think their opinion is the only opinion worthy of consideration by anyone, that doesn't make it so. I think that you're simply a know it all that couldn't find you rear end with both hands. You've been totally brainwashed by the corrupt establishment. You're opinion is still just an opinion, and it's no more right than the opinions of the people you so despise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
You guys recognize that Guiss is no liberal, right? His libertarian credentials have been pretty well established here. Yall know the difference between a liberal and a libertarian, yes?
In any case …
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Originally Posted by brtransplant
Neutrality and objectivity are not the same thing.
Let's say you believe the sky is green. I can be neutral and respect your position as valid and equal to my own. Or I can be objective, and view your statement through what I know is correct … I'll arrive at the conclusion that your opinion, however entitled you are to it, is just wrong.
I'm very aware of what objectivity is. I'm a realist that tries to look at everything objectively. That's something Trump haters seem to have a total inability to do with anything about President Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
Looks like they forgot to show up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The Liberals and Libertarians were so hoping for some violence from the racist Trump supporters. It's almost always the groups they support like BLM and Antifa who loot and riot.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
Correction to your statement: it is not "almost always." It is ALWAYS the leftist groups that engage in violence and vandalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
There was that one individual, that idiot from Ohio, who drove his car into that crowd and killed that young woman last year. I am NOT excusing his stupid actions, but he was provoked and was reacting to being victimized by the violence of that leftist group that day. Still, he's a moron and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
There will be individuals who do stupid, unlawful things, but as organizations it is ALWAYS the leftists who engage in violence, which is planned from the start.
And there's where I think the underlying problem is. Everybody seems to really believe, in their hearts, that they are each being an objective realist.Quote:
Originally Posted by brtransplant
For the record, while I remain opposed to many of his policy decisions, I dont "hate" the President. God help me if I ever hate anyone.
Correction to your statement: it is not "almost always." It is ALWAYS the leftist groups that engage in violence and vandalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
There was that one individual, that idiot from Ohio, who drove his car into that crowd and killed that young woman last year. I am NOT excusing his stupid actions, but he was provoked and was reacting to being victimized by the violence of that leftist group that day. Still, he's a moron and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
There will be individuals who do stupid, unlawful things, but as organizations it is ALWAYS the leftists who engage in violence, which is planned from the start.
Which policy decisions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
That could be a long list. Here's a shorter one:Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
I generally support the idea of Space Force. I also think the decision to block the Broadcom takeover of Qualcomm was for the best.
That's … about it.
Not sure if they were disappointed but you are coming across that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
So you like paying high taxes...you can voluntarily do that and leave the rest of us alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
You support open borders and MS-13 gangsters...invite some of those "good" MS-13ers to your house. If you are able...i.e. still alive....let us know how that works out.
You like the rest of the world stealing American jobs and taking advantage of us via unfair trade practices.
You support a weak military...sans the proposed space force you say you do support.
You support socialized health care...instead of a market-based system.
You support the "Deep State" whereby politicians, from both major parties, keep DC as their personal piggy bank, at taxpayer expense.
You support the global warming hoax, designed to redistribute wealth and hamstring the US and some other western allies.
And there are more....
I dont "like" it. But I'm willing to pay for the priviledge of living in the most advanced nation in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Generally yes, to a point.Quote:
You support open borders
logical fallacy -- straw manQuote:
and MS-13 gangsters...invite some of those "good" MS-13ers to your house. If you are able...i.e. still alive....let us know how that works out.
Quote:
You like the rest of the world stealing American jobs and taking advantage of us via unfair trade practices
logical fallacy -- false choice
Logical fallacy -- false choice.Quote:
You support a weak military...sans the proposed space force you say you do support.
Generally yes. I dont think healthcare is best served by a free market.Quote:
You support socialized health care...instead of a market-based system.
logical fallacy -- straw manQuote:
You support the "Deep State" whereby politicians, from both major parties, keep DC as their personal piggy bank, at taxpayer expense.
We have an obligation to act as responsible stewards of our environment.Quote:
You support the global warming hoax,
logical fallacy -- straw manQuote:
designed to redistribute wealth and hamstring the US and some other western allies.
On the whole, though, these are all complex issues. Each with its own nuances and gray areas. None of them should be quickly divided into for/against categories. Rather, they each present a continuum of possible positions. False dichotomies, scare tactics, slippery slopes, and ad hominem arguments dont really help anything. (But of course, that's about 98% of the Paw-litics Forum.)
So you are saying you would support a racist Nationalistic President if he were able to privatize state industries, improve economic independence through tariffs on imports, and increase real wages by 10.9%? That would outweigh all the negatives associated with his racist and autocratic tendencies?
You are right. It's better to have a racist Obama in place who does NOTHING good for 8 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I agree, as any decent person would.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Your definition of decency is bigger government, open borders, higher taxes, horrible health care, doing away with the 2nd amendment, and more hate toward Christianity and Israel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Yep, that is decent.
Only Nazis and their sympathizers would disagree with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Well, Hitler's Nazis didn't like the commies...so, yeah those Nazis would disagree with you...comrade. But, there are actually good people who disagree with you too. No one, but another commie, likes commies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Well, I wasn’t describing Trump. He hasn’t caused 10.9% real wage growth.
And who might that be? And please, don't say it was obummer. That'd be a lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
As for the current situation, wages have been slow to respond to a booming economy. Last stat I saw was a 2.7% increase the last quarter. Or, that might be YTD. It's understandable though. For 8 years of the worst prez in history American businesses had to operate lean and mean just to survive a sagging economy. They got used to a lean operating budget and are trying to extend that into a booming economy so as to make-up for 8 years of lost profits and gains. I'm doing exactly the same thing. In fact, I have gotten even leaner.
But, already I am seeing, as are all American businesses, that employees have choices...for the first time in about 10 years, workers are not beholden to their current employer, afraid to look elsewhere. And, because of this, wages/salaries will increase as competition to get/keep better employees becomes more pronounced. Ironically, the speed of this increase is dependent on workers. If workers are stuck in the past 10-year mindset of "I better not rock the boat, just be happy I have a job, and stay put." then wage increases will be slower. This is the market! As those of us who actually know about economics, the free market is a scoreboard measuring current activity. As such, it does not drive anything, but measures it. That means, in the case of the market of wages, it's up to the principals to drive it...workers. In a FREE market, they have the power to do so.
I know wages will trend up....just as long as we, the USA, stay the course. But, turn control over to the socialists, and all bets are off.
I was describing Hitler. Policy does not trump the dark ideology of a leader. Constantly amazed by all the ways Trump mimics Hitler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
You have over dosed on CNN, MSNBC, and the other left wing propaganda factories. Those are the ones that most resemble Fascism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
My thoughts on the matter are original but I wouldn’t be surprised if others have thought the same. I pulled those facts about Hitler right off of his Wikipedia page.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
ME? No of course not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
But I was focusing on my reservations about his policy positions. His personal shortcomings are a deal-breaker all on their own.
(To reiterate -- that does not mean I "hate" the man.)
What caused you to research Hitler suddenly? Hitler is the extreme put down since you and yours way over played the stale old race card. Double standards continue to amaze me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
What interests me most about Hitler is how he convinced so many Germans to support and enable him. The parallels to Trump are very strong. He was able to deliver economic improvements (like wage increases) and there is no doubt that such appeal to economic results allowed some to look past his racist and autocratic tendencies.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Again, your people are the ones with racist tendencies who vote like sheep. Individualism is not in your socialist agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Nazis disarmed who they considered enemies of the state (Jews) which is much closer to what your people would like to do to conservative gun owners. Nazis also hated and killed Jews which follows your people much closer than conservative Christians (who you consider beneath you)
Interesting that you mention an autocratic leader labeling a group “an enemy of the state”. Where have I heard that recently?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
You gotta change hearts and minds before you can actually single people out for persecution, you know?
Drawing parallels to Hitler is not some new idea. People did it with Obama all the time. I was in England in 2000 and saw people on the street protesting the US. They had pictures of Clinton and Bush with the Nazi uniform and Hitler mustache.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I think " he's been good for the economy and seems racist" is probably one of the weaker connections I have seen. It probably fits Obama and Bush just as well minus the good for the economy part.
What was the Obama parallel?Quote:
Originally Posted by detltu
I didn’t make the connection to good economy, BTW. MAGA nationalism is right out of Hitler’s playbook. So is labeling ethnic and religious minorities as inferior or something to fear. So is protectionism.
The cultural aspects to Trump’s ascendancy to power is remarkably similar to Hitler’s. Hitler could not have convinced ordinary Germans to become enablers of his racism and authoritariansism if he didn’t deliver the improvement in wages and economic opportunity that he did.
As you know, he hated Jews and worked on getting guns away from them first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I missed that part of his presidency.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
I don't remember the specifics because I recognize those things as BS, but I remember mentions of gun control, brownshirts, and maybe some class warfare issues being mentioned. I did a quick search and most articles talked about Obama comparing Trump to Hitler, but here was one website that popped out:Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
https://apholt.com/2017/01/12/everyb...er-these-days/